Provocation or freedom of speech?

Some right wing group plans to stage demonstrations in front of mosques over here, saying that Islam has no place in Germany - and to underline their attitude, they intend to display Mohammed caricatures during their "protest". All this of course right at the end of ramadan.

Oddly enough, a court has actually allowed them to do that. So, the police are expecting some serious clashes.

To me this seems like sheer provocation, it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I really do not understand why "demonstrations" like that cannot be simply stopped, before people get harmed. frustrated
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Any thoughts? dunno
stay home ,stay safe
That is not the point, Boban1. My question is: should a group of people be allowed to openly provoke another group on one of their religious holidays?
Look at the bigger picture here
someone wants mayhem and chaos on the streets
Who would be this "someone"?
teddy..

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of coure.
I lived in the middle east for a while.
fascinating places i saw, but strange ways of thinking..

the cultures dont mix.

plus, in many cases religion conflict is merely an excuse for something else maybe ?
Good point, Teddy. There are cultural differences indeed, and a lot of people are probably just afraid of something, that seems so different to what they are used to.

But does that give a small group of people the right to provoke those, who are seemingly so different? dunno
hey Sue !
why no picture ?
c'mon..
We can wait till they (muslims) are 50% and more of the european populee. That is just a matter of time the way things develop now. Our children (or grand children) will then find out how things will look. Hopefully they will not have the need to protest. Hopefully churches will still be allowed even. Could be.

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The European freedom of act legislation was brought into being to allow common people as individuals or as groups to voice their opinion. There will always be those that support these opinions and those that do not which depending on the sensitivity of the subject may lead to confrontation.

However!

There are groups that use the freedom this act allows as an opportunity to provoke conflict to support an idea or cause.

You may find that the court which allowed this demonstration to take place was bound by the terms of the freedom of act law having been unable to prove “just cause” that the “protest” would be anything other than peaceful. After all Judges have to adhere to the letter of the law and are not allowed to take into consideration the “reactions” of people when making judgements
Morgen, would it really be so bad if 50% of the European population decided to worship god in a mosque, rather than a church or a synagogue or a temple?

I do not mind what people believe in and how they worship, as long as they do not try to force their religion onto me.

I would also never dream of standing in front of any place of worship, trying to provoke those, who do not share my believes.
Freedom of speech, hmmm... i guess it doesn't mean that you can utter or blurt out anything you feel at any given time. Like saying there's a place and time for everything.Of course the timing of this demonstration is clearly to destroy the peace and disrespect the Ramadan. But, provocation can happen at any given time to build up a fire. Maybe, it's just waiting for the right moment to snap. uh oh
Solamente, that is a very good point - the judge probably was indeed bound by the letter of the law. Unfortunately common sense and the law are not often in the same room.

It seems that the politicians have passed the buck to a judge, who then just stuck to his law book, passing the buck to the police, who will have to deal with whatever develops as a result of this undecisiveness.
Hi June, I am all in favour of people saying whatever they want, whenever they want. But, if a minority group gets targeted in such a way, it seems more like a call for war and to me that just is not right.

Basically, I agree with you. hug
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i am an atheist
so all these shows look to me like a bad comedy.
of course they r directed and guided , but not form the demonstrators , as it looks the obvious, think harderbanana banana roll eyes scold wave
morg
(caugh)eeeeemmmmmm. buddy u have some dirt on ur face, better check it out before go out on public again wink conversing sigh wave
Morgen, what exactly led you to the conclusion that I would love to see the christian community wiped out? Is life really so very black-and-white for you, with no middle ground?

I would like to see tolerance overcome those frictions between different groups - if that makes me a liberal, so be it. I believe that people of different religions can live together peacefully because I have seen in happen. I have been to church in a muslim country, and guess what - nobody threw rocks at me! (or taunted me with Jesus caricatures)
Hehe. You are naive susanne, but that is just my opinion.
Icecream and snow is not the same.

I got good news for you however: you will have your will.

cheers
Ok. I take that back. I find you interesting, openminded and with loads of knowledge - probably more than i have got under the belt sofar.

I see your vision of brotherhood of all humans;
with respect, trust and decency and frankly i support that idea.



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You are switching to flattery now? rolling on the floor laughing
Atleast we kept within the frame of the blog

"Provocation or freedom of speech?" wink

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