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RE: What Is a Slut?- About Connotations

I'm off to bed now, but just want to say that we are apparently saying the same thing. I don't like labels or judgments by others and will continue to live my life as it suits me. I still don't like the words that some use to label others. Will I change who I am to accommodate others or societal expectations? Hell, no. But I won't embrace an ugly word. There are too many beautiful words to appreciate in life. I'm tired. Goodnight.

RE: What Is a Slut?- About Connotations

Do you not get the flaw in your statement?
If two thirds of women are sluts, what are the men who they are with?

Aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!

I'm not in the category that you submitted above (sleeping with every man on the street!), but let's get real here. Who are these women sleeping with?? Until men start to take similar responsibility for valuing their own worth (again, your words), do not judge the women that you slept with the night before.
Stay celibate or stay quiet.

RE: What Is a Slut?- About Connotations

Apologies for the previous mis-quote, Montecito. Thanks for correcting the attribution.

I'm glad you came back and I hope you're still here.

I fully respect your viewpoint, I truly do. Yet I still take issue with what you have expressed above. You wrote:

BUT, if I have a close girlfriend who is ruining her life by sleeping around, I would be remiss not to make her aware of how it will ruin her life. I wouldn't be a good friend if I didn't tell her she's acting like a slut...

I wrote a lot after this, then erased it. Basically, I just don't see it the same way as you. If your friend's behavior is unacceptable to you, distance yourself. Otherwise, calling her a slut is certainly not going to strengthen the bonds of friendship. Is she hurting anyone? You don't like what she does and I get this. But does it affect you? If you're uncomfortable with the association, then break it. Otherwise, if she is truly your friend, then you must be one to her. And calling her a slut won't typically seal the deal. I'm tired, so my comment may not be as cohesive as I would like it to be. Again, though, I respect your viewpoint.

RE: What Is a Slut?- About Connotations

So I should embrace the word "slut" and say that it now holds a more favorable meaning because I'm ok with it? No, BB, I don't buy that. By the same token, should I embrace the word "old" because I am the age that I am? Is it ok to be called "fat" by those who are thinner than me (of which there are MANY)? Certain words are, in and of themselves, negative assessments or characterizations of others. And they won't go away, but nor will they be turned positive. But I get your drift.

You say that the meaning of words changes over time. Maybe. After generations, perhaps...or millenia. However, in this era, the word "slut" is still very defamatory and I would still prefer to disassociate myself from such a name. It is highly unlikely that, in my lifetime, I will embrace this term and it will be viewed more favorably. And so, for now, "slut" is a demeaning and horrible word and I'd still rather not be called one....even if, by definition, I AM one.

RE: What Is a Slut?- About Connotations

Actually, I fully agree. I, too, enjoy male company that has nothing to do with s*xual potential. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that the same is true in reverse. Many times, the men who I view as friends...those with whom I would love to have dinner or a coffee...have a different agenda. Just a few nights ago, I met up with a male friend; just the two of us for a couple of drinks and conversation. When I was ready to leave, things got sticky. I gave him the standard European kiss on each cheek, he wanted something else. I was highly disappointed. Why couldn't we just be friends? I still puzzle over the whole concept of male/female friendships. Yes, it's possible, but I don't think we're always on the same page in this regard.

bouquet

RE: What Is a Slut?- About Connotations

This is an interesting comment, amah. In fact, labeling those that you know well is no different than labeling strangers. Labels are applied to others as a judgment, no matter how well you know the individual(s). When we judge others, we do so from our perspective...and so be it; you have every right to have your viewpoint. But, as for me, I prefer not to judge what others do -- or to label anyone; rather, I prefer to live the life that suits me and let them live theirs. If I want to sleep with a different man each night or if I choose instead to sleep alone each night...or, finally, if I choose to have the occasional s*xual experience with a select few now and then...what difference does it make to anyone but me and those who may (or may NOT) share my bed?

Personally, I hate the dichotomy. I could be labeled a slut, by some people's definition. When I am in a relationship, I am 100% faithful and would never cheat on my partner. When not in a relationship, I'm not so keen on total celibacy and so I choose partners who are of a similar mindset; neither wants or expects a lasting, permanent relationship, but we are mutually attracted and desirous of spending time together. I'll be honest here....for me, if I'm willing to spend 3 or 4 hours with a man, I'm willing to sleep with him. And by this I mean that I would rather NOT spend time with a man if I'm not drawn to him fully -- intellectually and physically. This doesn't happen often. But when it does, I want to take him to my bed. So, am I a slut?

Why do we, as women, deny our sexuality and allow such defamations of character to persist? Men don't hold the monopoly on having s*xual desires.

For the pollster....I hate the word "slut". Until there is an equivalent term for men, do not judge. Or else, sleep alone.

RE: The beatles: the best song

In My Life....I tell my sons that this is the song I want played when I die. In My Life, I've Loved Them All.

RE: Greatest Album of ALL Time

For me, it's a toss-up: Sergeant Pepper or Revolver. In either case, for me, it's all about The Beatles.

RE: Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead!

Yes, that's it. Operation Geronimo!
Thanks, Time!

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

My ignorance here...
What is PTB?

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

Oh, if I only had a dollar for every time a man invited me into a chicken coop with him!!!





(I'd now be up $1.00!)laugh

RE: Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead!

Ooohhh, I heard the name of the operation earlier today, but didn't commit it to memory. There is a name for it. Will see if I can find it and I'll let you know if I do.

