How would you live your life without ANY form of supernatural elements? (78)
Hi Jeff...
That´s how I do live my life. I don´t believe in anything but the hear and now and perhaps a vast electrical consciousness that the little electrical impulses in our brain are a part of. Of course it´s fun to read horoscopes and have a reading done but I don´t give it any merit.
That´s how I do live my life. I don´t believe in anything but the hear and now and perhaps a vast electrical consciousness that the little electrical impulses in our brain are a part of. Of course it´s fun to read horoscopes and have a reading done but I don´t give it any merit.------ This thread is Archived ------
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Ambrose2007: I understand, Goddess, that doing so might violate your oaths...
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jbibiza: Hi Jeff... That´s how I do live my life. I don´t believe in anything but the hear and now and perhaps a vast electrical consciousness that the little electrical impulses in our brain are a part of. Of course it´s fun to read horoscopes and have a reading done but I don´t give it any merit.
Good to see you, Jacquie! 
Well, there might very well be a lot of stuff going on that we're not cognizant of...in fact, that's pretty much guaranteed. BUT - I'd like to see how we would respond knowing that regardless of such unknown factors the responsibility for our lives still rests squarely on our shoulders.
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Ambrose2007: This is sort of a reversal of my "I've Decided There Is A God - What Do I Do Now?" thread, wherein I pondered the question of how my life would change if I believed in a god-creator of the universe.
I would like to ask CSers, a la John Lennon, to imagine living with the knowledge that there are no supernatural entities, and further - for those New Agers among us (you know who you are...D )- that astrological signs, tarot cards, or sundry portents have no bearing at all on our lives. There is no such thing as "psychic connections," reincarnation, fate, "twin souls," "Universal Force," etc.
We just live in the world that we all see and know directly: a place where people relate, struggle,love, and accomplish things, but only from their own power - not because of fate or cosmic energies or the will of supernatural entities. It's just us and the world we make with our own flesh and blood and will.
How would you live your life under these circumstances?
(Of course I know that several will answer: "But I can't see life without these things - it would have no meaning! And I refuse to consider it!" Well, I can't do much about that except to ask that you suck it up and approach this difficult concept courageously. )
I would like to ask CSers, a la John Lennon, to imagine living with the knowledge that there are no supernatural entities, and further - for those New Agers among us (you know who you are...D )- that astrological signs, tarot cards, or sundry portents have no bearing at all on our lives. There is no such thing as "psychic connections," reincarnation, fate, "twin souls," "Universal Force," etc.
We just live in the world that we all see and know directly: a place where people relate, struggle,love, and accomplish things, but only from their own power - not because of fate or cosmic energies or the will of supernatural entities. It's just us and the world we make with our own flesh and blood and will.
How would you live your life under these circumstances?
(Of course I know that several will answer: "But I can't see life without these things - it would have no meaning! And I refuse to consider it!" Well, I can't do much about that except to ask that you suck it up and approach this difficult concept courageously. )
I believe in reincarnation but that you won't necesarily come back as a human being.
When I was a young girl walking up my street I had the feeling that I had been there before in a mystical way.
I don't believe in fate as I think we are in charge of how our life goes and not the sign of Tarus which I am. I am true to my sign, however, that might be just coincidence.
Many people on here believe in Karma, I don't. However, I do believe in "what goes around comes around" and that those who do us wrong will get their due eventually.
Basically, I think we are just here on earth, expected to handle our life, sometimes with the help of friends or medical professionals, but I don't expect the cards or astrological signs to guide me.
Yes, I believe it is just us. We here on CS discuss and have big opinions on various subjects. Those opinions are of who we are, not the cards and definitely not the stars.
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Ambrose2007: Good to see you, Jacquie!
Well, there might very well be a lot of stuff going on that we're not cognizant of...in fact, that's pretty much guaranteed. BUT - I'd like to see how we would respond knowing that regardless of such unknown factors the responsibility for our lives still rests squarely on our shoulders.
