2012---the truth according to Maya scholars---you may relax! (178)
More debunking by scientific evidence...and the naysayers will tell you it's a coverup or some conspiracy...without evidence of course. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!
"Q: Could a phenomena occur where planets align in a way that impacts Earth?
A: There are no planetary alignments in the next few decades, Earth will not cross the galactic plane in 2012, and even if these alignments were to occur, their effects on the Earth would be negligible. Each December the Earth and sun align with the approximate center of the Milky Way Galaxy but that is an annual event of no consequence.
For any claims of disaster or dramatic changes in 2012, where is the science? Where is the evidence? There is none, and for all the fictional assertions, whether they are made in books, movies, documentaries or over the Internet, we cannot change that simple fact. There is no credible evidence for any of the assertions made in support of unusual events taking place in December 2012."
"Fast-forward to 1995. That year John Major Jenkins packaged several of these themes into Maya Cosmogenesis 2012. According to Jenkins, the winter-solstice point and the centerline of the Galaxy will line up exactly on Dec. 21. Arguing that this motivated the Maya to contrive the calendar to end on that date, Jenkins concludes that it will be "a tremendous transformation and opportunity for spiritual growth, a transition from one world age to another."
In fact, astronomy cannot pinpoint such a "galactic alignment" to within a year, much less a day. The alignment depends on the rather arbitrary modern definition of the galactic equator, and/or the visual appearance of the Milky Way. There is no precise definition of the Milky Way's edges -- they are very vague and depend on the clarity of your view. (Jenkins says that he personally established the Milky Way’s edges by viewing it from 11,000 feet, far above anywhere the Maya lived.) So to give a precise visual position for its centerline is not meaningful.
The Secret NASA Conspiracy
Some advocates for the 2012 catastrophe say that what will actually cause the devastation is an alignment of planets. There is no planet alignment on the winter solstice in 2012. Nonetheless, advocates of doom connect the fictional alignment to astrological predictions or groundless claims about a reversal of Earth's magnetic field and unprecedented solar storms. Many internet postings and guests on all-night apocalyptic radio have elaborated on these themes.
In particular, several threads of irrational thought have created an internet phantom, the secret planet Nibiru. It's the bowling ball, and Earth is the pin. There is no such planet, though it is often equated with Eris, a plutoid orbiting safely and permanently beyond Pluto. Some insist, however, that a NASA conspiracy is in play and that Nibiru, looming in on the approach, can already be seen in broad daylight from the Southern Hemisphere. It was supposed to become visible from the Northern Hemisphere, too, by last May, but like a fickle blind date, it stood up those awaiting it.
Others on the Web, confused about the supposed alignment of the winter-solstice sun with the Milky Way's center, have declared that the Sun is now plummeting to the Milky Way’s center and dragging Earth with it. The predicted result? Earth’s polar axis will shift. Most of what's claimed for 2012 relies on wishful thinking, wild pseudoscientific folly, ignorance of astronomy, and a level of paranoia worthy of Night of the Living Dead."
"Q: Could a phenomena occur where planets align in a way that impacts Earth?
A: There are no planetary alignments in the next few decades, Earth will not cross the galactic plane in 2012, and even if these alignments were to occur, their effects on the Earth would be negligible. Each December the Earth and sun align with the approximate center of the Milky Way Galaxy but that is an annual event of no consequence.
For any claims of disaster or dramatic changes in 2012, where is the science? Where is the evidence? There is none, and for all the fictional assertions, whether they are made in books, movies, documentaries or over the Internet, we cannot change that simple fact. There is no credible evidence for any of the assertions made in support of unusual events taking place in December 2012."
"Fast-forward to 1995. That year John Major Jenkins packaged several of these themes into Maya Cosmogenesis 2012. According to Jenkins, the winter-solstice point and the centerline of the Galaxy will line up exactly on Dec. 21. Arguing that this motivated the Maya to contrive the calendar to end on that date, Jenkins concludes that it will be "a tremendous transformation and opportunity for spiritual growth, a transition from one world age to another."
