What has Obama Accomplished so far? (180)
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Magenta: Getting the energy companies to provide the infrastructure of large solar power cells and wind turbines on public (already cleared)+ privately owned land and kw usage charged.
There is a proposal to do this already here in AU, with 60 wind turbines on a privately owned farm that could power up to 200,000 homes.
The farm owners are being compensated with a hefty financial lease agreement, and the impact on the day 2 day running of their farm is minimal
Hi! Who pays for the "hefty financial lease agreement"?There is a proposal to do this already here in AU, with 60 wind turbines on a privately owned farm that could power up to 200,000 homes.
The farm owners are being compensated with a hefty financial lease agreement, and the impact on the day 2 day running of their farm is minimal
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What has Obama Accomplished so far?
Nothing positive so far. Unless you want bigger government and
enough debt to last us 3 generations (maybe 4) not to mention the
fact that he and his staff are so partisan that it's going to....
In short, No change and government as usual..
I knew it's only been 7 months but you can't fix the economy
by adding more debt! After seeing the first 7 I really dread
the next 42
Nothing positive so far. Unless you want bigger government and
enough debt to last us 3 generations (maybe 4) not to mention the
fact that he and his staff are so partisan that it's going to....
In short, No change and government as usual..
I knew it's only been 7 months but you can't fix the economy
by adding more debt! After seeing the first 7 I really dread
the next 42
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Zeelander: I am serious here... if you would like to Bash Obama that will be the next thread. Right now I would like bullet points on what he has actually done so far.
Also, getting Bush out of office isn't something Obama did, Bush's term limit was up.
Im not sure he has really had time to do much besides go to russia.Also, getting Bush out of office isn't something Obama did, Bush's term limit was up.
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BebeII: Hi! Who pays for the "hefty financial lease agreement"?
Hi bebe! Sorry for the delayed response, had washing to hang out, fold up and put away while the sun was shining! (Brrr winter!)
The energy companies pay for the leases.
I'm not sure of the exact spenditure to get it up and running and for the continued lease agreement, but it seems a win/win situation for all.
Company makes money
Farmers get subsidised (and with the drought hitting hard its a godsend for the lucky ones with suitable property)
Consumers get that warm fuzzy feeling of minimising their carbon footprint
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Hi Magenta, You are spot on with the wind farms, we have one near here called Sultana Point, it provides enough power for 150000 homes. The setup cost was 95 million dollars , but all the information was that it would pay for itself within 4 years.You are correct with the farmers subsidies and , the comapnies also erect new fencing, roads, accesses etc for the farmers , plus there is added security which the farmers love
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rcar2: What has Obama Accomplished so far?
Nothing positive so far. Unless you want bigger government and
enough debt to last us 3 generations (maybe 4) not to mention the
fact that he and his staff are so partisan that it's going to....
In short, No change and government as usual..
I knew it's only been 7 months but you can't fix the economy
by adding more debt! After seeing the first 7 I really dread
the next 42
Nothing positive so far. Unless you want bigger government and
enough debt to last us 3 generations (maybe 4) not to mention the
fact that he and his staff are so partisan that it's going to....
In short, No change and government as usual..
I knew it's only been 7 months but you can't fix the economy
by adding more debt! After seeing the first 7 I really dread
the next 42
Can u read the OP again?
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steven6611: Hi Magenta, You are spot on with the wind farms, we have one near here called Sultana Point, it provides enough power for 150000 homes. The setup cost was 95 million dollars , but all the information was that it would pay for itself within 4 years.
You are correct with the farmers subsidies and , the comapnies also erect new fencing, roads, accesses etc for the farmers , plus there is added security which the farmers love
You are correct with the farmers subsidies and , the comapnies also erect new fencing, roads, accesses etc for the farmers , plus there is added security which the farmers love
Hey steve!
Awesome another aussie here on the political pundits pondering posts!
Might i add bird in flight deaths are quite minimal aswell, with only 3 deaths expected per turbine per annum
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yes, Oh and the myth they make a lot of noise thats rubbish. I dont know what the lease fee arrangement is, they have a lifespan of 35-50 years though. It is amazing standing under the tower though.------ This thread is Archived ------
When I was living in California back in the 80's, there was a wind power generation farm north of Los Angeles where only a couple of all the wind turbines were running. I was told that environmentalists pushed for the state state funds to create it to create wind energy, but later other environmentalists had it shut down because it was killing sea birds.
