woodzchick Forum Posts (2,006)

RE: Respecting Women...

I think if it comes down to the laying of hands on either a male or female, that it's time for the relationship to end or take a really long break. Nobody should be driving you to want to beat the hell out of them. This goes for people not in a relationship, too. You don't need to be around someone if you feel the need to hurt them.

RE: Goodbye everyone

Well, you've given me an idea now....

RE: Goodbye everyone

I do it from time to time myself. Well, when CS begins to engulf the rest of my life. I take a break, then come back.....and don't know anybody. That's why I hate to see familiar faces going. People that write good posts too.

RE: Goodbye everyone

Don't you even think of it!

RE: Goodbye everyone

AHHHHHH!!!! another one of my buddies! Good to see you, too. Tell the rest of these chaps to stick around and shoot the breeze with us.

RE: Goodbye everyone

Just where do all you ladies think you are going? You guys just hide your profile for a little while then get on back here. The forums need you!

RE: Dumb State Troopers

I think it would do everybody good to do a ride-along with an officer for 8 hours. You learn so much. They can't do this for obvious reasons, but it sure opened my eyes after doing a few.

I used to didn't wear my seat belt. I used to speed a few miles over the speed limit. I got soooo lucky quite a few times. I am now very conscious of how I'm driving when on the road. I strictly observe the speed limit. I always wear my seat belt. I am a very aware driver now after watching and observing while on ride-alongs. It was the best thing that could of happened to me.

You have nothing to fear of the police if you are abiding by the law. Don't tense up when they are around or behind you. I tell my son this all the time.

If one approaches you, behave yourself and don't get an attitude, don't move, don't talk unless you are spoken to. Don't do anything to make them leary of you. Keep your hands on the steering wheel, and like I said, I don't care what kind of attitude they may get with you, only talk when spoken to and answer the question briefly and to the point.....answering their question.

If they have taken your license and insurance card you are under their hold until they hand you the license and card back. Once they hand it back....move on....you don't have to answer anymore questions. The stop has ended.

This is something else I was thinking about earlier......the op said that he had already gave her her license back, yet the officer stepped around and opened the glove box to insert her insurance card. I just don't think he had the right to do this. The stop had ended and he was not conducting a search. If he was going to search her car he would of probably had her step out and did a quick pat-down search if he was so worried about her having weapons.

I really feel that her rights were violated in a sense here. I could be wrong. Do I think it would get her out of the ticket....no, probably not. The ticket happened before the fact of the search in the glove box, therefore I don't think the "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine would of applied here.

But, her calling in and reporting this to his superior goes down on his record and could be a potential red flag for further situations.

Hey....people....do the speed limit!!!

RE: Dumb State Troopers

Rohaan, I understand what you are saying, but NO.....not all the time does this happen.

I sat in court one morning and two cases went before a judge where the officer's conduct was in question and the officers got their ego hurt.

One case was when an officer gave a man a ticket for drunk in public when he was standing in his front door way. Now, the laws are different in every state, but in our state if you are in your front yard and drunk.....it's considered drunk in public and they can take you to jail.

The man (the one charged) had called the sheriff's office complaining about his daughter....he wanted her took off to a juvenile home. The girl had done nothing wrong for the officer to carry through with this. He kept explaining this to the father, who was drunk and carrying on in his home. The father got very smart with the officer and finally the officer left the home. There was nothing else he could do. The officer had to drive down to the end of the road and turn around to get out. On his way back up the road he saw the man standing in his doorway waving at the officer in a sarcastically way. The officer got mad, stopped, and arrested the man for drunk in public. The judge threw it out. Even though the man was in his doorway drunk, he was still in his home, not on the porch. The judge's reply was that he like to drink when watching his ball games. Occasionally he would go look out his door. He asked the officer would he come arrest him, too.

Another case in court that morning was considering a man that was arrested for drugs in his car. The officer used the fact that one of the man's lights were out in his tail light to pull him over so that he could investigate further.

The tail light had multiple lights and only one little light was out. The judge recessed to investigate the laws further. If the case was thrown out because the stop, then the drug offense was gone to.....fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine. I don't know what the outcome of the case was, but the judge took it very seriously and it was looking to be in the favor of the driver.

An officer or deputy may try to pull something off, but they don't always get away with it in court. They do have to stand accountable for their behavior. Your constitutional rights are taken very seriously in a court of law. It's the foundation of our judicial system.

I'm not naive to think that all violations of our rights are defended in every case, but I have seen our system work and some pretty embarrassed officers leaving the courtroom. It works sometimes.

RE: Dumb State Troopers

Okay, I got to wondering enough that I pulled back out the old textbooks and looked it up.

I'm using the textbook, "Constitutional Law 11th Edition" by Jacqueline R. and Michael I. Kanovitz.

