Are we really a peaceful species...? (52)
Buckg73Any, New Providence Bahamas1 Threads 198 PostsWe are most definitely not a peaceful species. Not by ANY stretch of the imagination...
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Conrad73: Yep,keep on turning the other Cheek until you run out of Cheeks!
It is one thing to initiate Aggression and Violence,and quite a different thing to use Violence to stop it in the Bud!
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" --George Orwell
The Initiation of Violence has to be Condemned,not the Use og Necessary Force to encounter that Violence!
There is a Big Difference.
The Right to Selfdefense!!!!
It is one thing to initiate Aggression and Violence,and quite a different thing to use Violence to stop it in the Bud!
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" --George Orwell
The Initiation of Violence has to be Condemned,not the Use og Necessary Force to encounter that Violence!
There is a Big Difference.
The Right to Selfdefense!!!!
live by the sword die by it... there is a higher consciousness and i am aware of it directly.
there is a plan and progress to your life you are simply yet to become aware of regardless of orwell's enticing guesses.
our world is the playground of deathless beings masquerading as ignorant limited fools exploring all of the follies and games we enjoy. death is not a relevant obstacle to them.
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giftmagic: live by the sword die by it... there is a higher consciousness and i am aware of it directly.
there is a plan and progress to your life you are simply yet to become aware of regardless of orwell's enticing guesses.
our world is the playground of deathless beings masquerading as ignorant limited fools exploring all of the follies and games we enjoy. death is not a relevant obstacle to them.
Yep,be Cannon-fodder!there is a plan and progress to your life you are simply yet to become aware of regardless of orwell's enticing guesses.
our world is the playground of deathless beings masquerading as ignorant limited fools exploring all of the follies and games we enjoy. death is not a relevant obstacle to them.
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gypsylotts: Interesting and what would happen to the armament factories and the Government revenue that is made from selling arms and media revenue for news stories that come from living in a violent society?
it all goes to the UN to supervise ever more usefully the steady planned deline of military operations everywhere. women would be paid to bring in their home weapons and bullets everywhere.
enrolling subscriptions will pay for them and all weapons are stockpiled for exclusive UN purposes. when they have the greatest number as whole nations realize the truth and value of the idea then world opinion will steadily pivot.
'united nations' means exactly that. not nations choosing to grind axes endlessly with murder and subversion the norm. if we want a united nations then lets finally start them?
because the organization claiming to be it now is a farce allowing mass murder for money and position and materials unchallenged endlessly still.
with the UN steadily becoming the only voted legitimate super power all people can vote for or against cultural prepression rising in it.
if the voting public and especially the women are joining from within every culture, steadily the men will be called to listen then consider the alternatives. what educated man will vote against his wife for long? the nights will get lonelier for some yes?
as for that government revenue, governments are oganizations generated to nurture world and culture wherever they are elected again.
there is not a bullet manufacturer in the world with a valid life nurturing reason to exist. make a bullet, become an accessorty to how it is used!
only our perspective on their intention needs to change, doesn't it? we can have peace or we can have more bullets. a vote for bullets is not a vote for a united peaceful world...
is it gypsylotts? a vote for more bullets is not a vote a united world public would ever engender...
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giftmagic:
is it gypsylotts? a vote for more bullets is not a vote a united world public would ever engender...
is it gypsylotts? a vote for more bullets is not a vote a united world public would ever engender...
I'd agree with you but I don't think we are ready yet to become a united world public.
I'm going to go back to my original answer. As a species we still love violence. We spoke about a universal intelligence before...and I have used this argument earlier in a response to a blog but will repeat it here.
If we do share a collective consciousness, as long as there is hatred, conflict and violence within the individual or this consciousness, we will find channels to express that violence in some way. Religion or fanaticism (or war) then merely become an excuse. We have already heard of good reasons to be violent like self defence... Some people are violent in self defence, in ego - defence, patriotism and others defending their notions of their religion. The list is endless but these are merely ways to manifest the violence, they are not causes in themselves.
