Reincarnation (339)
bohdiprana: Who's asking you to? ya paranoia freak. Booooo! Your mirror is generalizations, so this is what you will see. Break the glass!!! get a new one!yes you are fractalized. I agree.
Must be self evident. If you say so.
Again if you say so. Make it so number 1.
Of course you know what this means. You've been chasing your own tail ya woofer.
Must be self evident. If you say so.
Again if you say so. Make it so number 1.
Of course you know what this means. You've been chasing your own tail ya woofer.
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MGaff:
Bohdiprana 7 main chakras, but a large number of so called lessor chakras, that oddly or not so oddly mirror the earth's better zero point energy areas.
Ascended masters being those who help to open up our chakras? I think there is possibility this happens as a matter of evolution as well, preordained events so to speak that are cyclical and reflect in DNA sequencing of organisms.
l would find it difficult to see that it would be otherwise, tho sufi's for instance say that you need an ascended one to bring you across. lts a difficult one to answer, Jesus had John the Baptist, tho Guatama apparently did it himself, but who knows. l suppose if you look at it from the point of view that it essentially represents an end to the Self in terms of Ego, then it would be easier to believe that it would require something outside of that self as you demonstate that you are part of a greater whole and surrender in service?
Bohdiprana 7 main chakras, but a large number of so called lessor chakras, that oddly or not so oddly mirror the earth's better zero point energy areas.
Ascended masters being those who help to open up our chakras? I think there is possibility this happens as a matter of evolution as well, preordained events so to speak that are cyclical and reflect in DNA sequencing of organisms.
l would find it difficult to see that it would be otherwise, tho sufi's for instance say that you need an ascended one to bring you across. lts a difficult one to answer, Jesus had John the Baptist, tho Guatama apparently did it himself, but who knows. l suppose if you look at it from the point of view that it essentially represents an end to the Self in terms of Ego, then it would be easier to believe that it would require something outside of that self as you demonstate that you are part of a greater whole and surrender in service?
I guess we'll find out for sure. The only place we'll find real love is in surrender of service, so it's not too far fetched. Love is all but impossible to find when control is one's mantra.
We could debate the meaning of ego as well, which is generally associated with me me me in selfish ways. I think this is just the self's way of reaching for and experiencing self awareness just as plant reaches for the light to grow. Perhaps early stages of self consciousness leading to full awareness? This maturing certainly seems to parallel the human to adult process. Is it microcosm mimicking spirit?
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StressFree: I do everything in my power to keep things simple---focus on my inner-harmony and surround myself with harmonious people, things,and experiences. Those are things I can control. How ever you perceive that is out of my control.
The exchange between me and Prana was our exchange, so in that sense, it was really between me and Prana. If you learned something like Prana's exchange out of that, then that's awesome!
The exchange between me and Prana was our exchange, so in that sense, it was really between me and Prana. If you learned something like Prana's exchange out of that, then that's awesome!
So would you say it has been a Harmonious exchange?
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StressFree: I do everything in my power to keep things simple---focus on my inner-harmony and surround myself with harmonious people, things,and experiences. Those are things I can control. How ever you perceive that is out of my control.
The exchange between me and Prana was our exchange, so in that sense, it was really between me and Prana. If you learned something like Prana's exchange out of that, then that's awesome!
The exchange between me and Prana was our exchange, so in that sense, it was really between me and Prana. If you learned something like Prana's exchange out of that, then that's awesome!
You are good catalyst my friend. 
I will always appreciate this in you. 
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bohdiprana: Who's asking you to? ya paranoia freak. Booooo! Your mirror is generalizations, so this is what you will see. Break the glass!!! get a new one!yes you are fractalized. I agree.
Must be self evident. If you say so.
Again if you say so. Make it so number 1.
Of course you know what this means. You've been chasing your own tail ya woofer.
Must be self evident. If you say so.
Again if you say so. Make it so number 1.
Of course you know what this means. You've been chasing your own tail ya woofer.
Ha! I see where this discussion is going---circular. You have much to learn my friend, as we all do. You are with your new flavor of the month and now you have been preaching from your pedestal while ignoring any other explanation that is outside of yours or Ra's
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bohdiprana: You are good catalyst my friend. I will always appreciate this in you.
I think of this as well of you, but do catch you drifting away from the self---as do I.
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MGaff: So would you say it has been a Harmonious exchange?
Ah man, I see I totally messed up my quote. I meant to say Prana's patience...not exchange that you learned of him lol.