In fact, astronomy cannot pinpoint such a "galactic alignment" to within a year, much less a day. The alignment depends on the rather arbitrary modern definition of the galactic equator, and/or the visual appearance of the Milky Way. There is no precise definition of the Milky Way's edges -- they are very vague and depend on the clarity of your view. (Jenkins says that he personally established the Milky Way’s edges by viewing it from 11,000 feet, far above anywhere the Maya lived.) So to give a precise visual position for its centerline is not meaningful.
The Secret NASA Conspiracy
Some advocates for the 2012 catastrophe say that what will actually cause the devastation is an alignment of planets. There is no planet alignment on the winter solstice in 2012. Nonetheless, advocates of doom connect the fictional alignment to astrological predictions or groundless claims about a reversal of Earth's magnetic field and unprecedented solar storms. Many internet postings and guests on all-night apocalyptic radio have elaborated on these themes.
In particular, several threads of irrational thought have created an internet phantom, the secret planet Nibiru. It's the bowling ball, and Earth is the pin. There is no such planet, though it is often equated with Eris, a plutoid orbiting safely and permanently beyond Pluto. Some insist, however, that a NASA conspiracy is in play and that Nibiru, looming in on the approach, can already be seen in broad daylight from the Southern Hemisphere. It was supposed to become visible from the Northern Hemisphere, too, by last May, but like a fickle blind date, it stood up those awaiting it.
Others on the Web, confused about the supposed alignment of the winter-solstice sun with the Milky Way's center, have declared that the Sun is now plummeting to the Milky Way’s center and dragging Earth with it. The predicted result? Earth’s polar axis will shift. Most of what's claimed for 2012 relies on wishful thinking, wild pseudoscientific folly, ignorance of astronomy, and a level of paranoia worthy of Night of the Living Dead."
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EliteOne: I did say there was a fine line between madness and genius …. he ended up suffering from schizophrenia in the 2nd part of his life. Never the less despite of his illness the mind kept on ticking over with new ideas.
I wonder how many times he zapped himself or jumped into an anti gravity field, a hyper space stream or channeled Ra without knowing.
This could account for dual personalities. 
speaking of bi-polar tesla
this a variation or similar invention on what is called by other sources a hyper space energy antenna. It's not done quite right to do that though because the cones/triangles need to overlap or intersect like an X with a near 33 degree angle at the apex. then the coils wind up and down following the angles rather than encircling the the triangles.
Its also a very close representation of the visualization done in the Mukabar Meditation, seeing the X'd triangles and envision the energy coiling up then spreading out and back down again.
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Damn it, bro', now I'm beginning to wonder if I should've run up all those credit cards! 
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StressFree:
"In fact, the sun as already crossed the Galactic Equator in 1999. The edge of the sun first touched the equator in the early 1980’s, and will be in contact with it each 21st of December until about 2019. Again, this “rare” alignment has already been happening for twenty-five years and will continue for a decade more." - Mark Van Stone
"In fact, the sun as already crossed the Galactic Equator in 1999. The edge of the sun first touched the equator in the early 1980’s, and will be in contact with it each 21st of December until about 2019. Again, this “rare” alignment has already been happening for twenty-five years and will continue for a decade more." - Mark Van Stone
There's something really fishy about that statement.
As the Galaxy is essentially a flat disk spiraling around its center, the sun, and all other stars in the galaxy are essentially always on the equator. There's probably less than 10° of variation from the plane of the equator for all the stars in the galaxy. So being on the equator is no big deal.
And the part about the sun touching the equator every 21st of December is absolutely impossible. The sun doesn't do anything at all in a yearly cycle. A year is the time it takes the earth to go around the sun, and the earth's orbit has no influence whatsoever on the movement of the sun.
The sun revolves around the galaxy in a cycle that takes hundreds of thousands of years and it's "movement" in relation to the center of the Galaxy is practically imperceptible in a century. So it's impossible for the sun to be doing anything at all every 21st of December. Only the earth operates on a yearly cycle.
Either that Guy Mark Van Stone is a phony, or someone is just using his name to to lend credence to claims that any genuine scientist would see through in a second.
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RayfromUSA: There's something really fishy about that statement.
As the Galaxy is essentially a flat disk spiraling around its center, the sun, and all other stars in the galaxy are essentially always on the equator. There's probably less than 10° of variation from the plane of the equator for all the stars in the galaxy. So being on the equator is no big deal.