At a ROUTINE traffic stop, prior to an arrest: "Scope and Intensity"

"The scope of a vehicular weapons search is limited to the passenger compartment. The trunk is off-limits because of a locked trunk is not a place from which the occupants can gain immediate access to a weapon. The intensity of the search is limited to a cursory visual inspection of area within the passenger compartments, rear window ledge, and all containers inside the passenger compartment in which a weapon could fit. A cursory visual inspection of these area is all that is permitted. If criminal evidence or contraband is discovered by the police while searching within these confines, they may seize it under the plain view exception."

So, yes, he can search an unlocked glove compartment with reasonable suspicion. I think the theory behind this is to search anywhere that you might could quickly reach and grab a weapon. You can't quickly grab a weapon out of a locked glove compartment so since hers was unlocked he could do a visual inspection.

And......one of the other posters made a good comment.....when all else fails and the K-9 is nearby, bring it out and walk it around the car. If the dog hits.....that's all that is needed to search the car further and not violate her constitutional rights.

I guess the thing that gets my attention here is that he was not searching the car prior to "opening her glove compartment to put her insurance card back in". All depending on a judge, this might could be challenged in court as a violation of her rights because she did not give consent and he technically was not doing a search. He was "putting her insurance card in her glove compartment for her".

An officer/ deputy is held responsible for their actions if they violate someone's constitutional rights. They should have this stop on tape. When a complaint is made, the tape is viewed by his superior to see what was done.

I personally, and this is just my opinion, think the officer was out of line by opening her glove compartment and stating that he was just "putting her insurance card back in her glove compartment for her". That's just my opinion, though.

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

Yes.....awesome movie! Watched it a few times on HBO. What she said made so much sense. It was incredible how she handled her autism, too. She is a very intelligent lady.

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

I can understand where you are coming from though. Over there it is a lot different when it comes to hunting.....just from what I've seen on TV. It is more of a sport and I doubt that the hunters over there eat what they kill. I'm making a generalization here just from what I've seen on TV....may not be right. Guns are illegal there, so it's a totally different situation.

Everybody around here hunts and they are not all rednecks. We do have some of those morons that only kill for the sport of it. Don't know many of them. Most I know hunt all the time to store the meat away for food for the year. They get real upset if they don't fill their freezers up. They might kill a buck or two, but they kill a lot of doe to keep the population in check. I've heard the doe taste better, too. A buck's scent glands can mess the meat up if killed at certain times of the season.

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

Oh....the slaughter houses are far more worse. There definitely needs to be more government regulations in place to make them more humane. There was a movie I saw not too long ago about a woman that had autism. She wanted to re-design the slaughter houses to make them more humane. For the life of me I can't remember the name of it, but it was an excellent movie.

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

And you call us rednecks!

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

.....ribs hurting.....

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

I almost did not even dignify this with a response......here again.....generalization that all hunters are rednecks who drink, smoke and go around shooting everything. What a sheltered life you live.

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

wobbling neck..... You crack me up. My grandpa used to kill hogs in the winter time. Now, you want to talk about something awful. I couldn't do that.....but the meat was awesome when grandma cooked it up.

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

You mean you give them a running start. I'm just picking with ya.....and missed ya in the forums lately. Good to see you.

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

You're not hunting animals......quite chasing those men!

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

Nothing slows me down for too long. There's too much to do and nobody else to do it around here. I'll be fine soon. Thank you for asking.

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

You're not blocked, are you? If so, I didn't mean to. AND yes.....still need you....still on the Mac. Think I need a new hard drive.

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

Sadly, yes, they are. I'm trying to suck it up and not whine too much, though. I hate being limited in movement and have so much to do around the home.

RE: Don't you just love hunters?

I come from a big hunting area....some people do it for the sake of killing their food for the season, some for the sake of mounting the head on the wall. Most of them that I know do it for the sake of storing their food for the season.

They take a lot of effort in hunting properly and being sure that they kill the deer, turkey, or whatever it is they're hunting with one shot so that the animal does not suffer. They study the animal's habits and perfect their kill methods in order to achieve this. It greatly disturbs them if they actually make the animal suffer at all.

One of the hunters I know says that he recalls the first deer he killed and was not able to kill it instantly. He says that this still bothers him. What is the thrill that he has in hunting? It's the thrill of killing his meal and providing food for his family....a good meal at that.

Refer back to Wonderworker's post.......tour a slaughter house..... a lot worse than hunting. Why not buy the meat commerically? When you hunt and kill something on your own you know what you have, how it has been prepared, and you save your money on top of that.

Don't be so quick to judge hunters. Yes, they're some sick people out there that have the wrong reasons for hunting. Don't generalize all hunters, though.

Also, if the hunters did not kill some of our deer population here we would be killing them with our vehicles. They become overpopulated quickly. A lot of the hunters here participate in state programs where they give the meat to families that can't afford to buy food......Hunters for Hungry or something like that.

