druidess6308: I know you'll heal eventually. Just remember, it's not your job to make anyone else happy, just yourself. It has to come from within.
Hi Dru, good topic and much wisdom. Just want to comment further on the above. I kind of see what you mean but also we know a LTR can require a fair amount of investment of personal time, patience, consideration etc to maintain the status quo and keep the stimulus going to ensure harmony and happiness for both. So I don't think is all about focusing on one's self.
Now is the time to focus on ourselves, as many of us are doing here and filling a void, we have plenty time on our hands !
Another point on the "broken" topic. When a marriage fails and kids are involved it is not just the break down between a man and a woman, it is a whole family unit, a kind of state of being, a loving, bonding entity. A chosen way of life beyond the bonds of just two lovers. Losing this can hit as hard as a bereavement. It can never be brought back, it's gone, kaput, defunked.
This is a seperate issue really from relationships but it can be a factor and responsible for a negative and sadened persona.
For me, I am lucky and have a great single parent relationship with my kids as does my ex and we are always united regarding the welfare of our children. I don't fit into the catagory above anymore. My excuse for my present singledom is the reluctance of putting in all that effort again because time has proven that every attempt at long term love has failed in the past ..... now who here can disagree with that statement ?
Got the love batteries still on re-charge but doing ok and being patient, got some time to indulge in myself for the first time in my life really and kind of getting to like it and appreciating it's value, better not get into that habit too much or I'm done for romantically speaking perhaps. Time will tell.
RDM59: Hi Dru, good topic and much wisdom. Just want to comment further on the above. I kind of see what you mean but also we know a LTR can require a fair amount of investment of personal time, patience, consideration etc to maintain the status quo and keep the stimulus going to ensure harmony and happiness for both. So I don't think is all about focusing on one's self.
Now is the time to focus on ourselves, as many of us are doing here and filling a void, we have plenty time on our hands !
Another point on the "broken" topic. When a marriage fails and kids are involved it is not just the break down between a man and a woman, it is a whole family unit, a kind of state of being, a loving, bonding entity. A chosen way of life beyond the bonds of just two lovers. Losing this can hit as hard as a bereavement. It can never be brought back, it's gone, kaput, defunked.
This is a seperate issue really from relationships but it can be a factor and responsible for a negative and sadened persona.
For me, I am lucky and have a great single parent relationship with my kids as does my ex and we are always united regarding the welfare of our children. I don't fit into the catagory above anymore. My excuse for my present singledom is the reluctance of putting in all that effort again because time has proven that every attempt at long term love has failed in the past ..... now who here can disagree with that statement ?
Got the love batteries still on re-charge but doing ok and being patient, got some time to indulge in myself for the first time in my life really and kind of getting to like it and appreciating it's value, better not get into that habit too much or I'm done for romantically speaking perhaps. Time will tell.
A good point on the break-up of a family unit, and the feeling of loss that carries. I've been there, as well. Ten years now for that one...and thankfully, my sons and I still have a great relationship despite their father's attempts to drive wedges between us. But I haven't let it keep me in a saddened state...that's not healthy for me or my sons, and they want me to be happy again. I haven't let widowhood do that either, it's just not who I am. But I have learned to move slower.
Yes, every attempt at a LTR has failed for me in the past, but I'm a different person now than I was then. A much healthier one, though I still have some work to do. If we learn and grow from our past mistakes, then I believe we can move forward to enjoy a LTR again, and make it work this time.
I know what you mean about getting to like indulging in yourself for the first time, though. I am as well...and yet, I don't intend to remain off of the market for too long, just long enough to finish healing. As you said, I don't want to get too set in my ways and thereby have too much difficulty sharing my life again either. It's all about balance, my friend.
I would really like to Thank everyone for continuing this thread and sharing their experiences. I have learned alot. I firmly believe we learn about ourselves through other people.
Scubadiva: So my contribution to this thread is that there are instances when people aren't even aware of what emotional issues they carry with them. I used to think I had it all figured out, but I'm here to tell you that it takes time and sometimes a bad experience to really figure out where to look and how to deal.
In response to: There's an old saying that misery loves company, and I suppose it's true. There are people out there that I call broken people. Some call them hurt people. They are the ones who have been so hurt that they can't get past it, though they say that they are, and they get into relationships, but end up hurting those that do fall in love with them.
Many of us have been broken, or hurt, people at some point or another, or we wouldn't be here. But have you truly done the work to heal and be prepared to move into a healthy relationship? Or do you still have work to do?
Why do those who are still broken, or still hurting, seek relationships with others before finishing their inner work? I know it happens, because the fall-out happens here in threads about "if someone did this to you...", the "why do all men/women" threads, and also in the bitterness that others spew onto us all at times.
Just some thoughts that a friend and I have been discussing, and I wanted to see what others had to say.
It took me seven years to get it together, and I am the better person for it. See if we are not happy with ourselves then we damn sure can not be happy with another person.
Sometimes it is hard to see how angry we are until someone else points it out. But then it is too late... feelings are crushed and hearts are broken.
I have always said, experiences make us grow. I think being compassionate is not looking for misery is just a human feeling that we have. I will not be with someone feeling pitty for him because that is not love. Just accepting the person as he is. You can never fix someone to your expectations but both can work around things to make things happen for the better. When that can't happen their is no reason to be together. I am in the healing process and definetly I won't be searching again until my heart tells me I'm ready.
rodolpho: If a vase is broken you can glue it back together. But there's always a crack.
