2012---the truth according to Maya scholars---you may relax! (178)
StressFree: Yep, I mentioned this earlier in this page or last---solar flares being possibly violent at the peak of the solar 11-year solar cycle in 2012. Potentially, satellite communications may be wiped out and potentially nothing may happen. Lets hope nothing happens. My hero Michio Kaku, has stated that the peak of the solar cycle may be violent and wants to take the necessary precautionary actions to insure our communication systems are not wiped out (economic activity would stand still)---an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. This is not science. It's crap by some dude who twisted a quote by NASA in order to align with his nonsensical planet X theory or this ridciulous second sun theory. Pathetic.
Here is how it was dubunked and shredded to pieces. Sorry, no planet X or second sun. I may have one time believed in planet X and Sitchin's theory, but after further examination, blah
and one more to squash this planet X theory...
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Here is how it was dubunked and shredded to pieces. Sorry, no planet X or second sun. I may have one time believed in planet X and Sitchin's theory, but after further examination, blah
and one more to squash this planet X theory...
*edit for clarity
Bro, my point is that there are lots of people/things running around masquearding as science, as well as lot of really bad self-interest driven science and some really bad theoretical science accepted as factual science.
Finding the diamond in this rough, of 'science' and 'spirituality' requires (JMO) that one doesn't always toss the baby out with the bath water, or rest their laurels on what is only 'accepted' by a majority of science as empirical. A majority actually means very little other than, many think a certain thing is fact.
Debunkers use the unknown to create the known belief or to re-affirm their position.
Its really quite an interesting dance, where neither party is immune to using devices of support.
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StressFree: Okay MGaff, I have a better understanding now of where you stand now. I think I have a good understanding of the concepts you present and I recognize it as analogous to other views from other spiritualities and religions---not to discredit it, but to enable and confirm these Tonal and The Nagual concepts. I use science (especially psychology) and self-spirituality to form my reality and consciousness.
I believe humanity has being trying to uncover the unknown in quest of a taste of the unknowable in our planetary history. The Judeo-Christian-Islam heritage states the Unknowable as God, and any explanation of God to us would not be met by understanding by our limited beliefs and realities. Indigenous Americans refer to the Unknowable as the 'Great Mystery/Creator'. I'm just looking at what I see as some quick parallels to my understanding.
Maybe to the perspective of many, this process has been too slow. However, there has been dramatic changes at high speeds in our society and culture since the 60's and one can make a solid argument that we are undergoing a major period of a paradigm shift (not the first time it's happened)---though the current shift may be considered in the infancy stage.
To explore the unknown, which is said to be found in our subconscious and higher selves, we supposedly we receive glimpses of the Unknowable and perceive it little by little into our reality as the unknown becomes well known. So when science is able to empirically prove metaphysical and spiritual concepts, our paradigm broadens and deepens which is accompanied by a shift in awareness and consciousness. The impossible becomes the possible, the unknown becomes the known and everything is changed as far as how we see ourselves individually, collectively, and in a cosmic sense. Spiritual leaders from all disciplines
I see the bridge between "The Known" and "The Unknown" being curiosity, exploration, choice, experience, growth and self/collective realization. In any case, more and more people are rejecting old dogmas and indoctrinations, especially turbulent times. And change is happening because more and more people are becoming more aware and conscious to the fact that change is needed if we are to truly experience what we seek to exist in. My two cents here, is that change begins from within, and the more people that experience inner-change and harmony as individuals, the better off our world will be in the long run. That is all we can really control, is ourselves.
I believe humanity has being trying to uncover the unknown in quest of a taste of the unknowable in our planetary history. The Judeo-Christian-Islam heritage states the Unknowable as God, and any explanation of God to us would not be met by understanding by our limited beliefs and realities. Indigenous Americans refer to the Unknowable as the 'Great Mystery/Creator'. I'm just looking at what I see as some quick parallels to my understanding.
Maybe to the perspective of many, this process has been too slow. However, there has been dramatic changes at high speeds in our society and culture since the 60's and one can make a solid argument that we are undergoing a major period of a paradigm shift (not the first time it's happened)---though the current shift may be considered in the infancy stage.
