Recently, I've finally tackled this supposed 2012 Mayan doomsday or transformation prophecy---according to what has been projected by the media or what many of you label as "new agers". So I had to see what those who study the ancient and modern Maya — anthropologists, archaeologists, art historians, linguists, historians, amateurs, collectors had to say about this?
Here are some facts:
How rare is the 2012 Galactic Alignment?
"In fact, the sun as already crossed the Galactic Equator in 1999. The edge of the sun first touched the equator in the early 1980’s, and will be in contact with it each 21st of December until about 2019. Again, this “rare” alignment has already been happening for twenty-five years and will continue for a decade more." - Mark Van Stone
What did the Maya say about 2012?
"They actually said very little, if anything. Only one ancient inscription refers to the upcoming 13.0.0.0.0 date in 2012, from a now destroyed site named Tortuguero. The question we scholars have struggled with is whether the final few hieroglyphs of that text describe anything about what will happen. A few years ago I put forward a very tentative and incomplete reading of these damaged glyphs, including a possible use of a verb meaning “descend” and a name of a god, Bolon Yokte’. Much of it was iffy and remains so; I’m not sure I believe much of what I wrote back then. More recently my colleague Steve Houston has pointed out the glyphs may not even pertain to that date anyway. So there’s considerable ambiguity just in the reading of the glyphs and the rhetorical structure of the Tortuguero passage. What we can say with confidence is that the ancient Maya left no clear or definite record about 2012 and its significance. There is certainly no ancient claim that the world or any part of it will come to an end." - David Stuart
Does the Maya calendar end in 2012?
"No it doesn’t. What will happen is a recurrence, an anniversary of sorts, of a key mythological date in the distant past. The Maya wrote this as 13.0.0.0.0 in their “Long Count” calendar (an abbreviation of a much bigger number), which fell on August 11, 3114 B.C. (some correlations of the two calendars say August 13, but I don’t really care). This “creation date” was not the beginning of everything, however. Maya mythological texts tell us that plenty was happening long, long before this starting point of the current era. On December 21, 2012 (some say December 23) we come again to a numerological recurrence of 13.0.0.0.0. The Long Count calendar continues well beyond this date, too. In fact, the numerology of the calendar demands that there will be other similar recurrences of this same date in the far distant future, on a scale of octillions of years. The scale of Maya time reckoning dwarfs anything in our own cosmology by many orders of magnitude." - David Stuart
9 Reasons why the “Maya Prophecies” should be read very critically:
1. Very fragmentary. What we have is only a handful of passages from a lost, and much longer, story.
2. Contradictory. Though Aztec, Mixtec, and Maya sources provide us a number of narratives, different versions disagree. The calendar dates associated with Maya “end date,” Aztec “end date,” and “return of Quetzalcoatl” all vary. For example: the Aztec predict that this Creation will end on a 4-Movement day in a 2-Reed year, if it ends at all. The next possible Aztec end-date will be in 2027. Maya literature does not explicitly predict any end at all, and their so-called “end date” in 2012 is a 4-Ajaw [4-Flower in Aztec cycle], not 4-Movement. Mixtec Creation stories mention 2-Deer in year 13-Rabbit, and other dates.
3. Manipulated. Tlacaélel, Machiavellian minister to three Aztec emperors, had no illusions about the propaganda power of history, and saw to it that history was rewritten completely to exalt the Mexica and denigrate rivals. He was neither the first or the last to do this. At his behest, the Aztecs burned their own libraries as well as their enemies’, in order to start with a clean slate. They even changed Quetzalcoatl’s birthday. Likewise, Maya dates and intervals of time were manipulated for their numerological and augural significance.
4. Misunderstood. 21st-century Western world-view is very different from that of ancient Mesoamericans. We tend to project our own ideas and beliefs on others. • For example: their distinction between truth and myth, and between various individual gods, were nowhere near our categorical boundaries. Gods did not have distinct personalities, they blended into each other, they split into gangs of 4 or 5. The days, and even the numerals in their calendars were living, powerful entities. Some Maya texts (below) appear to have indicated “myth time” with “unworkable” calendar days.
5. Errors. Maya monuments, particularly dates and distance numbers contain errors, both of transcription and of calculation. I count something over 50 numerical mistakes carved in stone. Apparently the Maya, believed that “a card laid is a card played” and never, ever, erased and fixed a mistake.
6. No mention of destruction nor of renewal, nor improvement, connected to the coming 13.0.0.0.0 Maya “end date”.
7. Implication that Life and the calendar will continue without interruption beyond 2012.
8. The Mesoamerican concept of “cyclic time” is not that cyclic. To both the Maya and the Aztec each Creation was an improvement on the previous era.