When we watch violent movies or the news or participate in violence in any form, like hating somebody... We see, enjoy and endorse violence and conflict on a daily basis, as long as we can justify it in some way. We love thrillers, the more conflict the better, revenge is sweet, aggressive patriotism is noble and then we are shocked when we see these things manifest in the real world.
Finally, peace in the outside world will happen when people can find peace within themselves or ...when people find God within themselves. That's when a united world public will materialize till then there will be people spreading violence and others capitalizing on it.
Phew! Saying far too much... I think I'll keep quiet for a bit. Have fun :)
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giftmagic: it all goes to the UN to supervise ever more usefully the steady planned deline of military operations everywhere. women would be paid to bring in their home weapons and bullets everywhere.
enrolling subscriptions will pay for them and all weapons are stockpiled for exclusive UN purposes. when they have the greatest number as whole nations realize the truth and value of the idea then world opinion will steadily pivot.
'united nations' means exactly that. not nations choosing to grind axes endlessly with murder and subversion the norm. if we want a united nations then lets finally start them?
because the organization claiming to be it now is a farce allowing mass murder for money and position and materials unchallenged endlessly still.
with the UN steadily becoming the only voted legitimate super power all people can vote for or against cultural prepression rising in it.
if the voting public and especially the women are joining from within every culture, steadily the men will be called to listen then consider the alternatives. what educated man will vote against his wife for long? the nights will get lonelier for some yes?
as for that government revenue, governments are oganizations generated to nurture world and culture wherever they are elected again.
there is not a bullet manufacturer in the world with a valid life nurturing reason to exist. make a bullet, become an accessorty to how it is used!
only our perspective on their intention needs to change, doesn't it? we can have peace or we can have more bullets. a vote for bullets is not a vote for a united peaceful world...
is it gypsylotts? a vote for more bullets is not a vote a united world public would ever engender...
F"CK the United Nothings!enrolling subscriptions will pay for them and all weapons are stockpiled for exclusive UN purposes. when they have the greatest number as whole nations realize the truth and value of the idea then world opinion will steadily pivot.
'united nations' means exactly that. not nations choosing to grind axes endlessly with murder and subversion the norm. if we want a united nations then lets finally start them?
because the organization claiming to be it now is a farce allowing mass murder for money and position and materials unchallenged endlessly still.
with the UN steadily becoming the only voted legitimate super power all people can vote for or against cultural prepression rising in it.
if the voting public and especially the women are joining from within every culture, steadily the men will be called to listen then consider the alternatives. what educated man will vote against his wife for long? the nights will get lonelier for some yes?
as for that government revenue, governments are oganizations generated to nurture world and culture wherever they are elected again.
there is not a bullet manufacturer in the world with a valid life nurturing reason to exist. make a bullet, become an accessorty to how it is used!
only our perspective on their intention needs to change, doesn't it? we can have peace or we can have more bullets. a vote for bullets is not a vote for a united peaceful world...
is it gypsylotts? a vote for more bullets is not a vote a united world public would ever engender...
Biggest Thugs are United there!
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giftmagic: it all goes to the UN to supervise ever more usefully the steady planned deline of military operations everywhere. women would be paid to bring in their home weapons and bullets everywhere.
enrolling subscriptions will pay for them and all weapons are stockpiled for exclusive UN purposes. when they have the greatest number as whole nations realize the truth and value of the idea then world opinion will steadily pivot.
'united nations' means exactly that. not nations choosing to grind axes endlessly with murder and subversion the norm. if we want a united nations then lets finally start them?
because the organization claiming to be it now is a farce allowing mass murder for money and position and materials unchallenged endlessly still.
with the UN steadily becoming the only voted legitimate super power all people can vote for or against cultural prepression rising in it.
if the voting public and especially the women are joining from within every culture, steadily the men will be called to listen then consider the alternatives. what educated man will vote against his wife for long? the nights will get lonelier for some yes?
as for that government revenue, governments are oganizations generated to nurture world and culture wherever they are elected again.
there is not a bullet manufacturer in the world with a valid life nurturing reason to exist. make a bullet, become an accessorty to how it is used!
only our perspective on their intention needs to change, doesn't it? we can have peace or we can have more bullets. a vote for bullets is not a vote for a united peaceful world...
is it gypsylotts? a vote for more bullets is not a vote a united world public would ever engender...