To explore the unknown, which is said to be found in our subconscious and higher selves, we supposedly we receive glimpses of the Unknowable and perceive it little by little into our reality as the unknown becomes well known. So when science is able to empirically prove metaphysical and spiritual concepts, our paradigm broadens and deepens which is accompanied by a shift in awareness and consciousness. The impossible becomes the possible, the unknown becomes the known and everything is changed as far as how we see ourselves individually, collectively, and in a cosmic sense. Spiritual leaders from all disciplines
I see the bridge between "The Known" and "The Unknown" being curiosity, exploration, choice, experience, growth and self/collective realization. In any case, more and more people are rejecting old dogmas and indoctrinations, especially turbulent times. And change is happening because more and more people are becoming more aware and conscious to the fact that change is needed if we are to truly experience what we seek to exist in. My two cents here, is that change begins from within, and the more people that experience inner-change and harmony as individuals, the better off our world will be in the long run. That is all we can really control, is ourselves.
Right now we're getting somewhere, cool!
One thing l will bring up regarding the Native American perspective, what they call Wakan Tanka, is Great Spirit, the Great Spirit is analogous to what would be understood to be God. The Great Mystery however is seen as the dwelling place of the Great Spirit, and so could be termed the Unknowable. From my own extensive studies, l have found no concept in other religions or philosophies that parallels the Unknowable. ln the way l have been taught, the Mystery is not to be solved, but is to inspire awe and wonder. Which apparently is why White people have such difficulty in approaching it in the appropriate way!
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MGaff: Right now we're getting somewhere, cool!
One thing l will bring up regarding the Native American perspective, what they call Wakan Tanka, is Great Spirit, the Great Spirit is analogous to what would be understood to be God. The Great Mystery however is seen as the dwelling place of the Great Spirit, and so could be termed the Unknowable. From my own extensive studies, l have found no concept in other religions or philosophies that parallels the Unknowable. ln the way l have been taught, the Mystery is not to be solved, but is to inspire awe and wonder. Which apparently is why White people have such difficulty in approaching it in the appropriate way!
One thing l will bring up regarding the Native American perspective, what they call Wakan Tanka, is Great Spirit, the Great Spirit is analogous to what would be understood to be God. The Great Mystery however is seen as the dwelling place of the Great Spirit, and so could be termed the Unknowable. From my own extensive studies, l have found no concept in other religions or philosophies that parallels the Unknowable. ln the way l have been taught, the Mystery is not to be solved, but is to inspire awe and wonder. Which apparently is why White people have such difficulty in approaching it in the appropriate way!
Buddhism has a similarity.... if you meet Buddha, then kill him.
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bohdiprana: Bro, my point is that there are lots of people/things running around masquearding as science, as well as lot of really bad self-interest driven science and some really bad theoretical science accepted as factual science.
Finding the diamond in this rough, of 'science' and 'spirituality' requires (JMO) that one doesn't always toss the baby out with the bath water, or rest their laurels on what is only 'accepted' by a majority of science as empirical. A majority actually means very little other than, many think a certain thing is fact.
Debunkers use the unknown to create the known belief or to re-affirm their position. Its really quite an interesting dance, where neither party is immune to using devices of support.
Finding the diamond in this rough, of 'science' and 'spirituality' requires (JMO) that one doesn't always toss the baby out with the bath water, or rest their laurels on what is only 'accepted' by a majority of science as empirical. A majority actually means very little other than, many think a certain thing is fact.
Debunkers use the unknown to create the known belief or to re-affirm their position. Its really quite an interesting dance, where neither party is immune to using devices of support.
I see your point, and science needs to be continually questioned from all angles. However, the notion of this second sun approaching or a massive planet out there, there should be some gravitational effects on Pluto, Neptune, and Uranus. There is none and I don't even need to go to NASA or some astronomy site to figure that out. There are simple mass to mass gravitational relationships and laws from what I learned in my Astronomy course in college and there is no proof that any planet of sun is within string distance of our universe. It's just facts and not some bad science or conspiracy.
Debunk'd!!!
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StressFree: I see your point, and science needs to be continually questioned from all angles. However, the notion of this second sun approaching or a massive planet out there, there should be some gravitational effects on Pluto, Neptune, and Uranus. There is none and I don't even need to go to NASA or some astronomy site to figure that out. There are simple mass to mass gravitational relationships and laws from what I learned in my Astronomy course in college and there is no proof that any planet of sun is within string distance of our universe. It's just facts and not some bad science or conspiracy.