And the part about the sun touching the equator every 21st of December is absolutely impossible. The sun doesn't do anything at all in a yearly cycle. A year is the time it takes the earth to go around the sun, and the earth's orbit has no influence whatsoever on the movement of the sun.
The sun revolves around the galaxy in a cycle that takes hundreds of thousands of years and it's "movement" in relation to the center of the Galaxy is practically imperceptible in a century. So it's impossible for the sun to be doing anything at all every 21st of December. Only the earth operates on a yearly cycle.
Either that Guy Mark Van Stone is a phony, or someone is just using his name to to lend credence to claims that any genuine scientist would see through in a second.
As the Galaxy is essentially a flat disk spiraling around its center, the sun, and all other stars in the galaxy are essentially always on the equator. There's probably less than 10° of variation from the plane of the equator for all the stars in the galaxy. So being on the equator is no big deal.
And the part about the sun touching the equator every 21st of December is absolutely impossible. The sun doesn't do anything at all in a yearly cycle. A year is the time it takes the earth to go around the sun, and the earth's orbit has no influence whatsoever on the movement of the sun.
The sun revolves around the galaxy in a cycle that takes hundreds of thousands of years and it's "movement" in relation to the center of the Galaxy is practically imperceptible in a century. So it's impossible for the sun to be doing anything at all every 21st of December. Only the earth operates on a yearly cycle.
Either that Guy Mark Van Stone is a phony, or someone is just using his name to to lend credence to claims that any genuine scientist would see through in a second.
Kind of hard to be anything but earth centric.
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Ambrose2007: Damn it, bro', now I'm beginning to wonder if I should've run up all those credit cards!
Don't worry Ambrose, whether the world ends in 2012 or not, hyperinflation is inevitable within the next couple of years, so spending your money while it still had value was a good idea.
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bohdiprana: Kind of hard to be anything but earth centric.
If that Mark Van Stone guy is making claims like that, I'd say he's not just earth centric, he thinks the universe revolves around himself.
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RayfromUSA: There's something really fishy about that statement.
As the Galaxy is essentially a flat disk spiraling around its center, the sun, and all other stars in the galaxy are essentially always on the equator. There's probably less than 10° of variation from the plane of the equator for all the stars in the galaxy. So being on the equator is no big deal.
As the Galaxy is essentially a flat disk spiraling around its center, the sun, and all other stars in the galaxy are essentially always on the equator. There's probably less than 10° of variation from the plane of the equator for all the stars in the galaxy. So being on the equator is no big deal.
A coil moving (or so they say) in space/time. The equator is generally the place to be in winter. Big deal from my persepective
The idea is however not the galactic equator but the alignment with the center of the universe on planes decided by sumerians/mayans and possibly ET's is equatorial in nature to the universe's beginning.. the big bang origination.
It did however occur as a matter of mathmatical science occur in the late 80's or 90's as I recall. Timing these things within space time is somewhat irrelevant in the process of manifestation.
A cursory knowledge of astrology which in early times as synonymous with astronomy, shows that manifestationof events doesn't happen dead center of any passing phase or 'degree' of progression/regression necessarily, as there are other ingredients/influences (other stellar objects/energies) for lack of a better term that contribute to an event.
2012 is just a median lying within what we perceive as space time. I'm not sure space/time is by any law required to consider what we think or see as accurate.
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RayfromUSA: If that Mark Van Stone guy is making claims like that, I'd say he's not just earth centric, he thinks the universe revolves around himself.
Mine does
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RayfromUSA: There's something really fishy about that statement.
As the Galaxy is essentially a flat disk spiraling around its center, the sun, and all other stars in the galaxy are essentially always on the equator. There's probably less than 10° of variation from the plane of the equator for all the stars in the galaxy. So being on the equator is no big deal.
And the part about the sun touching the equator every 21st of December is absolutely impossible. The sun doesn't do anything at all in a yearly cycle. A year is the time it takes the earth to go around the sun, and the earth's orbit has no influence whatsoever on the movement of the sun.
The sun revolves around the galaxy in a cycle that takes hundreds of thousands of years and it's "movement" in relation to the center of the Galaxy is practically imperceptible in a century. So it's impossible for the sun to be doing anything at all every 21st of December. Only the earth operates on a yearly cycle.