Well, there might very well be a lot of stuff going on that we're not cognizant of...in fact, that's pretty much guaranteed. BUT - I'd like to see how we would respond knowing that regardless of such unknown factors the responsibility for our lives still rests squarely on our shoulders.
That´s what I preach constantly... it´s a bit of a soap box issue for me!
I get angry with people who sue for their own stupid mistakes, yes they get a big payout but at what cost? More control over your daily life. Until people are willing to take the responsibility for their own lives and their own decisions there can´t be any true freedom.The attitude that so many Christians have of "giving it up to God" annoys the hell out of me. Waiting for a "higher power" to make your life better is ridiculous to me... we are all responsible for the good and bad things that happen in our lives.
I got into a bit of a discussion with people a couple of weeks ago regarding why they were divorced. I firmly believe that both parties are responsible. If the person you married winds up to be a cheater or a beater then you obviously didn´t know them well enough prior to getting married. They were that way all along and you made the decision to marry them and there for part of the responsibility is yours.
Ok... climbing off my soapbox now....
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Ambrose2007: Good to see you, Jacquie!
Well, there might very well be a lot of stuff going on that we're not cognizant of...in fact, that's pretty much guaranteed. BUT - I'd like to see how we would respond knowing that regardless of such unknown factors the responsibility for our lives still rests squarely on our shoulders.
Well, there might very well be a lot of stuff going on that we're not cognizant of...in fact, that's pretty much guaranteed. BUT - I'd like to see how we would respond knowing that regardless of such unknown factors the responsibility for our lives still rests squarely on our shoulders.
But isn't this exactly true, no matter whether or not one believes in unknown factors? If you believe in the things you mentioned (fate, astrology, twin souls, etc.), that belief doesn't remove responsibility for how we live our lives. In a way, it may even add more responsibility. Let's say, for example, I believed that fate brought Mr. Right to me here on CS, but he lives in East Faraway and we are half the world apart. If I believed in fate, am I not responsible to follow the signs I think I've been given, pack my belongings and board the first Farawayair flight? And, if I do so, aren't I now even bearing more responsibilities?
I don't believe in many things that I don't know for certain to exist, but I try to keep an open mind. With what you ask, though, I don't feel that I would live my life any differently. Responsibility for what we do always rests on our shoulders, as long as we are the ones taking a particular action.
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jlb684: But isn't this exactly true, no matter whether or not one believes in unknown factors? If you believe in the things you mentioned (fate, astrology, twin souls, etc.), that belief doesn't remove responsibility for how we live our lives. In a way, it may even add more responsibility. Let's say, for example, I believed that fate brought Mr. Right to me here on CS, but he lives in East Faraway and we are half the world apart. If I believed in fate, am I not responsible to follow the signs I think I've been given, pack my belongings and board the first Farawayair flight? And, if I do so, aren't I now even bearing more responsibilities?
I don't believe in many things that I don't know for certain to exist, but I try to keep an open mind. With what you ask, though, I don't feel that I would live my life any differently. Responsibility for what we do always rests on our shoulders, as long as we are the ones taking a particular action.
I don't believe in many things that I don't know for certain to exist, but I try to keep an open mind. With what you ask, though, I don't feel that I would live my life any differently. Responsibility for what we do always rests on our shoulders, as long as we are the ones taking a particular action.
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jlb684: But isn't this exactly true, no matter whether or not one believes in unknown factors? If you believe in the things you mentioned (fate, astrology, twin souls, etc.), that belief doesn't remove responsibility for how we live our lives. In a way, it may even add more responsibility. Let's say, for example, I believed that fate brought Mr. Right to me here on CS, but he lives in East Faraway and we are half the world apart. If I believed in fate, am I not responsible to follow the signs I think I've been given, pack my belongings and board the first Farawayair flight? And, if I do so, aren't I now even bearing more responsibilities?