Debunk'd!!!
Debunk'd!!!
Hopi prophesy, The Blue Star Kachina...
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MGaff: Nah, not part of the phrase, but part of the overall teachings. Pretty much the whole thing was put together in such a way as to paint a particular picture, to give it a slant.
The Gospel of Thomas is a good one to look at:
"The document is very different in tone and structure from the four Canonical Gospels, or even other non-canonical gospels. Unlike the Canonical Gospels, it is not a narrative account of the life of Jesus; rather, it consists of logia, or wisdom sayings, with short dialogues, attributed to Jesus. The document has no reference to the divinity of Jesus, his crucifixion and resurrection or to the final judgement."
The Gospel of Thomas is a good one to look at:
"The document is very different in tone and structure from the four Canonical Gospels, or even other non-canonical gospels. Unlike the Canonical Gospels, it is not a narrative account of the life of Jesus; rather, it consists of logia, or wisdom sayings, with short dialogues, attributed to Jesus. The document has no reference to the divinity of Jesus, his crucifixion and resurrection or to the final judgement."
Well this makes me even more curious about the original logia, and it's missing what is essentially the completion of the wisdom itself. Placing it somewhere else is curious. Perhaps slanting as you say.
I'm not even close to a biblical scholar, nor am I even remotely inclined to religion or external godheads. Christ consciousness I can get into in archetypal use... so I'll look for this in Tommy
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MGaff: Hopi prophesy, The Blue Star Kachina...
Check out this one too, interesting...
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MGaff: Hopi prophesy, The Blue Star Kachina...
This is also supported in other documentation. I think if I recall in some work by Nassim Haramein, using NASA videos. It's even presented in blue.
Don't ask me to link it either Stressless one ... too many vids to wade through. Actually I think you already saw it, if you recall.
BeDunked!!!
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MGaff: Check out this one too, interesting...
It also refers to the ban or quarantine being lifted. And the numbers of people being awoken, though some 'know' they just aren't reaching inside for the awareness of self and natural earth movement, among other things.
Something else for consideration is that we don't need to be able to see anything approaching. We need microscopes and telescopes and infra-red lenses to even know somethings exist that we wouldn't have known about without them. Who's to say we have all the tools necessary to see many, many other things. It would be errant to make such an assumption.
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bohdiprana: Well this makes me even more curious about the original logia, and it's missing what is essentially the completion of the wisdom itself. Placing it somewhere else is curious. Perhaps slanting as you say.
I'm not even close to a biblical scholar, nor am I even remotely inclined to religion or external godheads. Christ consciousness I can get into in archetypal use... so I'll look for this in Tommy
I'm not even close to a biblical scholar, nor am I even remotely inclined to religion or external godheads. Christ consciousness I can get into in archetypal use... so I'll look for this in Tommy
Here's Tommy for ya!
"Let him who seeks not cease from seeking until he finds, and when he finds he will be disturbed, and when he is disturbed, he will marvel, and he shall reign over the ALL."
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MGaff: Here's Tommy for ya!
"Let him who seeks not cease from seeking until he finds, and when he finds he will be disturbed, and when he is disturbed, he will marvel, and he shall reign over the ALL."
"Let him who seeks not cease from seeking until he finds, and when he finds he will be disturbed, and when he is disturbed, he will marvel, and he shall reign over the ALL."
Running into your 'self'.
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bigger than the sun.
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bohdiprana:
Desire, define, dedicate, detach .. the path of enlightenment.
Desire, define, dedicate, detach .. the path of enlightenment.
Just noting the polarity of awareness/enlightenment!
Dumbed down, doped up, distracted, defenseless.
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bohdiprana: bigger than the sun.
l wonder if the "unexpected eruption has now grown larger than the sun" could be equated with the BlueStar Kachina taking of his mask?
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MGaff: l wonder if the "unexpected eruption has now grown larger than the sun" could be equated with the BlueStar Kachina taking of his mask?
they are apparently having trouble getting a fix on it in all that cloud debris, but it sounds equitable for sure. Didn't it fragment rather than erupt? or both? Have to read it again. Maybe its just dumb science. 
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bohdiprana: There are many who see a lot of the illusions in this duality. Are there more things to break through? Likely, but I think this is within the realm of possibility. In fact for me it is what guides me, and I trust and 'know' in "seek and ye shall find, ask and it will be given, knock and the door will be opened to you." I probably screwed up the original version, but you get the drift.