What makes you believe,that the "People" at the United Nothings are any different from anyone else?enrolling subscriptions will pay for them and all weapons are stockpiled for exclusive UN purposes. when they have the greatest number as whole nations realize the truth and value of the idea then world opinion will steadily pivot.
'united nations' means exactly that. not nations choosing to grind axes endlessly with murder and subversion the norm. if we want a united nations then lets finally start them?
because the organization claiming to be it now is a farce allowing mass murder for money and position and materials unchallenged endlessly still.
with the UN steadily becoming the only voted legitimate super power all people can vote for or against cultural prepression rising in it.
if the voting public and especially the women are joining from within every culture, steadily the men will be called to listen then consider the alternatives. what educated man will vote against his wife for long? the nights will get lonelier for some yes?
as for that government revenue, governments are oganizations generated to nurture world and culture wherever they are elected again.
there is not a bullet manufacturer in the world with a valid life nurturing reason to exist. make a bullet, become an accessorty to how it is used!
only our perspective on their intention needs to change, doesn't it? we can have peace or we can have more bullets. a vote for bullets is not a vote for a united peaceful world...
is it gypsylotts? a vote for more bullets is not a vote a united world public would ever engender...
Dream on Father Christmas,but take Care your "Dreams aren't going to turn into a Nightmare!
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Conrad73: What makes you believe,that the "People" at the United Nothings are any different from anyone else?
Dream on Father Christmas,but take Care your "Dreams aren't going to turn into a Nightmare!
Dream on Father Christmas,but take Care your "Dreams aren't going to turn into a Nightmare!
the UN can be replaced by a lot of people simply wanting better. but we are talking hypotheticals only here. i was asked and made suggestions off the top of my head.
but coincidentally i will also be in the same building as them in bali and i actually gained the attention of their international cultural site there and the invitation 5yrs before they arrived.
i can do whatever i wish there. but it doesn't need to be a UN approach directly. i have other options in the pipeline ready to start progressing now.
i have themes that can give our United Nothings the boost they know they need... do you think they would like to swell their numbers with a billion paying peaceful voters next?
"If you let others kill for you
or your country, or your religion,
you are no longer innocent... Are you?"
The gift...
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giftmagic: the UN can be replaced by a lot of people simply wanting better. but we are talking hypotheticals only here. i was asked and made suggestions off the top of my head.
but coincidentally i will also be in the same building as them in bali and i actually gained the attention of their international cultural site there and the invitation 5yrs before they arrived.
i can do whatever i wish there. but it doesn't need to be a UN approach directly. i have other options in the pipeline ready to start progressing now.
i have themes that can give our United Nothings the boost they know they need... do you think they would like to swell their numbers with a billion paying peaceful voters next? "If you let others kill for you
or your country, or your religion,
you are no longer innocent... Are you?"
The gift...
I delegate my Right to Selfdefense to the State,unless there is Imminent Danger.but coincidentally i will also be in the same building as them in bali and i actually gained the attention of their international cultural site there and the invitation 5yrs before they arrived.
i can do whatever i wish there. but it doesn't need to be a UN approach directly. i have other options in the pipeline ready to start progressing now.
i have themes that can give our United Nothings the boost they know they need... do you think they would like to swell their numbers with a billion paying peaceful voters next? "If you let others kill for you
or your country, or your religion,
you are no longer innocent... Are you?"
The gift...
The original Commandment does not read,Thou Shalt Not Kill,but rather,Thou Shalt Not Murder!
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giftmagic: the UN can be replaced by a lot of people simply wanting better. but we are talking hypotheticals only here. i was asked and made suggestions off the top of my head.
but coincidentally i will also be in the same building as them in bali and i actually gained the attention of their international cultural site there and the invitation 5yrs before they arrived.
i can do whatever i wish there. but it doesn't need to be a UN approach directly. i have other options in the pipeline ready to start progressing now.
i have themes that can give our United Nothings the boost they know they need... do you think they would like to swell their numbers with a billion paying peaceful voters next? "If you let others kill for you
or your country, or your religion,
you are no longer innocent... Are you?"
