Guns Laws (27)

Mar 12, 2009 12:25 PM CST Guns Laws
issopui
issopuiissopuiKrefeld, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany6 Threads 135 Posts
Well I have been a bit quiet due to my status here in Europe (Study).I have just read about this shooting in the high school in the city nearby and it reminds me of my time back in Asia. I would like to know what u people think about the law of owning a gun and how it should be proceeded.
dunno dunno dunno
Mar 12, 2009 2:38 PM CST Guns Laws
gussi
gussigussiVilters-Wangs, St Gallen Switzerland12 Threads 2 Polls 4,032 Posts
issopui: Well I have been a bit quiet due to my status here in Europe (Study).I have just read about this shooting in the high school in the city nearby and it reminds me of my time back in Asia. I would like to know what u people think about the law of owning a gun and how it should be proceeded.


The firearms laws in Germany are some of if not the strictess in europe. If someone wants to waste a bunch of people then they will whether the gun laws are loose or tight.

This unfortunately is not the last example that will happen in germany or any european country. Maybe if the media didnt make such a hype out of it, then the future perpurtrators will realise that they dont get the media recognition they maybe looking for.
Mar 12, 2009 3:23 PM CST Guns Laws
issopui
issopuiissopuiKrefeld, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany6 Threads 135 Posts
gussi: The firearms laws in Germany are some of if not the strictess in europe. If someone wants to waste a bunch of people then they will whether the gun laws are loose or tight.

This unfortunately is not the last example that will happen in germany or any european country. Maybe if the media didnt make such a hype out of it, then the future perpurtrators will realise that they dont get the media recognition they maybe looking for.

That's true Gussi about the law whether loose or tight whenever someone decides to smoke some heads he/she will do it
My point is why allowing people to have guns when there is nothing like life threatening. Especially here in Germany I think there is no need to have collection of guns I might be wrong dunno
Concerning the media Gussi I think they have a point of making all the hype just think once that it was at my Uni and I was part of those who lost their life.I'm sure maybe after reading it on newspaper u'll say I know one of them. Anyway at least those who have gun will check if the locker is still well lock or not.

doh doh
Mar 12, 2009 3:59 PM CST Guns Laws
issopui: That's true Gussi about the law whether loose or tight whenever someone decides to smoke some heads he/she will do it
My point is why allowing people to have guns when there is nothing like life threatening. Especially here in Germany I think there is no need to have collection of guns I might be wrong
Concerning the media Gussi I think they have a point of making all the hype just think once that it was at my Uni and I was part of those who lost their life.I'm sure maybe after reading it on newspaper u'll say I know one of them. Anyway at least those who have gun will check if the locker is still well lock or not.
Why NOT allowing people to have Guns?dunno
Mar 12, 2009 4:36 PM CST Guns Laws
gussi
gussigussiVilters-Wangs, St Gallen Switzerland12 Threads 2 Polls 4,032 Posts
issopui: That's true Gussi about the law whether loose or tight whenever someone decides to smoke some heads he/she will do it
My point is why allowing people to have guns when there is nothing like life threatening. Especially here in Germany I think there is no need to have collection of guns I might be wrong
Concerning the media Gussi I think they have a point of making all the hype just think once that it was at my Uni and I was part of those who lost their life.I'm sure maybe after reading it on newspaper u'll say I know one of them. Anyway at least those who have gun will check if the locker is still well lock or not.


Ok, i dont know how long you haved in Germany, i lived there for 31 years, there is a social aspect in germany called the Schützenverein, remove that from the german calender would be like taking the Independance day aways from the yanks. I have a Waffenscheinwhich means i could if i wanted to, carry a firearm in public. I also have a Jagdschein which is also a social aspect in Germany. The criteria to obtain either of these is so strict when you finally have it, you aint going to jeopardise it . All these crimes committed in schols are done by scholars who had access t weapons of sort, normally from their parents. I would suggest that the parents as well as the scholar should be scrutinised. The fault is in the social system not the gun laws
Mar 12, 2009 4:37 PM CST Guns Laws
gussi
gussigussiVilters-Wangs, St Gallen Switzerland12 Threads 2 Polls 4,032 Posts
Conrad73: Why NOT allowing people to have Guns?