I totally agree with the expression, seek and you hall fine or knock and it shall open...that's how humanity got, to where we are now, meaning, we cannot breack through the illusion of all possibilities. Lesser gods are playing chase with us and the supreme may not even know it.
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custommade: I totally agree with the expression, seek and you hall fine or knock and it shall open...that's how humanity got, to where we are now, meaning, we cannot breack through the illusion of all possibilities. Lesser gods are playing chase with us and the supreme may not even know it.
ya lost me... supreme what?
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MGaff: Check out this one too, interesting...
Interesting and the info seems to be arranged from scattered sources and lumped into one presentation and a subjective view to suite yet another prophecy from what I see...but aren't most views subjective lol. I have never seen this blue star Kachina theory until recently. It was to my understanding that Kachina is a spirit and it's well documented and from what I have gathered is that there is a strong similarity of various elements of Hopi spirituality to that of the Aztecs (who in turn resemble Mayan myth aspects).
From what I've read in books concerning Native wisdom written mostly by Siouxs, the Hopi prophecy says the world as we know it will end if the White Brother does not heed the Sacred Way of the Red Brother and share his mission to develop technology in that spirit; yet, it also says, the destruction of Purification will be stalled as long as one Hopi still holds the right path with his simple digging stick.
From a Sioux's point of view, it states "the present environmental dilemma makes me believe that th planet could become uninhabitable if present values, lifestyles and even certain religious beliefs are not seriously introspected and altered. The idea that human is the unlimited inheritor of tis earth and that the planet must be subdued to satisfy his materialistic appetite is proving to be a totally false assumption."
In any case, the Sioux author says that too many non-Indians who elevate every utterance a Native American makes as if it is what all Native Americans will agree with. The author goes on to say that he does not know of any Sioux myths that focus on the end of time. As far as the end of the world is concerned, Black Elk's vision holds an environmental warning of ominous destruction by the Blue Man of greed and corruption, and that he believes that this time is upon us now---the book is from 2002.
I'm inclined to believe that the seeds of radical change were planted in the 60's and is still in motion. I see distinct trends from politics to spirituality pointing towards great change in the future. A quick illustration is how the 18-29 voting demographic in America registered as independents and were a force in helping the first black President being elected in the United States. Another is how self-spirituality is on the rise as well as atheism/agnosticism and feminism/equalism compared with the generations before the 60's.
I'd speculate that a new party will arise in the future (Green/Eco) and will reflect more of the people's desires and wishes to be governed fairly and in line with respecting and taking care of our ecology as well as using and promoting new eco technologies which may perhaps be more efficient and cheaper. And maybe we can finally get an overhaul in our educational institutions. I'd even venture to say that maybe there will be a true and balanced world organization like the UN in which there is no dominant country influencing policies unfairly and not deemed as a bureaucratic inefficiency and waste. Too many, cries of conspiracy are tied to this like the NWO and so forth...pathetic in my opinion.
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StressFree: Interesting and the info seems to be arranged from scattered sources and lumped into one presentation and a subjective view to suite yet another prophecy from what I see...but aren't most views subjective lol. I have never seen this blue star Kachina theory until recently. It was to my understanding that Kachina is a spirit and it's well documented and from what I have gathered is that there is a strong similarity of various elements of Hopi spirituality to that of the Aztecs (who in turn resemble Mayan myth aspects).
From what I've read in books concerning Native wisdom written mostly by Siouxs, the Hopi prophecy says the world as we know it will end if the White Brother does not heed the Sacred Way of the Red Brother and share his mission to develop technology in that spirit; yet, it also says, the destruction of Purification will be stalled as long as one Hopi still holds the right path with his simple digging stick.
From a Sioux's point of view, it states "the present environmental dilemma makes me believe that th planet could become uninhabitable if present values, lifestyles and even certain religious beliefs are not seriously introspected and altered. The idea that human is the unlimited inheritor of tis earth and that the planet must be subdued to satisfy his materialistic appetite is proving to be a totally false assumption."
In any case, the Sioux author says that too many non-Indians who elevate every utterance a Native American makes as if it is what all Native Americans will agree with. The author goes on to say that he does not know of any Sioux myths that focus on the end of time. As far as the end of the world is concerned, Black Elk's vision holds an environmental warning of ominous destruction by the Blue Man of greed and corruption, and that he believes that this time is upon us now---the book is from 2002.