Time will tell if it was a harmonious exchange. I don't feel any disharmony right now because I've known Prana and he has known me on some levels. I just know that we have a lot of differences but that shouldn't mean that those differences imply it is disharmonious. It's a balancing act, so yeah, in a sense it was a harmonious exchange despite the rough edges we use with each other.
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MGaff: So would you say it has been a Harmonious exchange?
I think what Stressless means is that if you (or anyone)found reason to further affirm your/their own beliefs, to further cement your own polarity in choice of path, to remain on present course or perhaps alter even a little, in light of our tete a' tete then indeed harmony is achieved, even if it is an illusion of duality.
Harmony is as much subjective choice as enlightenment is or indeed the absence of harmony is, even if Stressless seems very heavily entrenched at times ... we (everyone) gets to choose at every second to be harmony or grist for the mill or many other options.
Besides we are buds with a certain appreciation for the antagonistic grist.
I don't mean to speak for the Stressless one. but I guess I just did.
my bad.
don't push the post reply button !!!!!!!!!!!!
fu Ra ...
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
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bohdiprana: I guess we'll find out for sure. The only place we'll find real love is in surrender of service, so it's not too far fetched. Love is all but impossible to find when control is one's mantra.We could debate the meaning of ego as well, which is generally associated with me me me in selfish ways. I think this is just the self's way of reaching for and experiencing self awareness just as plant reaches for the light to grow. Perhaps early stages of self consciousness leading to full awareness? This maturing certainly seems to parallel the human to adult process. Is it microcosm mimicking spirit?
Now that is a big one! and it's time for me to sleep, but there is one thing that is unique to the Toltec path, and that is the assemblage point. Seen as a bright spot on the energy body, how one perceives the world is determined by where the assemblage point is positioned on the energy body, to have a fluid perception is to be able to move the assemblage point at will, but most have a fixed assemblage point. The ego is what fixes the assemblage point in place, so it has a purpose. But if it is in control we lose our fluid perception. But again once we have moved the assemblage point we need to be able to fix it at the new location, so it is not about erasing ego, it is about having it serve its purpose. Essentially what the ego does is fix us within time and space, so l wouldn't say that it is the microcosm in that it clearly has its limitations.
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bohdiprana: I think what Stressless means is that if you (or anyone)found reason to further affirm your/their own beliefs, to further cement your own polarity in choice of path, to remain on present course or perhaps alter even a little, in light of our tete a' tete then indeed harmony is achieved, even if it is an illusion of duality.
Harmony is as much subjective choice as enlightenment is or indeed the absence of harmony is, even if Stressless seems very heavily entrenched at times ... we (everyone) gets to choose at every second to be harmony or grist for the mill or many other options.
Besides we are buds with a certain appreciation for the antagonistic grist.
I don't mean to speak for the Stressless one. but I guess I just did. my bad.
don't push the post reply button !!!!!!!!!!!!
fu Ra ...
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
Harmony is as much subjective choice as enlightenment is or indeed the absence of harmony is, even if Stressless seems very heavily entrenched at times ... we (everyone) gets to choose at every second to be harmony or grist for the mill or many other options.
Besides we are buds with a certain appreciation for the antagonistic grist.
I don't mean to speak for the Stressless one. but I guess I just did. my bad.
don't push the post reply button !!!!!!!!!!!!
fu Ra ...
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
Well said my friend and I totally agree. Ya see, now we have harmony through our differences which are part of the grander one.
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StressFree: I think of this as well of you, but do catch you drifting away from the self---as do I.
You're cathcing me drifting away.
Priceless. The butterfly flutterby theory. 
trying to put me back in your bottle as well
I am your genie.
.... :blink: catch my wave, all the beauties are.
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StressFree: Well said my friend and I totally agree. Ya see, now we have harmony through our differences which are part of the grander one.
no, I had harmony long before.
Even eastbayray couldn't remove my harmony.
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bohdiprana:
catch my wave, all the beauties are.
catch my wave, all the beauties are.
Yeah man, I'm down for any wave of beauty
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bohdiprana: no, I had harmony long before.
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MGaff: Now that is a big one! and it's time for me to sleep, but there is one thing that is unique to the Toltec path, and that is the assemblage point. Seen as a bright spot on the energy body, how one perceives the world is determined by where the assemblage point is positioned on the energy body, to have a fluid perception is to be able to move the assemblage point at will, but most have a fixed assemblage point. The ego is what fixes the assemblage point in place, so it has a purpose. But if it is in control we lose our fluid perception. But again once we have moved the assemblage point we need to be able to fix it at the new location, so it is not about erasing ego, it is about having it serve its purpose. Essentially what the ego does is fix us within time and space, so l wouldn't say that it is the microcosm in that it clearly has its limitations.