cos then they cant go round smoking people.
laugh
Mar 12, 2009 5:06 PM CST Guns Laws
issopui
issopuiissopuiKrefeld, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany6 Threads 135 Posts
Conrad73: Why NOT allowing people to have Guns?

no more shooting. we'll be all happy banana banana
Mar 12, 2009 5:20 PM CST Guns Laws
gussi
gussigussiVilters-Wangs, St Gallen Switzerland12 Threads 2 Polls 4,032 Posts
issopui: no more shooting. we'll be all happy


and then the nutters will find something new like feertilizer and suger to make big bombs and play with those.

rolling on the floor laughing
Mar 12, 2009 5:25 PM CST Guns Laws
issopui
issopuiissopuiKrefeld, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany6 Threads 135 Posts
gussi: Ok, i dont know how long you haved in Germany, i lived there for 31 years, there is a social aspect in germany called the Schützenverein, remove that from the german calender would be like taking the Independance day aways from the yanks. I have a Waffenscheinwhich means i could if i wanted to, carry a firearm in public. I also have a Jagdschein which is also a social aspect in Germany. The criteria to obtain either of these is so strict when you finally have it, you aint going to jeopardise it . All these crimes committed in schols are done by scholars who had access t weapons of sort, normally from their parents. I would suggest that the parents as well as the scholar should be scrutinised. The fault is in the social system not the gun laws
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I haven't been here (Germany) for long Gussi.Well back in my days in Asia I was once caught in the gun fight between the mob (mostly students) and the army.Trust me it's not something I would like to face again in my life whenever I remember it I start trembling wow
Yeah true u mention about social system who sets all the rules. The law can just say "NO guns or owning gun license" we wont be able to reach the social level as the law court didn't pass it.
they even mention that it's after a school shooting that the age was rose from 18 to 21 years for a gun's license.

doh doh
Mar 12, 2009 5:28 PM CST Guns Laws
issopui
issopuiissopuiKrefeld, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany6 Threads 135 Posts
gussi: and then the nutters will find something new like feertilizer and suger to make big bombs and play with those.

scold scold Wow Gussi that will be huge. Anyway it'll take time to do all the work or may smoke his/her own head. Only one head no 16 dunno dunno
Mar 12, 2009 5:30 PM CST Guns Laws
gussi
gussigussiVilters-Wangs, St Gallen Switzerland12 Threads 2 Polls 4,032 Posts
issopui: Wow Gussi that will be huge. Anyway it'll take time to do all the work or may smoke his/her own head. Only one head no 16


Not really, think of the oklahoma bomb, feertilizer and diesel fuel. over a 100 dead, mostly children.
Mar 12, 2009 5:32 PM CST Guns Laws
issopui: no more shooting. we'll be all happy
Glad you think so!uh oh
Better outlaw Steak-Knifes now,and all Edged Tools as well.
Except,it won't help much,when you have people versed in making mechanical devices.
You'd be surprised what's possible.grin
Mar 12, 2009 5:37 PM CST Guns Laws
issopui
issopuiissopuiKrefeld, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany6 Threads 135 Posts
gussi: Not really, think of the oklahoma bomb, feertilizer and diesel fuel. over a 100 dead, mostly children.

that's a lot it was real disaster. crying crying
hope we wont reach that level
Mar 12, 2009 5:47 PM CST Guns Laws
gussi
gussigussiVilters-Wangs, St Gallen Switzerland12 Threads 2 Polls 4,032 Posts
Conrad73: Glad you think so!
Better outlaw Steak-Knifes now,and all Edged Tools as well.
Except,it won't help much,when you have people versed in making mechanical devices.
You'd be surprised what's possible.