I'm inclined to believe that the seeds of radical change were planted in the 60's and is still in motion. I see distinct trends from politics to spirituality pointing towards great change in the future. A quick illustration is how the 18-29 voting demographic in America registered as independents and were a force in helping the first black President being elected in the United States. Another is how self-spirituality is on the rise as well as atheism/agnosticism and feminism/equalism compared with the generations before the 60's.
I'd speculate that a new party will arise in the future (Green/Eco) and will reflect more of the people's desires and wishes to be governed fairly and in line with respecting and taking care of our ecology as well as using and promoting new eco technologies which may perhaps be more efficient and cheaper. And maybe we can finally get an overhaul in our educational institutions. I'd even venture to say that maybe there will be a true and balanced world organization like the UN in which there is no dominant country influencing policies unfairly and not deemed as a bureaucratic inefficiency and waste. Too many, cries of conspiracy are tied to this like the NWO and so forth...pathetic in my opinion.
From what I've read in books concerning Native wisdom written mostly by Siouxs, the Hopi prophecy says the world as we know it will end if the White Brother does not heed the Sacred Way of the Red Brother and share his mission to develop technology in that spirit; yet, it also says, the destruction of Purification will be stalled as long as one Hopi still holds the right path with his simple digging stick.
From a Sioux's point of view, it states "the present environmental dilemma makes me believe that th planet could become uninhabitable if present values, lifestyles and even certain religious beliefs are not seriously introspected and altered. The idea that human is the unlimited inheritor of tis earth and that the planet must be subdued to satisfy his materialistic appetite is proving to be a totally false assumption."
In any case, the Sioux author says that too many non-Indians who elevate every utterance a Native American makes as if it is what all Native Americans will agree with. The author goes on to say that he does not know of any Sioux myths that focus on the end of time. As far as the end of the world is concerned, Black Elk's vision holds an environmental warning of ominous destruction by the Blue Man of greed and corruption, and that he believes that this time is upon us now---the book is from 2002.
I'm inclined to believe that the seeds of radical change were planted in the 60's and is still in motion. I see distinct trends from politics to spirituality pointing towards great change in the future. A quick illustration is how the 18-29 voting demographic in America registered as independents and were a force in helping the first black President being elected in the United States. Another is how self-spirituality is on the rise as well as atheism/agnosticism and feminism/equalism compared with the generations before the 60's.
I'd speculate that a new party will arise in the future (Green/Eco) and will reflect more of the people's desires and wishes to be governed fairly and in line with respecting and taking care of our ecology as well as using and promoting new eco technologies which may perhaps be more efficient and cheaper. And maybe we can finally get an overhaul in our educational institutions. I'd even venture to say that maybe there will be a true and balanced world organization like the UN in which there is no dominant country influencing policies unfairly and not deemed as a bureaucratic inefficiency and waste. Too many, cries of conspiracy are tied to this like the NWO and so forth...pathetic in my opinion.
How do you successfully unravel the oil and fossil fuel industry without creating a ton of economic misery that people will be up in arms about? And thats just one industry, with a trickle down affect would be unfathomable. I don't see humanity doing this on there own. Governments rarely if ever remove crappy laws from the books, rarely if ever pay themselves as equals on this planet.
I think there needs to be a really big push from something else, one of those 'last chance' kind of messeges.
We really do need to be one world, and that will be difficult in the present climate of conspiracy.
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My personal take on this is meditative in connection with the higher self. (using the pineal gland for optimum affect, but not needed to have affect)
Seeking is 'attention' to a path and the goal of that path.(seek/focus/desire)
Asking is 'intention' on the path, what you want to manifest. (ask/define)
Knocking is 'action' opening the door or bringing to light what you have manifested. (knock/manifest or could be 'dedication')
I think it is about knowledge, fueled by the knowledge that we are lacking some knowledge. The constant duality nature, rebalancing it's self on the polarity of knowing/not knowing.
It could be much simpler application I guess.
What is curiously missing from those informative words is the 'detachment' aspect Maybe it was edited or is included in some the omitted texts?
Desire, define, dedicate, detach .. the path of enlightenment.
"When you pray, give thanks for having already received".