Depression/helpless feelings in men ( Archived) (66)

Mar 1, 2010 6:41 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
Oksata
OksataOksataOakville, Ontario Canada3 Threads 1 Polls 49 Posts
This is abit of a touchy subject I guesse for some of us. But I know there are many guys that have certain issues that may be bothering them, and may be putting them down or make them anxious and just experiencing very rough feelings. With all this talk about guys being matcho and stuff, and where men shouldn't feel vulnerable emotions, it buts that much more stress on many of us. I know ladies go through these moods of depression and similar issues. How do women generally feel about this, and do they see this as a big turn off, and is it something that brings disgrace to us guys. I mean I know it shouldn't, but I sometimes wonder based on some of the things I read and saw. How do guys deal with it. They say it's important to be around people, and I know that it helps, but what if your depression or anxiety keeps you isolated from others for fear of rejection or being hurt in some way, or because others may not like something about you, and they therefore don't want to hang around or let alone offer some help.

What are peoples attitudes both mens and womens, about this issue, especially as it pertains to men in this case, but also women can add their experiences too.
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Mar 1, 2010 6:49 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
jeepers
jeepersjeepersCowpet Bay, Saint Thomas Virgin Islands (USA)57 Threads 10,968 Posts
I think it is cool when you can see that something is just not right. When you can see it or feel it, then you can probably fix it. It isn't going to be a quick fix, just depends on how it's done.
I wonder if it might be a good idea just to speak with a professional to make sure it isn't something clinical ? dunno
And then seek advise for a plan to overcome these obstacles applause
All is good mon !! conversing
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Mar 1, 2010 6:58 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
bob1959
bob1959bob1959otisfield, Maine USA54 Threads 3 Polls 1,874 Posts
Oksata,
Excellent post. People need to talk about this subject more.(jmho) I think there is still a strong stigma attached to depression specifically and mental illness in general. Attitudes like "I wish he would just snap out of it" are still persistent.People need to talk about these issues to gain understanding. The women in my life have been compassionate but, frankly there is little that can be done when I'm having a "spell" as I call it.
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Mar 1, 2010 7:09 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
JAN_is
JAN_isJAN_isMurcia city centre, Murcia Spain109 Threads 3,849 Posts
Oksata: This is abit of a touchy subject I guesse for some of us. But I know there are many guys that have certain issues that may be bothering them, and may be putting them down or make them anxious and just experiencing very rough feelings. With all this talk about guys being matcho and stuff, and where men shouldn't feel vulnerable emotions, it buts that much more stress on many of us. I know ladies go through these moods of depression and similar issues. How do women generally feel about this, and do they see this as a big turn off, and is it something that brings disgrace to us guys. I mean I know it shouldn't, but I sometimes wonder based on some of the things I read and saw. How do guys deal with it. They say it's important to be around people, and I know that it helps, but what if your depression or anxiety keeps you isolated from others for fear of rejection or being hurt in some way, or because others may not like something about you, and they therefore don't want to hang around or let alone offer some help.

What are peoples attitudes both mens and womens, about this issue, especially as it pertains to men in this case, but also women can add their experiences too.


Anxiety or depression is not gender based at all, so I don´t really understand why you are focusing on the "macho male" side of it.

As for understanding or empathising with a sufferer, well that depends on the individual I suppose.

Personally, and being completely honest here, I would be extremely wary of entering a relationship with someone who had a history of depression. I can quite readily offer help if I can to people who are suffering, and I have done so, but a relationship is a completely different kettle of fish, and not to be taken lightly.
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Mar 1, 2010 7:13 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
themissingpiece
themissingpiecethemissingpieceBellingen, New South Wales Australia2 Posts
You would be surprised at how many people will respond positively to your openess and how accepting they can be of these issues.

Try not to dwell on it too much, you have to remember there is more to you than just your illness or depression, if you show enough of your good qualities then people will like you.
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Mar 1, 2010 7:17 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
Oksata
OksataOksataOakville, Ontario Canada3 Threads 1 Polls 49 Posts
JAN_is: Anxiety or depression is not gender based at all, so I don´t really understand why you are focusing on the "macho male" side of it.

As for understanding or empathising with a sufferer, well that depends on the individual I suppose.

Personally, and being completely honest here, I would be extremely wary of entering a relationship with someone who had a history of depression. I can quite readily offer help if I can to people who are suffering, and I have done so, but a relationship is a completely different kettle of fish, and not to be taken lightly.