just think of the damage and chaos Smoky could do with her rollie machine. OMG



laugh laugh laugh
Mar 12, 2009 5:55 PM CST Guns Laws
gussi: just think of the damage and chaos Smoky could do with her rollie machine. OMG
thumbs up rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Mar 13, 2009 12:59 AM CST Guns Laws
ghost007
ghost007ghost007swieqi, Majjistral Malta52 Threads 4 Polls 885 Posts
I think all guns should be banned and only those with really good reason should be allowed to keep one single gun for instance if their house is located in the wilderness and they need it for self defense otherwise I would not allow it at all there are too many gun crimes ..by individuals that find it very easy to get hold of guns
Mar 13, 2009 1:25 AM CST Guns Laws
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
ghost007: I think all guns should be banned and only those with really good reason should be allowed to keep one single gun for instance if their house is located in the wilderness and they need it for self defense otherwise I would not allow it at all there are too many gun crimes ..by individuals that find it very easy to get hold of guns


We have glorious brave hunters here who blast away at little (and sometimes not so little endangered birds) migrating birds as they fly over this little rock of an island.

Our villa has been peppered with shotgun pellets in the past and I'd not be too happy if I'd been accidentally blinded. The hunters can get a little 'uppity' if their right to hunt is questioned and have burnt the cars etc of those who have dared complain too much!

There's always been the claim that making guns illegal equals the criminals having a free hand as criminals are less likely to obey the law.

I think it is an ongoing debate, especially in the USA - where the 'right to bear arms' is almost genetically imprinted in a large percentage of the population.
Mar 13, 2009 2:03 AM CST Guns Laws
wedward
wedwardwedwardlinz, Upper Austria Austria680 Threads 7,252 Posts
gussi: The firearms laws in Germany are some of if not the strictess in europe. If someone wants to waste a bunch of people then they will whether the gun laws are loose or tight.

This unfortunately is not the last example that will happen in germany or any european country. Maybe if the media didnt make such a hype out of it, then the future perpurtrators will realise that they dont get the media recognition they maybe looking for.
///// people who want to get a gun will always find a way in the uk you cannot own a gun unless the police say you can and only if you can prove you belong to a gun club or you are a farmer ,the police visit your house and you must keep your firearm in a locked steel cabinet at all times when it is not in use it is very difficult to own a gun in the uk, even model and collecters of military arms must have their guns rendered unfit to fire i think the uk does all it can to deter people having guns, but someone will always find a way if intent on doing so, and no law on earth will stop them. what a sad world we live in...
Mar 13, 2009 3:25 AM CST Guns Laws
gussi
gussigussiVilters-Wangs, St Gallen Switzerland12 Threads 2 Polls 4,032 Posts
wedward: ///// people who want to get a gun will always find a way in the uk you cannot own a gun unless the police say you can and only if you can prove you belong to a gun club or you are a farmer ,the police visit your house and you must keep your firearm in a locked steel cabinet at all times when it is not in use it is very difficult to own a gun in the uk, even model and collecters of military arms must have their guns rendered unfit to fire i think the uk does all it can to deter people having guns, but someone will always find a way if intent on doing so, and no law on earth will stop them. what a sad world we live in...


Hi Weddy, yes i know the laws in the uk as i also have a shotgun licence for skeet shooting but unfortunately the police dont treat the applications quite as they should.And the requirements needed to obtain one are no where near as strict as other countries in europe (skandinavia excepted).
You only need to go to romford,and can buy a firearm almost over the counter with no questions asked. So like i said in my previous post, no matter how tight the laws are those who are hellbent on having a forearm they can get one.
Mar 13, 2009 4:19 AM CST Guns Laws
wedward
wedwardwedwardlinz, Upper Austria Austria680 Threads 7,252 Posts
gussi: Hi Weddy, yes i know the laws in the uk as i also have a shotgun licence for skeet shooting but unfortunately the police dont treat the applications quite as they should.And the requirements needed to obtain one are no where near as strict as other countries in europe (skandinavia excepted).
You only need to go to romford,and can buy a firearm almost over the counter with no questions asked. So like i said in my previous post, no matter how tight the laws are those who are hellbent on having a forearm they can get one.
they have tightend the check in the last year yost look at the numbers they are down
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