Either that Guy Mark Van Stone is a phony, or someone is just using his name to to lend credence to claims that any genuine scientist would see through in a second.
As the Galaxy is essentially a flat disk spiraling around its center, the sun, and all other stars in the galaxy are essentially always on the equator. There's probably less than 10° of variation from the plane of the equator for all the stars in the galaxy. So being on the equator is no big deal.
And the part about the sun touching the equator every 21st of December is absolutely impossible. The sun doesn't do anything at all in a yearly cycle. A year is the time it takes the earth to go around the sun, and the earth's orbit has no influence whatsoever on the movement of the sun.
The sun revolves around the galaxy in a cycle that takes hundreds of thousands of years and it's "movement" in relation to the center of the Galaxy is practically imperceptible in a century. So it's impossible for the sun to be doing anything at all every 21st of December. Only the earth operates on a yearly cycle.
Either that Guy Mark Van Stone is a phony, or someone is just using his name to to lend credence to claims that any genuine scientist would see through in a second.
Mark Van Stone's quote you picked out is backed by astronomers and NASA. I don't know man lol...
I think you misunderstood what he is saying and I'm far too tired to break it down in a way that Carl Sagan can appreciate it. Van Stone elaborates starting from page 31 on the pdf link...
other related stuff that I can only answer in links...
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RayfromUSA: There's something really fishy about that statement.
And the part about the sun touching the equator every 21st of December is absolutely impossible. The sun doesn't do anything at all in a yearly cycle. A year is the time it takes the earth to go around the sun, and the earth's orbit has no influence whatsoever on the movement of the sun.
The sun revolves around the galaxy in a cycle that takes hundreds of thousands of years and it's "movement" in relation to the center of the Galaxy is practically imperceptible in a century. So it's impossible for the sun to be doing anything at all every 21st of December. Only the earth operates on a yearly cycle.
Either that Guy Mark Van Stone is a phony, or someone is just using his name to to lend credence to claims that any genuine scientist would see through in a second.
And the part about the sun touching the equator every 21st of December is absolutely impossible. The sun doesn't do anything at all in a yearly cycle. A year is the time it takes the earth to go around the sun, and the earth's orbit has no influence whatsoever on the movement of the sun.
The sun revolves around the galaxy in a cycle that takes hundreds of thousands of years and it's "movement" in relation to the center of the Galaxy is practically imperceptible in a century. So it's impossible for the sun to be doing anything at all every 21st of December. Only the earth operates on a yearly cycle.
Either that Guy Mark Van Stone is a phony, or someone is just using his name to to lend credence to claims that any genuine scientist would see through in a second.
"On the winter solstice, the Sun always has a Declination of -23.5 degrees, and a Right Ascension of 18 hours, but exactly where this is on the sky relative to more distant stars changes very slowly due to the "precession of the equinoxes". We have a posted answer explaining this effect but how it's important in this answer (and how it was first noticed) is by the fact that it moves the position of the equinoxes, and solstices with a period of 26,000 years in a complete circle around the sky westward along the ecliptic. So the position of the winter solstice moves 360 degrees in 26,000 years. That means that it moves 360/26000 = 0.01 degrees a year. Defining an exact boundary for the plane of the Milky Way is tough, but it's at least 10-20 degrees wide across much of the sky, meaning that the solstice can be described as being "in the plane of the Milky Way" for 700-1400 years! To put it another way, the winter solstice that just past (2005) was only 0.1 degrees away from where it will be in 2012, a distance smaller than the size of the Sun itself (which is about 0.5 degrees in diameter). In any case the Sun crosses the plane of the Galaxy twice every year as we orbit around it, with no ill effect on Earth."
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bohdiprana:
The idea is however not the galactic equator but the alignment with the center of the universe on planes decided by sumerians/mayans and possibly ET's is equatorial in nature to the universe's beginning.. the big bang origination.
It did however occur as a matter of mathmatical science occur in the late 80's or 90's as I recall. Timing these things within space time is somewhat irrelevant in the process of manifestation.