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

Just to be clear, I asked for proof because that has been the premise of all those who have an opposite viewpoint from mine. If proof is requested that he indeed was killed on May 1 as reported, why are those who oppose this premise not held to provide proof that he was NOT killed that night? I'm only asking for the same thing.

As for the rest, I don't agree with you. Pure and simple. Your opinion is as worthy of being heard as mine is....hopefully, without hostility.

Oh, and here's a video of him from 2004, aired on Al Jazeera. Unfortunately, there's an advertisement to endure at the beginning:

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

quite normally so, as that is what "media" is all about and none of us were eyeswitnesses)...

ugh. I hate when I mis-spell. Eyewitnesses.

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

I think it's been said previously, but WHAT WE ARE TOLD (and I capitalized that for emphasis, highlighting the fact that I DO recognize that we are getting our information in this manner... quite normally so, as that is what "media" is all about and none of us were eyeswitnesses)...but I digress....
What we are told is that bin Laden was also shooting, so an arrest MAY not have been an option, anyway. But, let's face it.. you don't send Special Forces in to make an arrest, right? So, yeah...I believe that the mission was clearly to take him out, and I believe we did just that. As for video of the operation, I believe also that there is such evidence. The President, the Vice President, and most of the Cabinet were watching the operation as it ensued. And I find this TRULY interesting...not because of the picture of them watching it, but because of WHERE they were watching it. That small room (if you've seen the picture) was clearly NOT the Situation Room. They were fairly well crammed in to a room that we've never seen in other pictures, to my recollection. So what do I take from this? I think that they were in a different, less visible location so as to keep the mission as covert and tightly held as possible. All of the Cabinet members being herded into the Situation Room late on Sunday night would have raised some flags and they wanted to avoid any visibility.

I could go on and on, but at the end of the day, we will likely not see eye to eye.

But that's ok with me. The thing about beliefs is that we all hold to those that feel right for us, regardless of what others believe. That doesn't make mine more right than yours (although it IS! LOL).

Cheers,
wine

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

Well, if all are invited....we may not stay virgins for long! laugh

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

I'm working on regaining my virginity....another few months or so and I should be there. laugh

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

BB, you've taken the opposite tack...I ask what proof you would require that he WAS killed 2 nights ago? Seeing him live on Oprah would highly DIS-prove it.

I ask what proof would convince you that we did as we said we did...and when we said we did it?

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

Make it 350 and we've got a deal. laugh Hiya, Boban! wave

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

All I want to know, from all those who believe that either (a) he died years ago, or (b) he's not dead even now...
What would it take to convince you?
Seriously...what do you need to see or hear that would seal the deal and convince you that this operation took place and that he was indeed killed during that operation?

I find it amusing that many claim to want "proof", yet offer none of their own in support of their claims. Where's the proof that he died in 2003? Where's the proof that he's alive even now?

What evidence would you require to change your opinion?

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

My "Yeah, right!" was not the sarcastic kind of reply....I was agreeing. hug

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

Yeah, right! (Loved your "Bay of Pigs" comment, by the way!) rolling on the floor laughing

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

Yes, it is different when you're a potential target. I know this all too well myself, though (luckily) I haven't been a victim, though many of my colleagues have, over the years. A great number of my colleagues were killed in U.S. Embassy bombings that Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for, among many other attacks. Today in Nairobi, there were tears of joy...

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

It has been less than 24 hours since this operation took place. I can only imagine what's going on behind the scenes as we all sit and discuss this. Hours and hours of debriefing, photo analysis, intelligence analysis and reporting, probably even a little time for the individuals involved to do a little celebrating and catch some sleep. I believe that there is no way that they would have tossed him into the sea without having all the proof and evidence needed. Nor do I believe that it was a spur-of-the-moment decision to do so. The choreography of this event didn't happen within the last 24 hours with haphazard last-minute decisions. These decisions would have been made well in advance of the operation.

Seriously think about this, J. Do you REALLY think that someone said "Hey, guys, now that we've got his body, what shall we do with it?" And someone replies, "Hell, let's toss him in the water!" Another one seconds that motion and so they did it that way? Oh, no, no, no. This would have been already planned. He wanted to be a martyr; we denied him the opportunity to have flowers and candles and letters and photos exhibited at a gravesite, no matter where it may have been. I'm quite ok with that call.

(And thanks for the discount on the swampland!) hug

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

Now we're heading towards a new debate, aren't we? (By the way... LOVED the pics on Boom-Boom's thread!).
The debate would be whether or not the ends justify the means. It is my personal opinion that in this case, the ends DID justify the means. Bin Laden has been the number one target for years now, and in my mind, rightfully so. I'm not so naive to believe that cutting off the head will kill the animal, but I have no shame in admitting that I'm glad that he's dead. We wanted him and we got him. Had he died a natural death, we certainly would never have heard the end of it from around the globe. Many won't agree with me, and I'm ok with that...but we NEEDED to get him. And I, for one, am quite pleased that the last thing he saw was an American Navy Seal pointing his gun at his head.
And wave and bouquet to you, too!

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

How much do you want for that swampland, J? Checkbook is in hand.

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

Simply, because the order was to kill him.

RE: lies about barak obama.......

No, not here...but perhaps a little villa on Santorini or Kefalonia? hug I'm off to bed now. Goodnight, dear Freddy.

RE: lies about barak obama.......

Understood. Cheers. bouquet

RE: lies about barak obama.......

You may snicker, but I am actually in position to do exactly as I say. I don't make idle promises. I sincerely doubt that Trump would ever be elected President, but if I am wrong...
Hell, yes....I will indeed put my money where my mouth is. I would not live in a country that would put him in our highest office. No f***ing way.

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