I have someone that supplies me with meat, as well. You can't beat a delicious deer steak and you can't buy them at the store either. I can't eat beef any more, so I really enjoy the deer.

Don't knock all hunters....just the morons that give everything a bad name. It you don't do it in your country it doesn't mean that it's wrong to do it in ours. I love wildlife and animals as much as the next person.....I also love eating meat. I also believe in treating the animal with respect prior to it landing on my table to eat. Hunting, if done properly, is a lot more human than a slaughter house.

RE: What being brutally honest means to you?

It's all in the way one says it. Sometimes people don't listen when things are put them in a nice way....it takes being "brutality honest" to get the point across. But I understand what you're saying on here....some people are "brutality honest" just for the kicks of putting other people down and making themselves feel superior. There is not always a need for being "brutality honest".

RE: Dumb State Troopers

WHOOOOO!!! I was getting me a little chuckle prior to reading this. Don't think he can search your glove compartment without cause. He can only search what is open, within wing span I think. I might be wrong, but seems I remember a discussion about this in one of my classes. Under certain circumstances he can only search certain things. I don't know about opening the whole glove compartment thing now.....could be a violation of rights.....could get you out of ticket. Me's just thinking and all.....

RE: I spoke too soon!

Shoot Jan.....was hoping this thread was about you meeting someone.

RE: I spoke too soon!

That's funny....I haven't been receiving any lately. I'm glad...was getting really old opening up all that mail from scammers.

What's the most embarrassing thing that's happened on a date.

I wasn't offended. The guy really seemed nice until I went out with him. Then I wondered if his mom dropped him on his head when he was a baby. Lacked good common sense. But you don't find out these things unless you go out with them. I found him to be quite repelling.

What's the most embarrassing thing that's happened on a date.

I went out with a guy not too long ago. He took me out to eat. When I opened the door to get out at the restaurant all the cans and trash in his floor board fell out in the parking lot. HOW embarrassing! Not to mention you could of given the guy a straw to eat.....he inhaled it!

Same week this guy asks me to help him drag a deer out of the woods he just killed. I ride over to the field. What happens?.....I open the door to get out and cans fall out again. I had to say something this time, especially since he lives across from the dumpsters. All he had to do was drive across the road and clean out the truck before picking me up.

Don't get me wrong....I live down a dirt road and my car stays dirty most of the time. I can tolerate certain things, but the cans falling out every time I opened the door just made me ill. Didn't go out with the guy again.

What's your story?

RE: Just friends

I've told guys that I just want to be friends before and truly meant it. The problem was that they kept interpreting it as be friends now, possibly more later. If they offered to help me with something, I would always offer to pay in return. If they declined I would even tell them that I don't want to take advantage of them. I would also offer to help them in some way in return. Ex: they bring a load of sawdust....me help them get up wood....something like that. This is to let them know that it's not one-sided in the doing process.


The problem that I run into is that they are doing for me hoping for the act to lead to something more, even though I've been clear in what I wanted. I make several commits letting them know where I am coming from so that they understand that their act is not going to lead to something more.

No one ever asks for my help in return and still thinks that their "act of kindness" is going to lead to something more, even though I've been clear where I stand.

I truly long to find those "just friend" relationships where we can be just friends and hang out without being romantically involved. There is a lot that I need to get done and a lot that I can offer in help to someone else if they would just utilize the friendship and be there for me in that way.

Instead, after a few acts of kindness (them not asking for favors in return) they get mad because the relationship has not developed and consider me to have used them when in fact I have offered to pay them for their time and services or offered my help in exchange. This is so frustrating and I often find myself seeking to find someone that I could pay to help me and I can't even find that, SO I just end of being alone and doing it all myself....the hard way. Very frustrating.

Rule of thumb: If you do something for someone else do not have a motive behind it.....just do it because you wanted to help out or don't do it at all. Saves the person doing it the heartache of a non-developing relationship and the other person the frustration of it all!

Getting romantically involved should not require you to do chores to prove yourself. If you are interested in the person and want to help out, then start dropping some strong hints and see how they respond. You should be able to get some kind of indication of what they are wanting after a few comments.

Don't do things for others to impress them. This drives me crazy! Do it because you want to and expect nothing in return. Otherwise, you should have a professional agreement worked out before the work takes place and a financial arrangement in order.

RE: When someone just ignores you.

Think real hard....do you really want to hear what this guy has to say? He's given you the signs that he is not interested. Do you really want him to go into detail as to why not?

Sometimes people give signs trying to indicate that they are no longer interested, but the person remains blind to them or simply chooses not to see, thinking things may change.

If he hasn't communicated with you for a month then he is clearly not interested and you should take the sign. If he has other things going on like waiting for you to hook up with someone else, just to want you back...leave it alone....drama and more heart-break ahead.

Chaulk it off as experience and move on. Think to yourself what was so special about this guy that you feel so in love with him. See through his game.

Good luck to you.