9. Solstices were of very minor importance. Though they record hundreds of ceremonies, anniversaries, jubilees, dedications, offerings, astronomical events, etc., inscriptions almost never mention events on solstices or equinoxes. However, especially very early, during the Middle Formative, the Maya built “EGroups,” architectural alignments to the Solstices and Equinoxes. (Archaeoastonomers have long been puzzled by the fact that most E-Groups do not align to these risings. Recent investigation suggests that E-Groups may have been aligned to the solar Zenith Passages and Nadirs, events more highly esteemed than Solstices. The First Zenith Passage coincides with the onset of the rainy season in much of Mesoamerica.)" - Mark Van Stone
StressFree: Recently, I've finally tackled this supposed 2012 Mayan doomsday or transformation prophecy---according to what has been projected by the media or what many of you label as "new agers". So I had to see what those who study the ancient and modern Maya — anthropologists, archaeologists, art historians, linguists, historians, amateurs, collectors had to say about this?
Here are some facts:
How rare is the 2012 Galactic Alignment?
"In fact, the sun as already crossed the Galactic Equator in 1999. The edge of the sun first touched the equator in the early 1980’s, and will be in contact with it each 21st of December until about 2019. Again, this “rare” alignment has already been happening for twenty-five years and will continue for a decade more." - Mark Van Stone
What did the Maya say about 2012?
"They actually said very little, if anything. Only one ancient inscription refers to the upcoming 13.0.0.0.0 date in 2012, from a now destroyed site named Tortuguero. The question we scholars have struggled with is whether the final few hieroglyphs of that text describe anything about what will happen. A few years ago I put forward a very tentative and incomplete reading of these damaged glyphs, including a possible use of a verb meaning “descend” and a name of a god, Bolon Yokte’. Much of it was iffy and remains so; I’m not sure I believe much of what I wrote back then. More recently my colleague Steve Houston has pointed out the glyphs may not even pertain to that date anyway. So there’s considerable ambiguity just in the reading of the glyphs and the rhetorical structure of the Tortuguero passage. What we can say with confidence is that the ancient Maya left no clear or definite record about 2012 and its significance. There is certainly no ancient claim that the world or any part of it will come to an end." - David Stuart
Does the Maya calendar end in 2012?
"No it doesn’t. What will happen is a recurrence, an anniversary of sorts, of a key mythological date in the distant past. The Maya wrote this as 13.0.0.0.0 in their “Long Count” calendar (an abbreviation of a much bigger number), which fell on August 11, 3114 B.C. (some correlations of the two calendars say August 13, but I don’t really care). This “creation date” was not the beginning of everything, however. Maya mythological texts tell us that plenty was happening long, long before this starting point of the current era. On December 21, 2012 (some say December 23) we come again to a numerological recurrence of 13.0.0.0.0. The Long Count calendar continues well beyond this date, too. In fact, the numerology of the calendar demands that there will be other similar recurrences of this same date in the far distant future, on a scale of octillions of years. The scale of Maya time reckoning dwarfs anything in our own cosmology by many orders of magnitude." - David StuartSources; Mark Van Stone:
Recently I read research work of Adil Akhmetov about Maya calendar and according to it a year should have 13 months instead of 12 and each month should consist 28 days. It makes sense to me and I think October should be the 8 month but not 10th since the word october derived from the word octava (8). The work says new moon becomes full in 28 days and there were so many interesting facts. it says that we (humanbeings) do not keep balance with nature. Sorry for my poor english
I believe you are right stressfree but it is good entertainment. If the world was going to end all this information would be blocked- we wouldn’t want another War of the Worlds scenario.
nakosya: Recently I read research work of Adil Akhmetov about Maya calendar and according to it a year should have 13 months instead of 12 and each month should consist 28 days. It makes sense to me and I think October should be the 8 month but not 10th since the word october derived from the word octava (8). The work says new moon becomes full in 28 days and there were so many interesting facts. it says that we (humanbeings) do not keep balance with nature. Sorry for my poor english
Can you source/link this please? Bear in mind that Mesoamerica at that time had greater linguistic diversity than Europe, and that much evidence suggests that May city-states had more differences between their mythologies and calendars than similarities.
EliteOne: I believe you are right stressfree but it is good entertainment. If the world was going to end all this information would be blocked- we wouldn’t want another War of the Worlds scenario.
Yeah man, I've heard so many theories about the sudden and drastic physical and spiritual shift on December 21, 2012. It's crazy about all the websites and books devoted to this doomsday or transformation prophecy that is supposedly to happen on a particular date. And a date that the Mayans themselves, made no significant mention of. Only those that are pushing the theory projected by the Western world.
