what are you really getting at here? The fact that we dont know what these things will be like exactly is what allows us to understand that we will not mistake it when it happens, it will be unmistakeable like a lightning bolt. It could never be fabricated or duplicated, counterfited or emagined. It will stand apart all alone in the world, completely unique, completely supernatural, alltogether miraculous!
seveneyes: what are you really getting at here? The fact that we dont know what these things will be like exactly is what allows us to understand that we will not mistake it when it happens, it will be unmistakeable like a lightning bolt. It could never be fabricated or duplicated, counterfited or emagined. It will stand apart all alone in the world, completely unique, completely supernatural, alltogether miraculous!
My father said to my mother to stop forcing religion on us children and wait till we were old enough to understand it for ourselves...
So now my head is full of questions that need to be answered
From what I understand Arch Angels are Serraphim. The Serraphim are a type of Angel that is continually in the presence of God and has 6 wings. Depictions of them in the book of Revelation show them to us having 4 faces and eyes all around thier entire bodies. In the front they have the face of a man, right side the face of an ox, left side the face of a lion and in the back the face of an eagle. (i may have right and left backward) As far as the sound of the Trumpet sounding, it will not be an earthly trumpet, but a heavenly trumpet, so I would emagine the sound to be vastly glorified from the earthly trumpet, If you can emagine a glorious ray of sun at a moment bursting through a cloud like a flash of lightning and translate that into a sound. That might get you in the ballpark!
Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
BebeII: Because until your face down in the mud, have dealt with adversity and had your whole belief system challenged, you can't really learn. Suffering is inevitable-injury, disease, the loss of loved ones, etc. Religion, and especially Christ's life are examples to draw from-a sort of universal theme in everyone's life (minus the crucifixtion mercifully).
BTW being transformed by the renewing of your mind is another way of saying "Born Again" Not in a wierd Ned Flanders way, but a powerful transformation from darkness to light and a brand new life and perception where you now know that God is real and all things are made new in your life. Your heart and mind are changed. You are brand new. It is a spiritual rebirth!
seveneyes: BTW being transformed by the renewing of your mind is another way of saying "Born Again" Not in a wierd Ned Flanders way, but a powerful transformation from darkness to light and a brand new life and perception where you now know that God is real and all things are made new in your life. Your heart and mind are changed. You are brand new. It is a spiritual rebirth!
seveneyes: BTW being transformed by the renewing of your mind is another way of saying "Born Again" Not in a wierd Ned Flanders way, but a powerful transformation from darkness to light and a brand new life and perception where you now know that God is real and all things are made new in your life. Your heart and mind are changed. You are brand new. It is a spiritual rebirth!
Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
seveneyes: I love you Englishman, such the seeker.
I seek only the truth, not lies or falsifications given by man in the name of a God..... Give me the truth and I will believe... and please don't ask me to read a book.... written by man.
I am sure, when your God is ready, he will come visit me and have a quiet word about how bad I have been in my life.... Until that day happens, I will keep an open mind, but HE/SHE needs to come speak with me personally.... not a human..... and please don't say God was created in the image of man, because he wasn't... God created man....... man only distorts the reality of God to suit his own selfish reasons.. to take advantage of the poor, or the sick, or weak.
I am sure you can discount all my claims by quoting passages in the book or giving instances of miracles.... yes they do happen, but why should your God be the one to claim them, or by damming me to hell for ever (nice Christian sentiment that)... but until he comes to me peersonally...... I WILL KEEP AN OPEN AND CRITICAL MIND
Englishman55: I seek only the truth, not lies or falsifications given by man in the name of a God..... Give me the truth and I will believe... and please don't ask me to read a book.... written by man.
I am sure, when your God is ready, he will come visit me and have a quiet word about how bad I have been in my life.... Until that day happens, I will keep an open mind, but HE/SHE needs to come speak with me personally.... not a human..... and please don't say God was created in the image of man, because he wasn't... God created man....... man only distorts the reality of God to suit his own selfish reasons.. to take advantage of the poor, or the sick, or weak.
I am sure you can discount all my claims by quoting passages in the book or giving instances of miracles.... yes they do happen, but why should your God be the one to claim them, or by damming me to hell for ever (nice Christian sentiment that)... but until he comes to me peersonally...... I WILL KEEP AN OPEN AND CRITICAL MIND
Spot on my friend! Anyone believing a medievil marvel comic as fact, needs to go back to school... If there was one shred of evidence other than ficticious fairy tales to back the story, i'd be the first to believe...Untill there are, i'm on the fence!!!!!!!
Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
Glock17: Spot on my friend! Anyone believing a medievil marvel comic as fact, needs to go back to school... If there was one shred of evidence other than ficticious fairy tales to back the story, i'd be the first to believe...Untill there are, i'm on the fence!!!!!!!
Hey Glock.. we are on the same fence and both probably not stupid enough to jump off without looking where we are jumping !
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he wont have a stick, his arrival will cause the unbelievers hearts and consciences to smite themselves. They will stand self condemned
Christ can never be a wolf in sheeps clothing, he is the lamb
What is an "archangel " and what does it sound like??
And the lamb ,the meekest lamb???