giftmagic: yep! we need 'natural hydroponics', organically generated fertilisers, and tidal power making hydrogen and fresh water to solve our food crisis everywhere.
we need to put carbon compost back into our soils and farm with seawater all barren coastal sand so the environment gets its water and life back in spite of us too.
this will slowly solve the co2 issues at their real sources.
switching to hydrogen fuels, and, correcting the now planetary removal of the organically stored carbon compost layer cutting all the trees down and letting the land dry out released - everywhere!
Buckg73: The world has survived worldwide floods, worldwide ice ages, worldwide fires where there wasn't a tree left standing on the entire earth, yet, there is still life on this planet.
The only thing that is forever, is forever itself.. all else will change. Invincibility based on previous invincibility is a fool's defense.
Pudmuddle: Paranoia can be a great motivator; but only to those motivated by fear and only those motivated by it in the here and now. This leaves a great deal of humanity unmotivated.
so, do you have other motivations/solutions?
unfortunately i think the motivation will come soon enough now and it won't initially be pretty? its all going to change but it will be more than paranoia before it all starts to take off.
the paranoia is beginning but it will be shocking truth that it really is nearly too late for most of us that finally gets or minds ticking in unison and positively.
its nearly 5am here and my mind is past it for awile. so talk amongst yourselves for awhile won't you hehe?
Pudmuddle: It means the website I am creating is way past it's due date... and is extremely meaningful
However that does not change the results of my originally posed question. Construction/destruction is absolute in the universe. Peace has it's place;but has much narrower confines and while it is the fulcrum of that same construction/destruction, can never be totally maittained in an absolute infinity that lives and breathes via that same construction/destruction dynamic.
The things you're talking about avoe aren't necessarily peaceful as they intelligent and integral to our survival, both physically and spiritually. I see this as seperate subject matter - bohdi
Pudmuddle hi and yes it means my website is overdue too but i have too much for it and won't bother now until i have a better alternative?
yes we will always evolve but we can evolve into repetitous decay and social decine rapidly and harshly or we can learn from our mistakes and modify the potentials of all our futures for it.
if you want to look at it spiritually, war has its place. soldiers raping and murdering at will among us are useful experiences for souls on the day.
if you are to die and return to that other deathless state, what does it matter how harshly or brutally you choose your own demise then?
but then look at human evolution as a spiritual exercise and we can also assume any or all that has even been encountered has value in others experiencing it again, can't we?
do we seek toward ideals with best intent or should our veneer of civilizing expectations toward better be ever tempered by the fact that everything will be gone one day anyway?
we have an international problem ahead. the already existing burden of overpopulation will bring steadily encroaching catastrophy for many. we can embrace it as just the cycle adjusting again or we can try to react more usefully anyway?
its going to affect us but finding constructive international progression through it will be our most important consideration even as it starts to become now. from a spiritual perspective again, what will be different?
we are here to test ourselves against the trials and torments of our lives toward prevailing on the day. only doing so will feel good to us then whatever we must confront first until each destructive potential responds and recedes.
i've looked toward the real sources and cures using unique tools i have learnt to apply. something bigger than me has required it all the way 'instead of a life' for a long time now.
i've sought toward bigger pictures and answers. i've recorded my results all the way. now i really do want to find people and ways of extending my results together?
the knockers are useless and waste our energy and words. only constructive discussion shared is ever useful. but, i don't even know where to start?
so, these things considered i placed this thread before all of you here to see if there are any relevant people interested in exploring these themes so important and before us all now?
Based on the content of forums - it would be hard to conclude that we were! One only needs to track some of these threads to find that they soon gravitate to the muckiest depths of intolerance and animus.
galaxy15: Based on the content of forums - it would be hard to conclude that we were! One only needs to track some of these threads to find that they soon gravitate to the muckiest depths of intolerance and animus.
giftmagic: a clear and inevitable reptetive process as food and materials run out now. we are about to be confronted with the extinction of most major life forms at our hands alone. it is inenvitable now."Where people go the trees are all cut down and the larger animals all die. When the trees are cut down and the larger animals all die - we die!
The trees are all still being cut down...
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR YOU...!?" The Gift...
I'm not anthropocentric (Hope I got that right) and think if we as a race wipe ourselves out, it might be the best thing that has happened to the Earth.
For years I worked as an environmental activist and conservationist and I stopped when I found we use far more resources trying to spread environmental awareness without actually cutting down our use of resources. TV channels that claim to be green, don't bat an eyelid about interfering in animal habitat, clearing forests or accepting ads that promote an anti-green way of life. We waste food, we spend thoughtlessly/ waste energy, we hoard and buy and throw away things we have and will never use and then we are apalled that nobody is saving our world.
We live in a market economy where we are constantly told to spend. We love the colour and feel of money. If we can cut more trees and make more money from it (regardless that it will not fetch us fresh water or food one day, we'll still do it.) Some of the most ardent and well meaning conservationists I know spend buckets full of money in talking about saving the earth, without realizing that this itself results in a huge waste of resources.
I'm no saint and have decided that I will use the resources I need to live my life without guilt. If I need to fly I do. But in general I try to reduce my use of resources. I work only as much as I need and I try at an individual level not to hoard money or things, not to waste and to pay no attention to what the media prescribes as fashion. People think I am crazy to not earn as much as possible and hoard and buy up land and so on and so forth but this is my gift to the world...
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we need to put carbon compost back into our soils and farm with seawater all barren coastal sand so the environment gets its water and life back in spite of us too.
this will slowly solve the co2 issues at their real sources.
switching to hydrogen fuels, and, correcting the now planetary removal of the organically stored carbon compost layer cutting all the trees down and letting the land dry out released - everywhere!