A cursory knowledge of astrology which in early times as synonymous with astronomy, shows that manifestationof events doesn't happen dead center of any passing phase or 'degree' of progression/regression necessarily, as there are other ingredients/influences (other stellar objects/energies) for lack of a better term that contribute to an event.
2012 is just a median lying within what we perceive as space time. I'm not sure space/time is by any law required to consider what we think or see as accurate.
The idea is however not the galactic equator but the alignment with the center of the universe on planes decided by sumerians/mayans and possibly ET's is equatorial in nature to the universe's beginning.. the big bang origination.
It did however occur as a matter of mathmatical science occur in the late 80's or 90's as I recall. Timing these things within space time is somewhat irrelevant in the process of manifestation.
A cursory knowledge of astrology which in early times as synonymous with astronomy, shows that manifestationof events doesn't happen dead center of any passing phase or 'degree' of progression/regression necessarily, as there are other ingredients/influences (other stellar objects/energies) for lack of a better term that contribute to an event.
2012 is just a median lying within what we perceive as space time. I'm not sure space/time is by any law required to consider what we think or see as accurate.
Sounds like total gobbledy-gook to me.
There is no "center of the universe", or rather any point in the universe is the center of the universe.
This is determined by looking for the most distant (and therefore the oldest) galaxies in all directions. They are all moving away, not a single distant galaxy is approaching. So that would make our general part of the universe the location of the big bang.
But in fact the same would be true if one observed from any point in the universe. Every point is the center and older galaxies are all moving away.
It seems that "certerness" has more to do with time than with physical juxtaposition. The center is now. And distance is synonymous with age.
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StressFree: "On the winter solstice, the Sun always has a Declination of -23.5 degrees, and a Right Ascension of 18 hours, but exactly where this is on the sky relative to more distant stars changes very slowly due to the "precession of the equinoxes".
That's all hogwash.
It's perceptual.
Not real.
angle of declination is determined by the earth's tilt, not the sun.
As far as the sun is concerned, December 21 is just another day.
The fact that it is the day when the earth's northern hemisphere is most directly pointed away from the sun is of no consequence to the sun.
If the sun were going to celebrate the solstice of one of its planets I'm sure it would choose Jupiter or Saturn, not tiny earth.
By the way, I researched that guy Mark Van Stone.
He's not an astronomer, he's not even a scientist, he's an art teacher whose hobby is supposedly linguistics.
He did some undergraduate linguistic research in early celtic written forms back in his college days and that is the basis of his claim to be a reknowned linguistic expert.
He makes his living by selling books and videos of spectacular claims supposedly derived by his ability to precisely decipher Mayan pictograms.
There is no real evidence that he has that ability other than his own claims.
As far as I'm concerned he's just a scammer in the tradition of Vendyl Jones and his only true ability is to part fools from their money.
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This video on debunking 2012 is full of science facts until the last 3 minutes in the 2nd video. 
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EliteOne: This video on debunking 2012 is full of science facts.
Thanks for sharing Eliteone!
This one is more convincing
Or this one
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StressFree: Thanks for sharing Eliteone!
This one is more convincing
Or this one
This one is more convincing
Or this one
Did you see it tho? The freak ends up pushing the bible at the end of the video!
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StressFree: Thanks for sharing Eliteone!
This one is more convincing
Or this one
This one is more convincing
Or this one
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EliteOne: Did you see it tho? The freak ends up pushing the bible at the end of the video!
Yeah, I shut if off once he started getting into his "personal views" using the bible as his reference. He was doing fine in his two videos until he went away from scientific facts and into his stupid analysis and views by using Bible prophecy. I'll never believe in any prophecy, ever.
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StressFree: Yeah, I shut if off once he started getting into his "personal views" using the bible as his reference. He was doing fine in his two videos until he went away from scientific facts and into his stupid analysis and views by using Bible prophecy. I'll never believe in any prophecy, ever.
drones .... walk the line of empirical science, follow the leader, ya lemmings.
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Commentators this past New Years Eve were saying that people won't be able to wear those oversize eyeglasses on New Years Eve until 2060 because for the past 10 years there were two zeros on the glasses and now there's only one zero. Now I can sleep at night knowing that 2012 isn't the end of the world the oversize glasses will come back in 2060