Poor planning on everyones part and Millions of dollars wasted.
Poor planning on everyones part and Millions of dollars wasted.
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Bush did not ban stem cell research, only parts of it that pertained to embryonic. Doctors and scientists said that embryonic research was actually yielding the least amount of advancements to date. Bush was just trying to pervent the farming of human eggs for profit, sorta like selling body parts for profit.
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ttom500: The new GM just got $20b from the FED, Zee. Looks like they will have coin in the bank to pay salaries and wages.
But why would anyone spend $20 billion dollars to save a company that is only worth $2 billion dollars? GM is going to fail in the long run because of the lawsuits against the UAW for conflict of interest. Is the UAW going to work in the best interest of the workers when UAW now has interest in making a profit?
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Zeelander: It has been 2 hours and no one has come up with one accomplishment?
come on, he has had to do at least one thing right.
come on, he has had to do at least one thing right.
The audience for the Obama threads, Zee, aren't interested in promoting him or seeing the good in him (except for Dude). Mostly it is right wing doomsayers who have been hostile to him since day 1 or before....for various reasons some rational and some completely irrational. Most of the Obama defenders in here just say give him a chance and that he seems better than the last guy. They defend against the ridiculously high hatred levels from some Americans for their own President. They DON'T think Obama is god's gift, despite what the haters say here. So this thread will only really draw the usual suspects.
For me, he has already improved American standing in the world which will help with your security in the longer run. The "apologising" that some on here think is national betrayal, is helpful in showing humility and fairness and gives him and the US credibility when they take a moral stance on issues. After Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and Baghram the US had no standing with which to lecture others on human rights.
JMO
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Zeelander: When I was living in California back in the 80's, there was a wind power generation farm north of Los Angeles where only a couple of all the wind turbines were running. I was told that environmentalists pushed for the state state funds to create it to create wind energy, but later other environmentalists had it shut down because it was killing sea birds.
Poor planning on everyones part and Millions of dollars wasted.
Poor planning on everyones part and Millions of dollars wasted.
Thats a shame it didnt work out.
I think bird flight deaths are very minimal, and we just have 2 b aware that the only other alternative is solar. But with a massive plant only not undertaken here in AU, the cost effectiveness and lifespan of the cells must b taken into account.
On the stem cell issue u are correct it is embryonic that obama has given approval too, and i should have clarified a bit better to include that info. In AU alot of studies are of the opinion that embryonic is more pre-potent than organ stem cells
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The audience for the Obama threads, Zee, aren't interested in promoting him or seeing the good in him (except for Dude). Mostly it is right wing doomsayers who have been hostile to him since day 1 or before....for various reasons some rational and some completely irrational. Most of the Obama defenders in here just say give him a chance and that he seems better than the last guy. They defend against the ridiculously high hatred levels from some Americans for their own President. They DON'T think Obama is god's gift, despite what the haters say here. So this thread will only really draw the usual suspects.
For me, he has already improved American standing in the world which will help with your security in the longer run. (quote)
Altho it does seem to alot of US citz hes only worried about the world, i am sure he is working hard to do the right thing by his fellow countrymen.
(Now i wait the incoming!)
For me, he has already improved American standing in the world which will help with your security in the longer run. (quote)
Altho it does seem to alot of US citz hes only worried about the world, i am sure he is working hard to do the right thing by his fellow countrymen.
(Now i wait the incoming!)
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Magenta: The audience for the Obama threads, Zee, aren't interested in promoting him or seeing the good in him (except for Dude). Mostly it is right wing doomsayers who have been hostile to him since day 1 or before....for various reasons some rational and some completely irrational. Most of the Obama defenders in here just say give him a chance and that he seems better than the last guy. They defend against the ridiculously high hatred levels from some Americans for their own President. They DON'T think Obama is god's gift, despite what the haters say here. So this thread will only really draw the usual suspects.
For me, he has already improved American standing in the world which will help with your security in the longer run. (quote)
Altho it does seem to alot of US citz hes only worried about the world, i am sure he is working hard to do the right thing by his fellow countrymen.
(Now i wait the incoming!)
For me, he has already improved American standing in the world which will help with your security in the longer run. (quote)
Altho it does seem to alot of US citz hes only worried about the world, i am sure he is working hard to do the right thing by his fellow countrymen.