The gift...
They wanted better at the inception of the UN.but coincidentally i will also be in the same building as them in bali and i actually gained the attention of their international cultural site there and the invitation 5yrs before they arrived.
i can do whatever i wish there. but it doesn't need to be a UN approach directly. i have other options in the pipeline ready to start progressing now.
i have themes that can give our United Nothings the boost they know they need... do you think they would like to swell their numbers with a billion paying peaceful voters next? "If you let others kill for you
or your country, or your religion,
you are no longer innocent... Are you?"
The gift...
But "Wanting" is not enough.
The Ungodly Mess and Corruption of the Organization proves it!
The Path to Hell is plastered with Good Intentions!
Martin Luther
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Conrad73: They wanted better at the inception of the UN.
But "Wanting" is not enough.
The Ungodly Mess and Corruption of the Organization proves it!
The Path to Hell is plastered with Good Intentions!
Martin Luther
But "Wanting" is not enough.
The Ungodly Mess and Corruption of the Organization proves it!
The Path to Hell is plastered with Good Intentions!
Martin Luther
yeah and its gonna take some better ones to return us finally, isn't it? only ideas big enough for the people to all want to embrace can do it.
corruption is the inevitable end point of every cultural experiment, isn't it con?
they know they need to do better and the whole world is watching. good ideas have their time and place and the UNs time and place is numbered without some soon, isn't it?
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giftmagic: yeah and its gonna take some better ones to return us finally, isn't it? only ideas big enough for the people to all want to embrace can do it.
corruption is the inevitable end point of every cultural experiment, isn't it con?
they know they need to do better and the whole world is watching. good ideas have their time and place and the UNs time and place is numbered without some soon, isn't it?
Definitely of all Collectivist Undertakings!corruption is the inevitable end point of every cultural experiment, isn't it con?
they know they need to do better and the whole world is watching. good ideas have their time and place and the UNs time and place is numbered without some soon, isn't it?
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Pudmuddle: What species is? and why would we expect our species to deviate from the absolute.
hi Pudmuddle our species is about to be confronted with some quite unique challenges beyond usual.
we can expect some significant deviation within the next decade, our options will diminish sharply from there. we are just starting to be woken up now.
things happening to our world now, i have been learning about for 30 years. they are just starting to really bite now. watch africa, its historic decline has all occurred in my lifetime.
it is a good indicator of what is to come everywhere steadily soon. the condition of environmental degradation across each land is an indelible indcator of its future within a generation.
remember where africa was 20 years ago.
see where it is now.
see what the people are doing to each other, the disease, cultural and environmental decline. social decay.
afghanistan is a terminal result. watch the irate crowds in the media each evening steadily swell.
watch their dissent rise until one by one they implode and begin destroying their own cultures and livelihoods. a clear and inevitable reptetive process as food and materials run out now.
we are about to be confronted with the extinction of most major life forms at our hands alone. it is inenvitable now.
"Where people go the trees are all cut down and
the larger animals all die. When the trees are cut
down and the larger animals all die - we die!
The trees are all still being cut down...
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR YOU...!?"
The Gift...
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Buckg73: The world has survived worldwide floods, worldwide ice ages, worldwide fires where there wasn't a tree left standing on the entire earth, yet, there is still life on this planet.
Buckg73 you have missed what i said. most cultures are going to virtually starve to death soon.
"WHAT does this mean for you?" look at the crowds growing internationally in dissent. they are never controlled. no military power ever will. look at recent history. there are twice as many people on earth as caused our current descent.
and of course your innocent enthusiasm is correctly place, life will survive it - but will you?
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giftmagic: Buckg73 you have missed what i said. most cultures are going to virtually starve to death soon.
"WHAT does this mean for you?" look at the crowds growing internationally in dissent. they are never controlled. no military power ever will. look at recent history. there are twice as many people on earth as caused our current descent.
and of course your innocent enthusiasm is correctly place, life will survive it - but will you?