I know that depression and anxiety are not gender based, and what I meant by the "macho" comment, was that in society many people seem to expect men to tough it out and not share or not talk to others about how they feel, no matter how bad it may be. So in other words many men seem to suffer in silence, and not know how to communicate how they feel because of feeling pressure or anxiety of being looked at differently or ridiculed. It's like you want to reach out so bad, but the fear or uncertainty is stopping you or making you nervous about opening yourself.
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Mar 1, 2010 7:23 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
hn2009
hn2009hn2009Honolulu, Hawaii USA8 Threads 5 Polls 25 Posts
wave Hello all the way from Hawaii:
I really feel that, it's very important for the individual to be themselves always. We just add too much stress being what we are not. I feel terrible and angry at times and it must show in my face for no one, bothers me when I feel this way! I know that sometimes we expect things from people, but I've found out to be happy, is to be ourselves. I watch television, and am glad when they show the oops moments in life, for it shows that we are human not some programed thing that behaves the way it should. If an oldster or senior citizen wants to wear red lipstick who says it's not done! Let them be them. If a gentleman wants to cry, let them. Crying relieves a lot of stress and pressure.
We are human, and very proud of our humanity. If we didn't feel what will we be?
Being ourselves, that's the key to the future. I'm so glad you, wrote this blog. It is good to be alive and to feel. When we want too much of the negative that's when we got to share it a bit and find out that we are not alone. Just google or yahoo it you'll see.
From one human to another,
peace hn2009
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Mar 1, 2010 7:25 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
JAN_is
JAN_isJAN_isMurcia city centre, Murcia Spain109 Threads 3,849 Posts
Oksata: I know that depression and anxiety are not gender based, and what I meant by the "macho" comment, was that in society many people seem to expect men to tough it out and not share or not talk to others about how they feel, no matter how bad it may be. So in other words many men seem to suffer in silence, and not know how to communicate how they feel because of feeling pressure or anxiety of being looked at differently or ridiculed. It's like you want to reach out so bad, but the fear or uncertainty is stopping you or making you nervous about opening yourself.


I suppose you´re right in some ways, but these days there is surely no societal stigma in admitting to depression, whether one is male or female, at least not amongst the people I know.

Fear to reach out is psychological, not because there is nobody to offer a helping hand. There is always someone, whether it is a friend or a professional.
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Mar 1, 2010 7:30 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
Happygolucky4u
Happygolucky4uHappygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
You know I was going to write you a reason for saying this but it was sooo long did not want to put everyone asleep. There is nothing wrong with sharing your feelings. It is a part of communication. Closeness and intimacy. hug
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Mar 1, 2010 7:31 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
TurkishDelight
TurkishDelightTurkishDelightDublin, Antrim Ireland139 Threads 3,998 Posts
JAN_is: I suppose you´re right in some ways, but these days there is surely no societal stigma in admitting to depression, whether one is male or female, at least not amongst the people I know.

Fear to reach out is psychological, not because there is nobody to offer a helping hand. There is always someone, whether it is a friend or a professional.


Sadly Jan there is....my younger sister was admitted a few weeks ago to hospital during a severe bout, when the hospital porter walked into the ward to collect her, braying like the donkey that he was, "who is the nut job that I have to collect"

We did file a complaint on her behalf, yet, sadly, the damage was done
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Mar 1, 2010 7:34 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
JAN_is
JAN_isJAN_isMurcia city centre, Murcia Spain109 Threads 3,849 Posts
TurkishDelight: Sadly Jan there is....my younger sister was admitted a few weeks ago to hospital during a severe bout, when the hospital porter walked into the ward to collect her, braying like the donkey that he was, "who is the nut job that I have to collect"

We did file a complaint on her behalf, yet, sadly, the damage was done


Good grief. That bloody porter should have been sacked on the spot.
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Mar 1, 2010 7:38 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
TurkishDelight
TurkishDelightTurkishDelightDublin, Antrim Ireland139 Threads 3,998 Posts
JAN_is: Good grief. That bloody porter should have been sacked on the spot.


It's Ireland we are talking about here..land of discrimination and predjudice. I also have a close friend who is a GP, suffers from Bi-Polar. He maintains himself very well, recognises when he needs space and take it. He finds himself being discriminated against within the medical field over his condition.....
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Mar 1, 2010 7:39 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
Happygolucky4u
Happygolucky4uHappygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
TurkishDelight: Sadly Jan there is....my younger sister was admitted a few weeks ago to hospital during a severe bout, when the hospital porter walked into the ward to collect her, braying like the donkey that he was, "who is the nut job that I have to collect"

We did file a complaint on her behalf, yet, sadly, the damage was done


I am afraid I would of told him to go look in the mirror and he would see.mumbling
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Mar 1, 2010 7:46 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
TurkishDelight
TurkishDelightTurkishDelightDublin, Antrim Ireland139 Threads 3,998 Posts
Happygolucky4u: I am afraid I would of told him to go look in the mirror and he would see.