I don't believe in many things that I don't know for certain to exist, but I try to keep an open mind. With what you ask, though, I don't feel that I would live my life any differently. Responsibility for what we do always rests on our shoulders, as long as we are the ones taking a particular action.
I don't believe in many things that I don't know for certain to exist, but I try to keep an open mind. With what you ask, though, I don't feel that I would live my life any differently. Responsibility for what we do always rests on our shoulders, as long as we are the ones taking a particular action.
But doesn´t the fact that "fate" made you follow through take away the personal responsibility? If we do things because it seems like fate led us to the door... how are we being responsible? It then becomes an excuse if it goes poorly...
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jbibiza: That´s what I preach constantly... it´s a bit of a soap box issue for me! I get angry with people who sue for their own stupid mistakes, yes they get a big payout but at what cost? More control over your daily life. Until people are willing to take the responsibility for their own lives and their own decisions there can´t be any true freedom.
The attitude that so many Christians have of "giving it up to God" annoys the hell out of me. Waiting for a "higher power" to make your life better is ridiculous to me... we are all responsible for the good and bad things that happen in our lives.
I got into a bit of a discussion with people a couple of weeks ago regarding why they were divorced. I firmly believe that both parties are responsible. If the person you married winds up to be a cheater or a beater then you obviously didn´t know them well enough prior to getting married. They were that way all along and you made the decision to marry them and there for part of the responsibility is yours.
Ok... climbing off my soapbox now....
The attitude that so many Christians have of "giving it up to God" annoys the hell out of me. Waiting for a "higher power" to make your life better is ridiculous to me... we are all responsible for the good and bad things that happen in our lives.
I got into a bit of a discussion with people a couple of weeks ago regarding why they were divorced. I firmly believe that both parties are responsible. If the person you married winds up to be a cheater or a beater then you obviously didn´t know them well enough prior to getting married. They were that way all along and you made the decision to marry them and there for part of the responsibility is yours.
Ok... climbing off my soapbox now....
I can imagine that was a "bit of a discussion," JB!
A VERY unpopular - dare I say, "socially incorrect" - position to say that even the person being cheated on bears some of the responsibility for the relationship.My relationship "bible" states that there are no coincidences in relationships, and that whatever happens is the result, in part, of what we want and of our own judgment. I think this is probably true, but would qualify it thusly: We are responsible for "some part" of what happens bad (and good) in a relationship, and, perhaps more importantly, we are ultimately responsible for what happens in a relationship (for example, if a partner turns abusive, it is our responsibility to end it).
Getting rather afield of the thread's central question, but I felt I had to comment.
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Life is a bunch of random events tied together by other random events. Everything impacts us. Even supernatural elements (SE) as you like to call it does not impact us all the time. Time has proven to us that the SE allow us poor human to envolve with intervention from time-to-time. So how would I live my life under the circumstances? The same way I am doing it now. Nothing would change.
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jlb684: But isn't this exactly true, no matter whether or not one believes in unknown factors? If you believe in the things you mentioned (fate, astrology, twin souls, etc.), that belief doesn't remove responsibility for how we live our lives. In a way, it may even add more responsibility. Let's say, for example, I believed that fate brought Mr. Right to me here on CS, but he lives in East Faraway and we are half the world apart. If I believed in fate, am I not responsible to follow the signs I think I've been given, pack my belongings and board the first Farawayair flight? And, if I do so, aren't I now even bearing more responsibilities?
I don't believe in many things that I don't know for certain to exist, but I try to keep an open mind. With what you ask, though, I don't feel that I would live my life any differently. Responsibility for what we do always rests on our shoulders, as long as we are the ones taking a particular action.
I don't believe in many things that I don't know for certain to exist, but I try to keep an open mind. With what you ask, though, I don't feel that I would live my life any differently. Responsibility for what we do always rests on our shoulders, as long as we are the ones taking a particular action.
Well my "responsibility" statement was rather simplistic - begging for qualification - and I was afraid (or hoping for?) some analytically minded individual might take me to task for it.