Hey dont bent over now I can see ur crack
The past, our experiences, and our broken hearts contribute to who we are. None of that can and will go away. How we elect to deal with it today and into tomorrow determines our mental happiness. It also places those "cracks" for all to see.
I am made up of my good experiences and the bad ones. The happy moments and my sad moments. None of us gets to go through life with only good ones.
I don't linger in the past. I live today and look forward to tomorrow, but not so much that I don't enjoy the journey on the way to it.
rodolphoamsterdam, North Holland Netherlands3,401 posts
Big_John: The past, our experiences, and our broken hearts contribute to who we are. None of that can and will go away. How we elect to deal with it today and into tomorrow determines our mental happiness. It also places those "cracks" for all to see.
I am made up of my good experiences and the bad ones. The happy moments and my sad moments. None of us gets to go through life with only good ones.
I don't linger in the past. I live today and look forward to tomorrow, but not so much that I don't enjoy the journey on the way to it.
yOU DO HAVE NICE THINGS TO SAY.
And you are a gentleman, But I cant agree with you to disagree,sorry
We all go through many different phases throughout our whole lives..Things that will bring us down and then things that will bring us up again.. We as mere mortals are basically ALL a work in progress.
SuzyJThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands214 posts
The thing is that the process of self change and self evolution never really ends does it? So how does one know when one is 'done' and able to progress....if I waited until I was fully healed and perfectly ready to begin any relationship I'd live a life of solitude until the end of my days...sometimes you just have to take the plunge whether you're ready or not I think...
I kind of try to approach life like this - whenever I try to organise a perfect night out/party or event for a group of friends it just seems like everything that can go wrong does, yet when things happen without me paying much attention to it, on the spur of the moment I and my friends end up having the best times together...I kind fo think life, love and the universe is like this. If we over analyse ourselves and our lives and think too much about what we're doing we set ourselves up for failure...when life occurs naturally all things we need/want eventually flow to us. I haven't exactly perfected the technique yet but I'm trying all the time to not try too hard and force things.
rodolphoamsterdam, North Holland Netherlands3,401 posts
SuzyJ: The thing is that the process of self change and self evolution never really ends does it? So how does one know when one is 'done' and able to progress....if I waited until I was fully healed and perfectly ready to begin any relationship I'd live a life of solitude until the end of my days...sometimes you just have to take the plunge whether you're ready or not I think...
I kind of try to approach life like this - whenever I try to organise a perfect night out/party or event for a group of friends it just seems like everything that can go wrong does, yet when things happen without me paying much attention to it, on the spur of the moment I and my friends end up having the best times together...I kind fo think life, love and the universe is like this. If we over analyse ourselves and our lives and think too much about what we're doing we set ourselves up for failure...when life occurs naturally all things we need/want eventually flow to us. I haven't exactly perfected the technique yet but I'm trying all the time to not try too hard and force things.
I thought you were dutch but you turn out to be scotfree....
Big_John: The past, our experiences, and our broken hearts contribute to who we are. None of that can and will go away. How we elect to deal with it today and into tomorrow determines our mental happiness. It also places those "cracks" for all to see.
I am made up of my good experiences and the bad ones. The happy moments and my sad moments. None of us gets to go through life with only good ones.
I don't linger in the past. I live today and look forward to tomorrow, but not so much that I don't enjoy the journey on the way to it.
Well said Big John.
But sometimes the journey is on a rocky road with alot of pot holes. But I guess as long as you keep going, that grassy meadow is that much closer.
SuzyJThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands214 posts
rodolpho: I thought you were dutch but you turn out to be scotfree....
Im broken
What wise words you always have.
damnit now im jealous tooooooooooooooooooo
Oh my...Im such a mix I don't even know what I am anymore!...take your pick - romanian, italian, irish, english, scottish and probably somewhat dutch these days ...a nationality for every day of the week....
Just stay away from italian Suzy if you don't like it too hot...she can be scary I've heard
rodolphoamsterdam, North Holland Netherlands3,401 posts
SuzyJ: Oh my...Im such a mix I don't even know what I am anymore!...take your pick - romanian, italian, irish, english, scottish and probably somewhat dutch these days ...a nationality for every day of the week....
Just stay away from italian Suzy if you don't like it too hot...she can be scary I've heard
druidess6308: There's an old saying that misery loves company, and I suppose it's true. There are people out there that I call broken people. Some call them hurt people. They are the ones who have been so hurt that they can't get past it, though they say that they are, and they get into relationships, but end up hurting those that do fall in love with them.
Many of us have been broken, or hurt, people at some point or another, or we wouldn't be here. But have you truly done the work to heal and be prepared to move into a healthy relationship? Or do you still have work to do?
Why do those who are still broken, or still hurting, seek relationships with others before finishing their inner work? I know it happens, because the fall-out happens here in threads about "if someone did this to you...", the "why do all men/women" threads, and also in the bitterness that others spew onto us all at times.
Just some thoughts that a friend and I have been discussing, and I wanted to see what others had to say.
Thats why people dont progress, because they are living in the past and see and project themselves as victims of their circumstances.........they live the rest of their lives as victims as they dont allow themselves to be healed of the past......
thoose of us that have been hurt and are broken I don't know if we ever truely mend completely but i think we try even if trying only leads us back down the same road.I've been hurt by everyone i've ever dated and they have all hurt me and so far i haven't found any different but i am not willing to give up looking because i have allways been told there is someone for everyone even if they are hiding under a rock in egypt or in the bathroom in california they are out there. so never give up hope
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I agree, good point!!