ANY NATIVE AMERICANS ON CS? (75)
A co-worker of mine has gone off to college to go study about Native American tribes in Arizona. I was reading a book on Native American tribes in America-I knew there were a lot but never realised there were quite so many.
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tainogirl.. You always seem to come up with some good threads.
But I have to tell ya, its going to beat yesterdays.
But I have to tell ya, its going to beat yesterdays.
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Im either 1/4 or 1/8 Paupack from northeast Pa. I dont know much about them though. The tribe was prettymuch assimilated into the whites.
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Hugz_n_Kissez: I haven't burned it in awhile either...Might be a good time for me too.....
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USThumper: Is it ever a bad time?
Nope...I just tend to get away from it once in awhile....
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In response to: I find Native American cultures very fascinating. I Would like to learn about the different tribes. Are there any who are Native American on CS? What tribe do you belong to? What aspects of your culture do you practice?
My grandfather was born in Oklahoma and is part Cherokee. I'm part Taino, part Cherokee, part German, part Polish, and part Hispanic.
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catchastar2: tainogirl.. You always seem to come up with some good threads.
But I have to tell ya, its going to beat yesterdays.
But I have to tell ya, its going to beat yesterdays.
It is a big interest of mine, I studied some archeology at University and I always wished I could have studied it further. I went on digs at some Amerindian sites some years ago and had some out of this world experiences. There is something that happens to you when you visit these sacred places. I have a deep respect for these people especially the Amerindian tribes that were here in the Caribbean. Overall Native Americans are beautiful people. In the old days they respected the earth and their place in it and I am sure the same is true of them today. I also love looking at those old sepia photographs of Indians from different tribes, the men in the photos always look so proud and handsome.
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Some Modern day wisdom:
People talk about a “war on terrorism”. Some cultures haven't realized that there has always been a war on terrorism. As long as human memory, there have been assassinations and harm done from group to group, on and on, endlessly. Sometimes there was a claim to a religious foundation, sometimes these were just things that happened in battles.
I'm afraid the principles of today's “war on terrorism” are the same principles as those of the game of chess, which are built on the idea that if you could capture the head of the other side or kill him, you win and then you can go off and think about something else. Evidently, somebody thinks that someday there will be an endgame in the war on terrorism. But there will never be an endgame in the war on terrorism. What we need is a beginning game for the process of peacemaking. As far as I can see, we haven't begun that yet.
North America has given only one philosophical tradition to the world, and that single philosophical tradition is pragmatism. For it to follow the principles of the Haudenosaunee Great Law, it has to be progressive pragmatism. Progressive pragmatism seeks ends that are universal and that have the quality of win-win negotiations. Both idealism — the idea that God is on someone's side — and vilification — the idea that one side is evil or fundamentally in the wrong — are barred from this process. Instead, this process lays out desirable outcomes that all sides can agree upon, and these must be adhered to through a set of protocols, because it is not possible to create peace by force and because peace requires rules that both sides embrace and honor.
John Mohawk was a leading scholar and spokesman for the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy who died on December 12, 2006.
Too bad somebody wouldn't listen.....
People talk about a “war on terrorism”. Some cultures haven't realized that there has always been a war on terrorism. As long as human memory, there have been assassinations and harm done from group to group, on and on, endlessly. Sometimes there was a claim to a religious foundation, sometimes these were just things that happened in battles.
I'm afraid the principles of today's “war on terrorism” are the same principles as those of the game of chess, which are built on the idea that if you could capture the head of the other side or kill him, you win and then you can go off and think about something else. Evidently, somebody thinks that someday there will be an endgame in the war on terrorism. But there will never be an endgame in the war on terrorism. What we need is a beginning game for the process of peacemaking. As far as I can see, we haven't begun that yet.
North America has given only one philosophical tradition to the world, and that single philosophical tradition is pragmatism. For it to follow the principles of the Haudenosaunee Great Law, it has to be progressive pragmatism. Progressive pragmatism seeks ends that are universal and that have the quality of win-win negotiations. Both idealism — the idea that God is on someone's side — and vilification — the idea that one side is evil or fundamentally in the wrong — are barred from this process. Instead, this process lays out desirable outcomes that all sides can agree upon, and these must be adhered to through a set of protocols, because it is not possible to create peace by force and because peace requires rules that both sides embrace and honor.
John Mohawk was a leading scholar and spokesman for the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy who died on December 12, 2006.
Too bad somebody wouldn't listen.....
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Paradox67: My grandfather was born in Oklahoma and is part Cherokee. I'm part Taino, part Cherokee, part German, part Polish, and part Hispanic.
That's a hot mix.
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tainogirl: It is a big interest of mine, I studied some archeology at University and I always wished I could have studied it further. I went on digs at some Amerindian sites some years ago and had some out of this world experiences. There is something that happens to you when you visit these sacred places. I have a deep respect for these people especially the Amerindian tribes that were here in the Caribbean. Overall Native Americans are beautiful people. In the old days they respected the earth and their place in it and I am sure the same is true of them today. I also love looking at those old sepia photographs of Indians from different tribes, the men in the photos always look so proud and handsome.
I agree. And yes the respect they had for the earth is still stong.
As I said before I don't know that much about that part of my herritage. But I have always had the pride to say I am part of that nation.
One thing had always stuck in my mind and had an impact on me.
And it's kind of funny how it did. But when I was really young there was an add on tv, about polution and rivers being destroyed. and all I remember was an Indian complete with the cheifs headdress, and tears running down his face.