(Now i wait the incoming!)
I can understand that US citizens might feel that. But if one of your Commander in Chief's roles is to improve your security, making friends as opposed to enemies is a good place to start.
I am sure many here will explain how good/disasterous his US economic policy is, but I don't see reason to think your Government isn't trying hard. It is the contempt shown by some of your fellow citizens for EVERYTHING that he or his Government might try that baffles me.
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Fallingman: I can understand that US citizens might feel that. But if one of your Commander in Chief's roles is to improve your security, making friends as opposed to enemies is a good place to start.
I am sure many here will explain how good/disasterous his US economic policy is, but I don't see reason to think your Government isn't trying hard. It is the contempt shown by some of your fellow citizens for EVERYTHING that he or his Government might try that baffles me.
I am sure many here will explain how good/disasterous his US economic policy is, but I don't see reason to think your Government isn't trying hard. It is the contempt shown by some of your fellow citizens for EVERYTHING that he or his Government might try that baffles me.
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Zeelander: But why would anyone spend $20 billion dollars to save a company that is only worth $2 billion dollars? GM is going to fail in the long run because of the lawsuits against the UAW for conflict of interest. Is the UAW going to work in the best interest of the workers when UAW now has interest in making a profit?
Zee, I don't know. It is one of those tomorrow questions in waters we have never been before. Some firms have done employee owned programs that were successful. Delta is a good example....succcessful for quiet a time as employeed own.
As a factory worker for a time, myself....I hear what you are saying.
The union represents the worker and management represents the ownership group.
I was for the gov't loan programs...they made more sense to me than the bailouts. Companies would borrow what they needed to survive.
The bailouts all seem to these large dollar figures that seem to mystically come from gov't. How gov't is coming up with the figures has not really been explained very well.
Yes, President Obama has been transparent on the money. But not so much the process of how they coming to the amounts.
In other words, it could be....I have hat....and put big numbers on paper slips in it....and draw out a slip when needed....:-)
It is the same concept of the shoe box were one put the glass jar were one puts his bills owed.:-) Just on the billion dollar level.:-)
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Fallingman: I can understand that US citizens might feel that. But if one of your Commander in Chief's roles is to improve your security, making friends as opposed to enemies is a good place to start.
I am sure many here will explain how good/disasterous his US economic policy is, but I don't see reason to think your Government isn't trying hard. It is the contempt shown by some of your fellow citizens for EVERYTHING that he or his Government might try that baffles me.
I am sure many here will explain how good/disasterous his US economic policy is, but I don't see reason to think your Government isn't trying hard. It is the contempt shown by some of your fellow citizens for EVERYTHING that he or his Government might try that baffles me.
Fallingman....something we (the United States)have learned over the years. There are groups of people in the world that dislike us to the extend that they will kill us when given the chance. No matter how much kissing up we will do or to who.....they will hate us. So 'making friends' is not necessarily the high priority here when it comes to National Security of our country.
Most of us would rather look our friends in the eyes, acknowledge that these people exist. And figure ways to halt them. Because they are threat to our friends as well. There we have a large common ground and solid purpose.
But going around the world ..just to make friends...specially if making friends is done mostly with a check book....does not make for a good and healthy friendship. The sugar daddy relationship comes to mind.
I think that there are some good people within the Obama administration that are trying and trying hard. I also think that there are some people within his administration that are very ideological locked to liberal positions....they think that check book will win us friends around the world.
The other side of this is like WWII's D-Day...where the English, Americans and Canadians had a common reason and dedicated goal...to work together and to take big risks together.
I would rather have a dedicated friend than a bought one, any day of the week, Fallingman.
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Zeelander: But why would anyone spend $20 billion dollars to save a company that is only worth $2 billion dollars? GM is going to fail in the long run because of the lawsuits against the UAW for conflict of interest. Is the UAW going to work in the best interest of the workers when UAW now has interest in making a profit?
Exactly right about the UAW. Because of their bloated wages and pension plans, each American auto has $3K attached vs. a comparable auto from non-union companies like Toyota, Nissan, Honda, etc. Those Japanese (and other) manufacturers chose to locate their manufacturing centers in RIGHT TO WORK STATES, where they are not shaken down by corrupt and bloated Unions, and still pay their workers very good wages.
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