He got the tongue lashing of a life time..my father is a psychiatrist who gave him what for. Yet we can't get the stigma removed within our society, its a cancer that refuses to die.

Men are expected to pull up their socks and get on with it, and many women are told it's their hormones frustrated
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Mar 1, 2010 7:46 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
ph3nom3nalwoman
ph3nom3nalwomanph3nom3nalwomanBelleville, Ontario Canada1 Threads 25 Posts
perhaps its more difficult for a man, as society dictates that men should handle the world on their shoulder and not ask for help along the way. we tend to have an unrealistic view of men. sure I want a strong man in my life, but that strength is shown in many forms. asking for help or advice is not weakness, its intelligence. It's showing you are humble (a very prized attribute in my books) There is a lot of wisdom around, and you are not expected to know everything by yourself. A truly wise man will seek the advice and assistance of those around that he loves and trusts. If men could do everything on their own, then why did God create us women as a helpmate. what would we be helping. Isolating yourself is dangerous and plain full of pride. you will be no good to anyone if you just bottle up all the issues of life and try to be productive.
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Mar 1, 2010 7:51 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
Blues63
Blues63Blues63Brisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
ph3nom3nalwoman: perhaps its more difficult for a man, as society dictates that men should handle the world on their shoulder and not ask for help along the way. we tend to have an unrealistic view of men. sure I want a strong man in my life, but that strength is shown in many forms. asking for help or advice is not weakness, its intelligence. It's showing you are humble (a very prized attribute in my books) There is a lot of wisdom around, and you are not expected to know everything by yourself. A truly wise man will seek the advice and assistance of those around that he loves and trusts. If men could do everything on their own, then why did God create us women as a helpmate. what would we be helping. Isolating yourself is dangerous and plain full of pride. you will be no good to anyone if you just bottle up all the issues of life and try to be productive.


I agree, but is it pride, or social expectations?
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Mar 1, 2010 8:04 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
Blues63
Blues63Blues63Brisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
Hmmmm, true. Then it could be said that social expectations create the pride? confused
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Mar 1, 2010 8:11 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
TurkishDelight
TurkishDelightTurkishDelightDublin, Antrim Ireland139 Threads 3,998 Posts
Blues63: Hmmmm, true. Then it could be said that social expectations create the pride?


Pride could be a by-product of a man's upbringing dunno Proud in being a "Real" man dunno


Depression.............................................Crazy

We are all on a pendulum in between either of the above, depending on the circumstances at that time, some deal with better than others, some get bogged down with the Big D. It becomes the albatross of their lives.

The opposite of depression, for me, is expression, if you repress your emotions you are creating depression within yourself. Granted there are those who have clinical depression, such as my sister, but not all can label themselves as such
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Mar 1, 2010 8:20 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
Blues63
Blues63Blues63Brisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
TurkishDelight: Pride could be a by-product of a man's upbringing Proud in being a "Real" man Depression.............................................Crazy

We are all on a pendulum in between either of the above, depending on the circumstances at that time, some deal with better than others, some get bogged down with the Big D. It becomes the albatross of their lives.

The opposite of depression, for me, is expression, if you repress your emotions you are creating depression within yourself. Granted there are those who have clinical depression, such as my sister, but not all can label themselves as such


No argument there. Upbringing again comes back to social expectations does it not? Some do 'wallow' in self-indulgence, that too is a well-established phenomenon.

For me expression is not a problem; creative outlets satisfy my needs there. But again, the social aspect of repressing feelings, as you say, can 'bottle up' to the point where a serious breakdown can occur. But a significant event is often the stimulus for the said breakdown.

Why would someone have a 'pop'
confused it's just an acedemic discussion dunno
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Mar 1, 2010 8:23 PM CST Depression/helpless feelings in men
Blues63
Blues63Blues63Brisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
Blues63: No argument there. Upbringing again comes back to social expectations does it not? Some do 'wallow' in self-indulgence, that too is a well-established phenomenon.

For me expression is not a problem; creative outlets satisfy my needs there. But again, the social aspect of repressing feelings, as you say, can 'bottle up' to the point where a serious breakdown can occur. But a significant event is often the stimulus for the said breakdown.

Why would someone have a 'pop'
it's just an acedemic discussion


academic...proof-readdoh
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