Even Christians would say that we, having "free will," bear the responsibility for choosing Christ, etc. So my question is really about what we would do if there were no choices involving supernatural entities or things possible to us. The "responsibility" issue stands somewhat apart from that, as I think you correctly pointed out, Jeffrey.
I do, however, see a logical tension in the existence of "fate," "destiny" and "godly intervention" and self-determination. I don't see it as terribly meaningful to say that fate has decreed such and such, but I gotta be "man enough" to follow it...?
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Ambrose2007: I can imagine that was a "bit of a discussion," JB! A VERY unpopular - dare I say, "socially incorrect" - position to say that even the person being cheated on bears some of the responsibility for the relationship.
My relationship "bible" states that there are no coincidences in relationships, and that whatever happens is the result, in part, of what we want and of our own judgment. I think this is probably true, but would qualify it thusly: We are responsible for "some part" of what happens bad (and good) in a relationship, and, perhaps more importantly, we are ultimately responsible for what happens in a relationship (for example, if a partner turns abusive, it is our responsibility to end it).
Getting rather afield of the thread's central question, but I felt I had to comment.
My relationship "bible" states that there are no coincidences in relationships, and that whatever happens is the result, in part, of what we want and of our own judgment. I think this is probably true, but would qualify it thusly: We are responsible for "some part" of what happens bad (and good) in a relationship, and, perhaps more importantly, we are ultimately responsible for what happens in a relationship (for example, if a partner turns abusive, it is our responsibility to end it).
Getting rather afield of the thread's central question, but I felt I had to comment.
You´re right... it wasn´t a very popular opinion...
Sorry I went outside the scope of the initial post... to put it in a nut shell... I believe in personal responsibility and not blaming things on Karma, the stars, fate, or other people.------ This thread is Archived ------
Snuggs09: I believe in reincarnation but that you won't necesarily come back as a human being.
When I was a young girl walking up my street I had the feeling that I had been there before in a mystical way.
I don't believe in fate as I think we are in charge of how our life goes and not the sign of Tarus which I am. I am true to my sign, however, that might be just coincidence.
Many people on here believe in Karma, I don't. However, I do believe in "what goes around comes around" and that those who do us wrong will get their due eventually.
Basically, I think we are just here on earth, expected to handle our life, sometimes with the help of friends or medical professionals, but I don't expect the cards or astrological signs to guide me.
Yes, I believe it is just us. We here on CS discuss and have big opinions on various subjects. Those opinions are of who we are, not the cards and definitely not the stars.
When I was a young girl walking up my street I had the feeling that I had been there before in a mystical way.
I don't believe in fate as I think we are in charge of how our life goes and not the sign of Tarus which I am. I am true to my sign, however, that might be just coincidence.
Many people on here believe in Karma, I don't. However, I do believe in "what goes around comes around" and that those who do us wrong will get their due eventually.
Basically, I think we are just here on earth, expected to handle our life, sometimes with the help of friends or medical professionals, but I don't expect the cards or astrological signs to guide me.
Yes, I believe it is just us. We here on CS discuss and have big opinions on various subjects. Those opinions are of who we are, not the cards and definitely not the stars.
That's interesting, Snuggs - especially saying you don't believe in Karma while saying you do believe in "what goes around comes around," which captures the karmic concept pretty well, I think - but am I to take it that believing in reincarnation has NO effect on how you live or view your life?
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jbibiza: Ohhhhhh don´t get me started on confession!!!! Go to someone who represents an mythical being confess your sins and you are forgiven???? Where is the responsibility in that? I think the act of confession gives people more room to err against others. Why should a few words cleanse you of guilt if you have done wrong to another?
I fully agree. I was just using an example of religion and responsibility, but I do agree with you.
Now I have to go back and re-read Ambrose's reply to me. I think he's f***ing with my mind again!!
