I3estman4u: What Christ said in John 3:17-21 is true.
God made it clear how bad hell is. Do you think the God who created life would come and die for your sorry butt if hell wasn't such a bad place? Is that how much you value your own child? Still you choose to not believe God's testimony about hell of His wrath against those that reject Christ. Who also swore that those that reject Him on earth, He will reject in heaven before God.
John 3:17-21 explains why people reject Him.
I dont think you get the concept that some people dont believe in God. Why would they be concerned about any of this?
I3estman4u: What Christ said in John 3:17-21 is true.
God made it clear how bad hell is. Do you think the God who created life would come and die for your sorry butt if hell wasn't such a bad place? Is that how much you value your own child? Still you choose to not believe God's testimony about hell of His wrath against those that reject Christ. Who also swore that those that reject Him on earth, He will reject in heaven before God.
John 3:17-21 explains why people reject Him.
Would you like a very big box young man! to stand upon!
Had lunch with him earlier today......Man can that entity throw back some Scotch, damn good thing it was his turn to buy.... First thing I said was "about god damn time they shut down those wreck of a freight train Document threads"....He just laughed and said "I create those people to give me a laugh" and threw down his 4th Scotch.....Gotta love it......
bodleing: So at this point god remains fictitional.
I could also take the same position as you and argue that your disbelief in God is a fiction you hold. That proof of God is all around us.
That science recognizing the fact that the universe is expanding and therefore began with a Big Bang from a single point shows the likely hood of a creator or a God.
So, if you deny that, you are living in a fictional world.
RDM59: So he doesn't want his existence to ever be proven, he wants a true test of faith, is that what you mean ? Didn't he tip his hand a bit there when he sent his son to visit us ?
I don't claim to know what God wants RDM...
How can any of us comprehend the power that created the infinite?
He is incomprehensible, ya know?
Tip his hand a bit???
Yup. I think he does that quite a bit....
Look around... in the billions and billions and billions of years earth and the universe have existed.... what we see on earth today is not normal is it.
trish123: We dont claim that he does, its your claim so you need to prove it see comment above see comment above again once more, see original point Yes Yes, we have been trying to tell you this for centuries But if we exercise that choice to disbelieve we face a supposed eternity of hellfire and torment How much longer are we expected to wait? Till the powers that be solve the population problem with big bombs from Iran just in time for the rapture perhaps?
Yep........
Trish,
Why do you contend I have to prove my belief in the existence of God?
Why don't you prove God doesn't exist? It is your claim... you prove it.
And you say you have been trying to tell me God doesn't exist for centuries???
I didn't think you were that old.... and I certainly am not.
I think there is evidence of God's existence all around, and the clues have been all around for centuries.... that God is the creator of the infinite universe....
All kinds of clues, from an expanding universe of galaxies, to various supernatural phenomena that have occurred and continues to occur on earth.... such as apparitions, ESP, premonitions, odd senses regarding re-incarnation as more.
Oddly enough, even the practice of Satanism and the results that occur from Satanic practices do tend to reinforce the belief in a Superior & All Good Infinite Creator of the Universe (God is easier to refer to than all those words)
When I was young teen at home with my other brothers and sisters, twice over a period of a couple years, I witnessed a spiritual being, translucent appearing entity.
And at that time in my life, I was a pretty innocent person.... a virgin, never had tried any drugs, never had been drunk.... pretty pure really. (But I did develop a desire to loose that innocence a few short years later...)
And the apparition only lasted a minute or less each time. I didn't get anything other than the visual. No message, fragrance, anything. And I always wondered why that happened... what was the point. And years later I concluded the point is: THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN MEETS THE EYE.
Don't you feel you have more to you than your body? Don't you feel there is a spirit in you, that could go on in some fashion after your body dies?
The reason we are here (I think) is to seek God, and in doing so, for our spirits learn to control our bodies.
Our Spirits must learn to rule our bodies, because our Spirits CAN live forever. They actually may or may not (I suspect), but the possibility exists (I believe) that they can... if we take advantage of the opportunities we have during this life.
We are here, and given a chance to take the Chance.
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