StressFree: Can you source/link this please? Bear in mind that Mesoamerica at that time had greater linguistic diversity than Europe, and that much evidence suggests that May city-states had more differences between their mythologies and calendars than similarities.
I read it from printed book and in kazakh language. I will check the book if there are any links listed and let you know. The author is Adil Akhmetov
nakosya: I read it from printed book and in kazakh language. I will check the book if there are any links listed and let you know. The author is Adil Akhmetov
There is an organisation which promises to look after left behind pets if anybody's interested - they just ask that you send your address and leave the car keys behind the sun visor in case they need to use your car to get them back to base..........
Ive just been looking at various sites on google, many of which have some 'quite' convincing articles but they also have lots of things to sell - its ridiculous how people get sucked in to these things
The Mayan calendar does end on that day but it simply starts again - its the end of a cycle, not the end of time.........
trish123: Ive just been looking at various sites on google, many of which have some 'quite' convincing articles but they also have lots of things to sell - its ridiculous how people get sucked in to these things
The Mayan calendar does end on that day but it simply starts again - its the end of a cycle, not the end of time.........
What about planet Nibiru? The Sumerian, Mayan and Egyptian drawings show 2 suns. If in fact Nibiru is a dwarf sun it would also mean it can only stay lit when it is close enough to another sun. If that is the case then the prophecy of seeing the SUN (son) on the right side of the power will come true!
It's like you are trying to push the Book of Revelation prophecies
The truth I gathered from that site is that they are pushing their film and it's affiliate program to generate money.
"The Shift of the Ages Affiliate Program is a fast and easy way to help spread the message of the Mayans and add e-commerce to your web site. Each sale generated through the Shift of the Ages trackable banner or link on your site or e-newsletter will generate an 8 to 12% commission for your organization or affiliation, with a 3% override on approved Affiliates that apply through your unique link ."
I'd strongly encourage you to look over the links I provided. The Maya scholars approached their work with an objective mind and discover facts about what was really expressed by ancient Mayans.
I believe everything is possible and we control our destiny in this reality. I don't believe in any prophecies. Shifts in society have been going on throughout history. I can say that we are experiencing a spiritual shift (theism/atheism, religious/non-religious) right now, and the numbers can back me up on that. Nothing new considering history. I can make a prophecy right now...in 2000 years, there will be signs and events of a spiritual and paradigm shift Hey, it's always in motion so that was easy to predict.
StressFree: It's like you are trying to push the Book of Revelation prophecies
The truth I gathered from that site is that they are pushing their film and it's affiliate program to generate money.
"The Shift of the Ages Affiliate Program is a fast and easy way to help spread the message of the Mayans and add e-commerce to your web site. Each sale generated through the Shift of the Ages trackable banner or link on your site or e-newsletter will generate an 8 to 12% commission for your organization or affiliation, with a 3% override on approved Affiliates that apply through your unique link ."
I'd strongly encourage you to look over the links I provided. The Maya scholars approached their work with an objective mind and discover facts about what was really expressed by ancient Mayans.
I believe everything is possible and we control our destiny in this reality. I don't believe in any prophecies. Shifts in society have been going on throughout history. I can say that we are experiencing a spiritual shift (theism/atheism, religious/non-religious) right now, and the numbers can back me up on that. Nothing new considering history. I can make a prophecy right now...in 2000 years, there will be signs and events of a spiritual and paradigm shift Hey, it's always in motion so that was easy to predict.
What about the famous oracles which predict the path down to a Te!
StressFree: It's like you are trying to push the Book of Revelation prophecies
The truth I gathered from that site is that they are pushing their film and it's affiliate program to generate money.
"The Shift of the Ages Affiliate Program is a fast and easy way to help spread the message of the Mayans and add e-commerce to your web site. Each sale generated through the Shift of the Ages trackable banner or link on your site or e-newsletter will generate an 8 to 12% commission for your organization or affiliation, with a 3% override on approved Affiliates that apply through your unique link ."
I'd strongly encourage you to look over the links I provided. The Maya scholars approached their work with an objective mind and discover facts about what was really expressed by ancient Mayans.
I believe everything is possible and we control our destiny in this reality. I don't believe in any prophecies. Shifts in society have been going on throughout history. I can say that we are experiencing a spiritual shift (theism/atheism, religious/non-religious) right now, and the numbers can back me up on that. Nothing new considering history. I can make a prophecy right now...in 2000 years, there will be signs and events of a spiritual and paradigm shift Hey, it's always in motion so that was easy to predict.
l don't think we're on the same ethereal page at all dude!
EliteOne: What about planet Nibiru? The Sumerian, Mayan and Egyptian drawings show 2 suns. If in fact Nibiru is a dwarf sun it would also mean it can only stay lit when it is close enough to another sun. If that is the case then the prophecy of seeing the SUN (son) on the right side of the power will come true!