Does anyone remember that? Anyway it had made an impact on me.
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tainogirl: That's a hot mix.
Yes. I'm going to go touch myself now.
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when I was at the Grand Canyon last week I learned some of the Hopi I belive, they live in adobe homes and had a very rich heritage, and have a story of a great flood the was very similar the Noah's flood,and a god drove a knife into the earth to drain the water and that became the Canyon ....
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Yes because we came from the Upper part of New York State originally....
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Some Modern day wisdom:
People talk about a “war on terrorism”. Some cultures haven't realized that there has always been a war on terrorism. As long as human memory, there have been assassinations and harm done from group to group, on and on, endlessly. Sometimes there was a claim to a religious foundation, sometimes these were just things that happened in battles.
I'm afraid the principles of today's “war on terrorism” are the same principles as those of the game of chess, which are built on the idea that if you could capture the head of the other side or kill him, you win and then you can go off and think about something else. Evidently, somebody thinks that someday there will be an endgame in the war on terrorism. But there will never be an endgame in the war on terrorism. What we need is a beginning game for the process of peacemaking. As far as I can see, we haven't begun that yet.
North America has given only one philosophical tradition to the world, and that single philosophical tradition is pragmatism. For it to follow the principles of the Haudenosaunee Great Law, it has to be progressive pragmatism. Progressive pragmatism seeks ends that are universal and that have the quality of win-win negotiations. Both idealism — the idea that God is on someone's side — and vilification — the idea that one side is evil or fundamentally in the wrong — are barred from this process. Instead, this process lays out desirable outcomes that all sides can agree upon, and these must be adhered to through a set of protocols, because it is not possible to create peace by force and because peace requires rules that both sides embrace and honor.
John Mohawk was a leading scholar and spokesman for the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy who died on December 12, 2006.Too bad somebody wouldn't listen.....
Yeah, if the world would listen to him it would be a great place to livePeople talk about a “war on terrorism”. Some cultures haven't realized that there has always been a war on terrorism. As long as human memory, there have been assassinations and harm done from group to group, on and on, endlessly. Sometimes there was a claim to a religious foundation, sometimes these were just things that happened in battles.
I'm afraid the principles of today's “war on terrorism” are the same principles as those of the game of chess, which are built on the idea that if you could capture the head of the other side or kill him, you win and then you can go off and think about something else. Evidently, somebody thinks that someday there will be an endgame in the war on terrorism. But there will never be an endgame in the war on terrorism. What we need is a beginning game for the process of peacemaking. As far as I can see, we haven't begun that yet.
North America has given only one philosophical tradition to the world, and that single philosophical tradition is pragmatism. For it to follow the principles of the Haudenosaunee Great Law, it has to be progressive pragmatism. Progressive pragmatism seeks ends that are universal and that have the quality of win-win negotiations. Both idealism — the idea that God is on someone's side — and vilification — the idea that one side is evil or fundamentally in the wrong — are barred from this process. Instead, this process lays out desirable outcomes that all sides can agree upon, and these must be adhered to through a set of protocols, because it is not possible to create peace by force and because peace requires rules that both sides embrace and honor.
John Mohawk was a leading scholar and spokesman for the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy who died on December 12, 2006.Too bad somebody wouldn't listen.....
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I admire the view that they had about the land and the animals they shared it with. I like the fact that it was not all about owning land - that all could share in it and take only what was needed.
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USThumper: Yeah, if the world would listen to him it would be a great place to live
There is a lot of wisdom like that around that people fail to listen to:
"We who are clay blended by the Master Potter, come from the kiln of Creation in many hues. How can people say one skin is colored, when each has its own coloration? What should it matter that one bowl is dark and the other pale, if each is of good design and serves its purpose well."
~Polingaysi Qoyawayma, Hopi ~
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catchastar2: I agree. And yes the respect they had for the earth is still stong.
As I said before I don't know that much about that part of my herritage. But I have always had the pride to say I am part of that nation.
One thing had always stuck in my mind and had an impact on me.
And it's kind of funny how it did. But when I was really young there was an add on tv, about polution and rivers being destroyed. and all I remember was an Indian complete with the cheifs headdress, and tears running down his face.
Does anyone remember that? Anyway it had made an impact on me.
As I said before I don't know that much about that part of my herritage. But I have always had the pride to say I am part of that nation.
One thing had always stuck in my mind and had an impact on me.
And it's kind of funny how it did. But when I was really young there was an add on tv, about polution and rivers being destroyed. and all I remember was an Indian complete with the cheifs headdress, and tears running down his face.
Does anyone remember that? Anyway it had made an impact on me.
I remember that commercial. It had a strong impact on me, too. Because of it, I'm very aware of picking up after myself and not polluting our world.
I don't have the blood in me, but I do practice Native American ways. I have made my own Native American drum and Lakota courting flute, and attend ceremonies in a Medicine Wheel. I offer tobacco, wear a medicine pouch often, and use sweetgrass and white sage to clear and cleanse. I'm going to be learning more about the Way of the Pipe as well.
Yes, they still honor Mother Earth very much, and teach respect for all living things as we are all related...all of our ancestors, the ancestors of place, the animals, the plants, the rocks...all has spirit. Mitakyue oyasin...all my relations.
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tainogirl: I admire the view that they had about the land and the animals they shared it with. I like the fact that it was not all about owning land - that all could share in it and take only what was needed.
They actually feel that no one can own land, for it belongs to all of us. We can live on it, grow things in it, but never own what belongs to God.
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I haven't burned it in awhile either...Might be a good time for me too.....