Limitations in infinity? preposterous.
I get what you're saying though, applying the focus of the pure 'I' in effect of the transmuting points associated with each chakra. I'm still cleaning mine out so focusing hasn't come into play to any great degree; but I can see how being 'in' each chakra can help to increase not only the awareness of that chakra as a part of the whole, but also to indulge it's full ability to manifest it's particular association.
Sleep well MG
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StressFree: Yeah man, I'm down for any wave of beauty
to arms!
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MGaff: Now that is a big one! and it's time for me to sleep, but there is one thing that is unique to the Toltec path, and that is the assemblage point. Seen as a bright spot on the energy body, how one perceives the world is determined by where the assemblage point is positioned on the energy body, to have a fluid perception is to be able to move the assemblage point at will, but most have a fixed assemblage point. The ego is what fixes the assemblage point in place, so it has a purpose. But if it is in control we lose our fluid perception. But again once we have moved the assemblage point we need to be able to fix it at the new location, so it is not about erasing ego, it is about having it serve its purpose. Essentially what the ego does is fix us within time and space, so l wouldn't say that it is the microcosm in that it clearly has its limitations.
Interesting. I have some books by Don Miguel Ruiz and his teachings of the Toltec way. Very practical
Your presentation of the ego is at odds of how he presented it---he associates the ego as a toxic disease that spreads. He actually promotes identifying the ego and getting it under control and to never take anything personal. I do see how the ego serves as a purpose in constructive ways, and of course I see how the ego has been really destructive. It is to my understanding from what I have observed and experienced, is that everything is a microcosm to what is relative.
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has anybody had the opportunity to read Michael Shermer book on strange beliefs? Ever since I seen his video on TED com. I had to go and get the book , it certainly realigns you with reality.
Enjoy the video!
Enjoy the video!
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StressFree: Interesting. I have some books by Don Miguel Ruiz and his teachings of the Toltec way. Very practical Your presentation of the ego is at odds of how he presented it---he associates the ego as a toxic disease that spreads. He actually promotes identifying the ego and getting it under control and to never take anything personal.
I do see how the ego serves as a purpose in constructive ways, and of course I see how the ego has been really destructive. It is to my understanding from what I have observed and experienced, is that everything is a microcosm to what is relative.
I do see how the ego serves as a purpose in constructive ways, and of course I see how the ego has been really destructive. It is to my understanding from what I have observed and experienced, is that everything is a microcosm to what is relative.
l'm only a little familiar with Don Miguel, every Nagual carries their own unique energy, and so have their own unique interpretation of the teachings. Much like the Sufi Baraka, the energy of the Nagual will detemine how the Teachings are presented. We call these lineages, l'm from a different lineage. This is quite a complicated affair, but my lineage focuses primarily on Dreaming, essentially being a Dreamer Lineage, tho it is not exclusive to Dreamers. lt is said that there a four types of people, Dreamers, Stalkers, Seers, and Naguals. Every Nagual is a Seer, and will have developed Dreaming and Stalking equally, but will have a prediliction for either Dreaming or Stalking. My Teacher is a Dreamer by prediliction, and this will have an effect on how the Teachings are presented. lt's a long time since l read Don Miguel's books, and when l did l wasn't aware of what l am now, so don't know his prediliction, but generally those Nagual's that write to bring the Teachings to posterity are Stalkers by prediliction. A good example of this is Theun Mares, in his books the ego is hardly mentioned at all. He can be found on youtube.
lf you compare him to Don Miguel, you'll probably find that there is little correlation between how they present the Teachings, tho the core Teachings are the same. This is because the Teachings are separated into two distinct catagories: Teachings for the Right-side, and Teachings for the Left-side. The Right-side can be equated with the Manifest and the Left-side with the Unmanifest.
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From my perspective, what l think there is an absence of is Harmony, but that in no way effects the oneness. So the question for me is: is the stance you take one that makes you an agent for Harmony, or an agent for disharmony, do you contribute to the problem that you perceive, or do you work to antidote it? Not a question to you personally, but one l think we need to ask ourselves, like l said no offence intended.
I do everything in my power to keep things simple---focus on my inner-harmony and surround myself with harmonious people, things,and experiences. Those are things I can control. How ever you perceive that is out of my control.
The exchange between me and Prana was our exchange, so in that sense, it was really between me and Prana. If you learned something like Prana's exchange out of that, then that's awesome!