Need to focus, regroup, and get my thoughts and words together. 
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Ambrose2007: That's interesting, Snuggs - especially saying you don't believe in Karma while saying you do believe in "what goes around comes around," which captures the karmic concept pretty well, I think - but am I to take it that believing in reincarnation has NO effect on how you live or view your life?
I guess you made a point about Karma, so maybe I do believe in it.
As far as reincarnation, when my husband died in 1975 I never believed in ghosts or spirits. However, one night I was sitting in my daughter's bedroom and looked into the kitchen and swore that I saw a white "thing". I believed at the time that it was my husband's spirit.
Since then I am of the belief that he watches everything I do, and that makes me very, very uncomfortable, especially when I'm with a man. If I want to take it a step further, I would like to think that if I was with a man, there is a line where a spirit knows when not to look. I know this all sounds crazy but I am still afraid that my husband wouldn't like the way I live my life. He was very controlling when we were married and that fear still hangs with me.
So now you're all going to think I have a screw loose.
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jlb684: I fully agree. I was just using an example of religion and responsibility, but I do agree with you.
Now I have to go back and re-read Ambrose's reply to me. I think he's f***ing with my mind again!! Need to focus, regroup, and get my thoughts and words together.
Now I have to go back and re-read Ambrose's reply to me. I think he's f***ing with my mind again!! Need to focus, regroup, and get my thoughts and words together.
That would be like him...
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Ambrose2007: Well my "responsibility" statement was rather simplistic - begging for qualification - and I was afraid (or hoping for?) some analytically minded individual might take me to task for it.
Even Christians would say that we, having "free will," bear the responsibility for choosing Christ, etc. So my question is really about what we would do if there were no choices involving supernatural entities or things possible to us. The "responsibility" issue stands somewhat apart from that, as I think you correctly pointed out, Jeffrey.
I do, however, see a logical tension in the existence of "fate," "destiny" and "godly intervention" and self-determination. I don't see it as terribly meaningful to say that fate has decreed such and such, but I gotta be "man enough" to follow it...?
Even Christians would say that we, having "free will," bear the responsibility for choosing Christ, etc. So my question is really about what we would do if there were no choices involving supernatural entities or things possible to us. The "responsibility" issue stands somewhat apart from that, as I think you correctly pointed out, Jeffrey.
I do, however, see a logical tension in the existence of "fate," "destiny" and "godly intervention" and self-determination. I don't see it as terribly meaningful to say that fate has decreed such and such, but I gotta be "man enough" to follow it...?
Huh???
(just kidding)
If there were no choices involving supernatural entities, fate, godly intervention, etc., then it would seem to follow that there is a greater responsibility for our actions, if I am now interpreting your post more accurately. Actually, I don't like that I used the word "greater", for I still believe that we always bear responsibility, but I think I get where you're going here. And I think this goes along with what j (Ibiza) said previously. No fate, no religion, no astrological leanings, no kismet or karma....no excuses. And I think that those unknowns and somewhat mystical entities allow the believers a lot of room for interpretation, in many respects. I am always amused when I see, for example, following a football game, when the star quarterback of the winning team says that God was with them. I wonder, then, if God was rooting for the Redskins and made sure that the Eagles lost the game that day. It just doesn't compute. "God was with me"...."it's Allah's will"...."fate had a hand in it"...it all points to "it's not my fault."
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I would like to ask CSers, a la John Lennon, to imagine living with the knowledge that there are no supernatural entities, and further - for those New Agers among us (you know who you are...D
We just live in the world that we all see and know directly: a place where people relate, struggle,love, and accomplish things, but only from their own power - not because of fate or cosmic energies or the will of supernatural entities. It's just us and the world we make with our own flesh and blood and will.
How would you live your life under these circumstances?
(Of course I know that several will answer: "But I can't see life without these things - it would have no meaning! And I refuse to consider it!" Well, I can't do much about that except to ask that you suck it up and approach this difficult concept courageously.