StressFree: Recently, I've finally tackled this supposed 2012 Mayan doomsday or transformation prophecy---according to what has been projected by the media or what many of you label as "new agers". So I had to see what those who study the ancient and modern Maya — anthropologists, archaeologists, art historians, linguists, historians, amateurs, collectors had to say about this?
Here are some facts:
How rare is the 2012 Galactic Alignment?
"In fact, the sun as already crossed the Galactic Equator in 1999. The edge of the sun first touched the equator in the early 1980’s, and will be in contact with it each 21st of December until about 2019. Again, this “rare” alignment has already been happening for twenty-five years and will continue for a decade more." - Mark Van Stone
What did the Maya say about 2012?
"They actually said very little, if anything. Only one ancient inscription refers to the upcoming 13.0.0.0.0 date in 2012, from a now destroyed site named Tortuguero. The question we scholars have struggled with is whether the final few hieroglyphs of that text describe anything about what will happen. A few years ago I put forward a very tentative and incomplete reading of these damaged glyphs, including a possible use of a verb meaning “descend” and a name of a god, Bolon Yokte’. Much of it was iffy and remains so; I’m not sure I believe much of what I wrote back then. More recently my colleague Steve Houston has pointed out the glyphs may not even pertain to that date anyway. So there’s considerable ambiguity just in the reading of the glyphs and the rhetorical structure of the Tortuguero passage. What we can say with confidence is that the ancient Maya left no clear or definite record about 2012 and its significance. There is certainly no ancient claim that the world or any part of it will come to an end." - David Stuart
Does the Maya calendar end in 2012?
"No it doesn’t. What will happen is a recurrence, an anniversary of sorts, of a key mythological date in the distant past. The Maya wrote this as 13.0.0.0.0 in their “Long Count” calendar (an abbreviation of a much bigger number), which fell on August 11, 3114 B.C. (some correlations of the two calendars say August 13, but I don’t really care). This “creation date” was not the beginning of everything, however. Maya mythological texts tell us that plenty was happening long, long before this starting point of the current era. On December 21, 2012 (some say December 23) we come again to a numerological recurrence of 13.0.0.0.0. The Long Count calendar continues well beyond this date, too. In fact, the numerology of the calendar demands that there will be other similar recurrences of this same date in the far distant future, on a scale of octillions of years. The scale of Maya time reckoning dwarfs anything in our own cosmology by many orders of magnitude." - David StuartSources; Mark Van Stone:
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Here are some facts:
How rare is the 2012 Galactic Alignment?
"In fact, the sun as already crossed the Galactic Equator in 1999. The edge of the sun first touched the equator in the early 1980’s, and will be in contact with it each 21st of December until about 2019. Again, this “rare” alignment has already been happening for twenty-five years and will continue for a decade more." - Mark Van Stone
What did the Maya say about 2012?
"They actually said very little, if anything. Only one ancient inscription refers to the upcoming 13.0.0.0.0 date in 2012, from a now destroyed site named Tortuguero. The question we scholars have struggled with is whether the final few hieroglyphs of that text describe anything about what will happen. A few years ago I put forward a very tentative and incomplete reading of these damaged glyphs, including a possible use of a verb meaning “descend” and a name of a god, Bolon Yokte’. Much of it was iffy and remains so; I’m not sure I believe much of what I wrote back then. More recently my colleague Steve Houston has pointed out the glyphs may not even pertain to that date anyway. So there’s considerable ambiguity just in the reading of the glyphs and the rhetorical structure of the Tortuguero passage. What we can say with confidence is that the ancient Maya left no clear or definite record about 2012 and its significance. There is certainly no ancient claim that the world or any part of it will come to an end." - David Stuart
Does the Maya calendar end in 2012?
"No it doesn’t. What will happen is a recurrence, an anniversary of sorts, of a key mythological date in the distant past. The Maya wrote this as 13.0.0.0.0 in their “Long Count” calendar (an abbreviation of a much bigger number), which fell on August 11, 3114 B.C. (some correlations of the two calendars say August 13, but I don’t really care). This “creation date” was not the beginning of everything, however. Maya mythological texts tell us that plenty was happening long, long before this starting point of the current era. On December 21, 2012 (some say December 23) we come again to a numerological recurrence of 13.0.0.0.0. The Long Count calendar continues well beyond this date, too. In fact, the numerology of the calendar demands that there will be other similar recurrences of this same date in the far distant future, on a scale of octillions of years. The scale of Maya time reckoning dwarfs anything in our own cosmology by many orders of magnitude." - David Stuart
Sources; Mark Van Stone:
David Stuart: