bestbeforesomewhere, Dorset, England UK4,701 posts
My recent dreams have been so predictable of my present circumstances as to be uncanny.I am therefore of the conclusion that what you think about before sleep CAN manifest itself into your dreams.
I have learned a lot from them and am able to make positive and sensible decisions about my life because of them.J.M.O.
Englishman55OPSalisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
ladyfingers: Have you ever been dreaming and awakened and then went back to sleep into the same dream?
....or ever continued on the next night just like with another chapter in a book?
....or had a nightmare, awoke, thought about it and went back to sleep and changed the ending?
Hello Lady,
Wow, can you do all of those. I must have a brain the size of a peanut, because I have always wanted too, but no matter how hard I try it just doesn't happen. Or maybe I'm just trying to hard.
On your first point, how do you know that you actually awoke, or maybe you just dreamt that you did, and continued the dream.
The same with the nightmare.
Either way, my brain obviously works on a different level than yours. Some people say I only see things/life in black and white, which may account for my brain not accepting any other solutions to a dream.
How about you..... I would venture to suggest that you are one of those fortunate people who sees life's grey areas !!
Englishman55: Thanks for that Ooby, It does answer why I can find a solution to a problem with just a good nights sleep, and I have always been a believer in the saying..... "Lets just sleep on it" when I have a problem. The solution usually becomes clear or at least the problem is not so large.
Maybe you could answer my other question !! Why is it that my dreams always seem to end just when it's getting to the good/best bit. ?
It's so bloody frustrating and happens frequently. Rarely do I get to the happy ending or the gruesome bit, and I'm left hanging as to what happens next. I have often tied to restart such dreams the following night, but usually can't remember exactly what happened. How frustrating is that ?
Frustrating ain't it? Maybe it's some defense mechanism to keep you from waking up all sticky.
I've heard something which may be just so much BS that people dream about falling off a cliff or tall building but wake up before they hit the ground because if they actually did get killed in their dream they would actually die for real. But how could you ever prove such a thing?
ooby_dooby: Frustrating ain't it? Maybe it's some defense mechanism to keep you from waking up all sticky.
I've heard something which may be just so much BS that people dream about falling off a cliff or tall building but wake up before they hit the ground because if they actually did get killed in their dream they would actually die for real. But how could you ever prove such a thing?
When I tore the muscles in my shoulder, I was in excruciating pain and couldn't sleep. When my body shut down (aka forced sleep lasting 2-3 hours), I had the most vivid nightmares. I remember two of them.
In one, I was chased by the Mafia and shot. When the bullet hit, I screamed for help. I actually screamed in real life and woke up my son who in turn came and woke me up. I was drenched in sweat, panting, completely unaware that I also screamed in reality. So in my dream I was dying but not in real life. So there was a physical response (elevated blood pressure, rapid heart beat, sweating, exhaustion, involuntary screaming) while asleep.
In another instance, I was trying to escape from a cabin in a sinking ship and drowned. Again, the in the dream, I experienced intense fright of death and woke up gulping for air. Again, a real involuntary physical response to the brain activity.
This leads me to believe that in extreme situations, a person with a weak heart or in a fragile state of health, could possibly suffer a heart attack if the dream is experienced intensely due to the involuntary physical responses.
The Doc put me on Oxycodone to depress the central nervous system so that my brain would not recognize the pain at night, thus allowing me to sleep 6-7 hours without dreaming until the injury healed.
Point: I think that an intensely felt dream can bring about death if a person is unhealthy, but I do not believe that if a person dies in his/her dream they also die in real life. When the person dies in the dream, the person enters a different state of sleep or possibly becomes temporarily unconscious and therefore wouldn't even be able to remember that they died in their dream.
Scubadiva: When I tore the muscles in my shoulder, I was in excruciating pain and couldn't sleep. When my body shut down (aka forced sleep lasting 2-3 hours), I had the most vivid nightmares. I remember two of them.
In one, I was chased by the Mafia and shot. When the bullet hit, I screamed for help. I actually screamed in real life and woke up my son who in turn came and woke me up. I was drenched in sweat, panting, completely unaware that I also screamed in reality. So in my dream I was dying but not in real life. So there was a physical response (elevated blood pressure, rapid heart beat, sweating, exhaustion, involuntary screaming) while asleep.
In another instance, I was trying to escape from a cabin in a sinking ship and drowned. Again, the in the dream, I experienced intense fright of death and woke up gulping for air. Again, a real involuntary physical response to the brain activity.
This leads me to believe that in extreme situations, a person with a weak heart or in a fragile state of health, could possibly suffer a heart attack if the dream is experienced intensely due to the involuntary physical responses.
The Doc put me on Oxycodone to depress the central nervous system so that my brain would not recognize the pain at night, thus allowing me to sleep 6-7 hours without dreaming until the injury healed.
Point: I think that an intensely felt dream can bring about death if a person is unhealthy, but I do not believe that if a person dies in his/her dream they also die in real life. When the person dies in the dream, the person enters a different state of sleep or possibly becomes temporarily unconscious and therefore wouldn't even be able to remember that they died in their dream.
As usual you always post such lucid well thought out responses and they make sense as well.
HAMLET: To be, or not to be: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
roseofsharonmanchester, Hampshire, England UK8,699 posts
Englishman55: What do our dreams mean, if anything at all. Not such an exciting thread, I know, but it always made me wonder.
I normally experience bad dreams infrequently, but they are always about my past, with a fair amount of truth in them.
Do the nice dreams I have tell me anything about me or my future. They involve current situations and possible future scenarios.
Could they affect our thought process enough to change the future.
The expression..... "Be careful what you wish for" springs to mind !
Any thoughts or personal experiences to share. ?
Creating a thread is not a pre-requisite of being on the Forums, ya know?!
Though, to be fair, there do appear to be plenty of those that have some random thought pop into their head and think "I know, I'll create a thread about that...." without any real kind of thought process being implemented. So.....
As for dreams, they often manifest themselves in many obscure ways and are not usually simplistically about what you would immediately imagine them to be. For example, if you dream you are run over by a car, it doesn't mean you are likely to be run over. Probably more about a worry about something else entirely. Though, frequently, events throughout one's day/week may come into play but, again, take many forms.....
Englishman55OPSalisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
Creating a thread is not a pre-requisite of being on the Forums, ya know?!
Though, to be fair, there do appear to be plenty of those that have some random thought pop into their head and think "I know, I'll create a thread about that...." without any real kind of thought process being implemented. So.....
Hi Sharon, I never thought that creating a thread was a pre-requisite for being on the forums.
I posted because I have been contributing to other peoples threads for over 8 months now, and at times I have been challenged quite obtusely for having an opinion and been dared to write one of my own.
Have always been happy to be a contributor, and could never really think of a good question to pose that had not already been done before, but when this one came into my head, I thought why not.
So just call me random..... and popping into my head is not such a hard thing to do, you just need to "get" my sense of humour.
Thankyou for the sensible response though. And, yes, now I have started, I have a whole bunch of random questions, so maybe I'll post them.
Like.... what does an "Occasional Table" do the rest of the time ?
roseofsharonmanchester, Hampshire, England UK8,699 posts
Englishman55: Creating a thread is not a pre-requisite of being on the Forums, ya know?!
Though, to be fair, there do appear to be plenty of those that have some random thought pop into their head and think "I know, I'll create a thread about that...." without any real kind of thought process being implemented. So.....
Hi Sharon, I never thought that creating a thread was a pre-requisite for being on the forums.
I posted because I have been contributing to other peoples threads for over 8 months now, and at times I have been challenged quite obtusely for having an opinion and been dared to write one of my own.
Have always been happy to be a contributor, and could never really think of a good question to pose that had not already been done before, but when this one came into my head, I thought why not.
So just call me random..... and popping into my head is not such a hard thing to do, you just need to "get" my sense of humour.
Thankyou for the sensible response though. And, yes, now I have started, I have a whole bunch of random questions, so maybe I'll post them.
Like.... what does an "Occasional Table" do the rest of the time ?
Mmmmm..... it was looking good there for a moment BUT.....
The Occasional Table thing.... well, it does LOTS of things. But only on occasion....
Englishman55OPSalisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
roseofsharon: Can I have some of what yer smokin', bud?!
Smoking only sensible cigarettes.... No wobbly Woodbines for me and only had a couple of glasses of red.
Just chillin !, But if have something better to smoke... pass it over, and we can wibble together. Or were you suggesting I was trying to smoke Bud-wieser ??
LindosbayStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK66 posts
ooby_dooby: ok serious answer. When you are im REM sleep your brain is very active. This is when there are no outside stimuli to distract the brain from solving problems. The brain is able to perform this problem solving process most efficiently at this time. It can run all kinds of "What-if" scenarios to arrive at a solution which is why dreams can be so weird when you remember them after you wake up. This is why people dream of being in totally alien situations and doing things they couldn't do in real life. This is also why most people can solve complex problems in their sleep that may have baffled them during their waking period. Have you ever solved a problem in your sleep? I have. I have invented things in my sleep that would revolutionize the world but forgot what the hell it was when I wake up. Pretty useless huh? I don't think dreams have any bearing on future events except that a dream can alter a persons behavior going forward which would change what happens in the future.
I've solved problems in my sleep. I was once roped to a man...this is true and spent ages trying to work out how to get free...I wouldn't do that now!!! Couldn't get free, so we were released, I went to bed and must have been thinking about it in my sleep...hey presto, next morning I couldn't wait to get tied up again, cause I knew exactly what to do to get free.
I dream precognitively; thus the name DreamingWoman. I have a Mohawk ancestor and they were known for this. My daughter is an empath and when younger would always predict someone's death. I have also had many shared dreams with friends/family.
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