Never heard of Hydroponics,Hmmmm,Prophet of Doom?"WHAT does this mean for you?" look at the crowds growing internationally in dissent. they are never controlled. no military power ever will. look at recent history. there are twice as many people on earth as caused our current descent.
and of course your innocent enthusiasm is correctly place, life will survive it - but will you?
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giftmagic: hi Pudmuddle our species is about to be confronted with some quite unique challenges beyond usual.
we can expect some significant deviation within the next decade, our options will diminish sharply from there. we are just starting to be woken up now.
things happening to our world now, i have been learning about for 30 years. they are just starting to really bite now. watch africa, its historic decline has all occurred in my lifetime.
it is a good indicator of what is to come everywhere steadily soon. the condition of environmental degradation across each land is an indelible indcator of its future within a generation.
remember where africa was 20 years ago.
see where it is now.
see what the people are doing to each other, the disease, cultural and environmental decline. social decay.
afghanistan is a terminal result. watch the irate crowds in the media each evening steadily swell.
watch their dissent rise until one by one they implode and begin destroying their own cultures and livelihoods. a clear and inevitable reptetive process as food and materials run out now. we are about to be confronted with the extinction of most major life forms at our hands alone. it is inenvitable now."Where people go the trees are all cut down and
the larger animals all die. When the trees are cut
down and the larger animals all die - we die!
The trees are all still being cut down...
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR YOU...!?"
The Gift...
we can expect some significant deviation within the next decade, our options will diminish sharply from there. we are just starting to be woken up now.
things happening to our world now, i have been learning about for 30 years. they are just starting to really bite now. watch africa, its historic decline has all occurred in my lifetime.
it is a good indicator of what is to come everywhere steadily soon. the condition of environmental degradation across each land is an indelible indcator of its future within a generation.
remember where africa was 20 years ago.
see where it is now.
see what the people are doing to each other, the disease, cultural and environmental decline. social decay.
afghanistan is a terminal result. watch the irate crowds in the media each evening steadily swell.
watch their dissent rise until one by one they implode and begin destroying their own cultures and livelihoods. a clear and inevitable reptetive process as food and materials run out now. we are about to be confronted with the extinction of most major life forms at our hands alone. it is inenvitable now."Where people go the trees are all cut down and
the larger animals all die. When the trees are cut
down and the larger animals all die - we die!
The trees are all still being cut down...
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR YOU...!?"
The Gift...
It means the website I am creating is way past it's due date... and is extremely meaningful
However that does not change the results of my originally posed question. Construction/destruction is absolute in the universe. Peace has it's place;but has much narrower confines and while it is the fulcrum of that same construction/destruction, can never be totally maittained in an absolute infinity that lives and breathes via that same construction/destruction dynamic.
The things you're talking about avoe aren't necessarily peaceful as they intelligent and integral to our survival, both physically and spiritually. I see this as seperate subject matter - bohdi
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giftmagic: hi Pudmuddle our species is about to be confronted with some quite unique challenges beyond usual.
we can expect some significant deviation within the next decade, our options will diminish sharply from there. we are just starting to be woken up now.
The trees are all still being cut down...
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR YOU...!?"
The Gift...
we can expect some significant deviation within the next decade, our options will diminish sharply from there. we are just starting to be woken up now.
The trees are all still being cut down...
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR YOU...!?"
The Gift...
Paranoia can be a great motivator; but only to those motivated by fear and only those motivated by it in the here and now. This leaves a great deal of humanity unmotivated.
so, do you have other motivations/solutions?
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Conrad73: Never heard of Hydroponics,Hmmmm,Prophet of Doom?
yep! we need 'natural hydroponics', organically generated fertilisers, and tidal power making hydrogen and fresh water to solve our food crisis everywhere.
we need to put carbon compost back into our soils and farm with seawater all barren coastal sand so the environment gets its water and life back in spite of us too.
this will slowly solve the co2 issues at their real sources.
switching to hydrogen fuels, and, correcting the now planetary removal of the organically stored carbon compost layer cutting all the trees down and letting the land dry out released - everywhere!
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