is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ? ( Archived) (15)

Apr 26, 2010 4:27 PM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
diablito333
diablito333diablito333quito, Pichincha Ecuador6 Threads 1 Polls 94 Posts
the war on drugs has been one of the big investment excuses and has had more involvment in international policy than even trade.
but the truth still is that without the northern demand it would probably implode... If this is a known fact ? why is it becoming an ever greater problem ? border security and policies have been created and renewd constantly, governments give and take more every year, but the problem is growing more then ever.
so, is the war on drugs an actual socio-political effort ? or just another attempt to scam entire nations ? do most of us even see the trafficing of narcotics as a serious problem ???
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Apr 26, 2010 4:48 PM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
Ross30
Ross30Ross30Dublin, Ireland2 Threads 635 Posts
The prohibition on drugs has been an absolute disaster and has long since been lost, the us government since the early 70's has ploughed over 500 billion USD into fighting an utterly unwinnable war on drugs, drug taking is a fact of life in the 21st century, get used to it.
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Apr 26, 2010 4:57 PM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
diablito333
diablito333diablito333quito, Pichincha Ecuador6 Threads 1 Polls 94 Posts
i ain arguing that mate, just complaining about people still thinking its an actual effort instead of realizing its one of the biggest international business deals that are done underground, and since its done under the table, the collateral damage is explained ridiculously or even worse completely ignored, like in mexico now
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Apr 26, 2010 5:07 PM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
diablito333: the war on drugs has been one of the big investment excuses and has had more involvment in international policy than even trade.
but the truth still is that without the northern demand it would probably implode... If this is a known fact ? why is it becoming an ever greater problem ? border security and policies have been created and renewd constantly, governments give and take more every year, but the problem is growing more then ever.
so, is the war on drugs an actual socio-political effort ? or just another attempt to scam entire nations ? do most of us even see the trafficing of narcotics as a serious problem ???


The only "problem" caused by trafficking in narcotics is that it's used as an excuse for massive and prejudicial government intervention in human lives. Everyone involved knows the "war" will never be won. In fact, no one wants it to be won (because then all the funding and pretext for said intervention/control ceases). head banger
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Apr 26, 2010 5:14 PM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
diablito333
diablito333diablito333quito, Pichincha Ecuador6 Threads 1 Polls 94 Posts
and besides, the funding is ridiculous in comparison both parties make under the table...
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Apr 26, 2010 5:16 PM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
diablito333
diablito333diablito333quito, Pichincha Ecuador6 Threads 1 Polls 94 Posts
it sounds naive, but with the decending price of blood its ridiculous to expect anything at all.
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May 8, 2010 1:47 PM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
DodgeBabe
DodgeBabeDodgeBabepotsdam, New York USA31 Threads 2,299 Posts
Ambrose2007: The only "problem" caused by trafficking in narcotics is that it's used as an excuse for massive and prejudicial government intervention in human lives. Everyone involved knows the "war" will never be won. In fact, no one wants it to be won (because then all the funding and pretext for said intervention/control ceases).


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May 9, 2010 7:58 PM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
wordking
wordkingwordkingnew york, New York USA14 Threads 2 Polls 190 Posts
diablito333: the war on drugs has been one of the big investment excuses and has had more involvment in international policy than even trade.
but the truth still is that without the northern demand it would probably implode... If this is a known fact ? why is it becoming an ever greater problem ? border security and policies have been created and renewd constantly, governments give and take more every year, but the problem is growing more then ever.
so, is the war on drugs an actual socio-political effort ? or just another attempt to scam entire nations ? do most of us even see the trafficing of narcotics as a serious problem ???
war on drugs , i have not heard that in years who fighting it
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May 11, 2010 5:33 AM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
penperry
penperrypenperrydelhi, Delhi India1 Threads 25 Posts
war on drug is a big financial opportunity for many countries today.the fact is that no one is really fighting against drug cos they all know the root of drug but refuses to destroy it once and for all instead going for men on the street.we all knows that drug is bad so do your best to avoid it.
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May 11, 2010 11:36 AM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
bollywood
bollywoodbollywoodTRIVANDRUM, Kerala India53 Threads 2 Polls 973 Posts
diablito333: the war on drugs has been one of the big investment excuses and has had more involvment in international policy than even trade.
but the truth still is that without the northern demand it would probably implode... If this is a known fact ? why is it becoming an ever greater problem ? border security and policies have been created and renewd constantly, governments give and take more every year, but the problem is growing more then ever.
so, is the war on drugs an actual socio-political effort ? or just another attempt to scam entire nations ? do most of us even see the trafficing of narcotics as a serious problem ???


None of these "War on ..blah blah".including our legendry War on terror are actual . they are just scams to meet some Agenda . They are the culprits and the police at same time, These are beutifully stage manged events . So sit back and enjoy the show .comfort
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May 15, 2010 4:10 AM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
bollywood: None of these "War on ..blah blah".including our legendry War on terror are actual . they are just scams to meet some Agenda . They are the culprits and the police at same time, These are beutifully stage manged events . So sit back and enjoy the show .


You don't even believe the contention in the post you just made.

bollywood: It happens when the parents push young kids to religous schools at very tender age and teach them nothing but hate.and that teaching become their foundation of thinking We have a killer waiting to be hanged who killed 166 innocent people in Mumbai just to mate his imaginary 72 virgins.



bollywood: My Mumbai

Humanity under siege
kindnes as hostage
blood on the streets
as innocents eat bullets
dreams shatterd
suspended minds
life falling off the grips
souls fly away in anguish
as terror stike you hard
I see your tears
for your fallen sons
no matter what
no matter who
none can leash your spirit
none can stop you
my beloved Mumbai
You gave dreams to many
takes none in return
I know I will see your smile
Your compassion
My beloved
My Mumbai


Do try to be consistent please.
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May 15, 2010 4:34 AM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?



40 years War on Drugs!
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May 15, 2010 6:37 AM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
The drug problem can be solved overnight if all controlled substances were readily available by prescription and combined with a 12 step program to address the addiction. This would put the drug cartels out of business in fact big pharmaceutical co's can purchase the raw materials from farmers in Columbia and the the entire poppy crop from Afganistan.

A large percentage of prisoners could be released and assisted back into the workforce relieving tax payers from the burden of feeding and housing them.

This would also deprive terrorists of their major source of funding.

We need to face the obvious that it was a big mistake to take a heavy handed approach to this problem. Don't start a war that you aren't certain you can win.
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May 16, 2010 1:30 AM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
K_rational
K_rationalK_rationalTaipei, Taiwan10 Threads 257 Posts
diablito333: the war on drugs has been one of the big investment excuses and has had more involvment in international policy than even trade.
but the truth still is that without the northern demand it would probably implode... If this is a known fact ? why is it becoming an ever greater problem ? border security and policies have been created and renewd constantly, governments give and take more every year, but the problem is growing more then ever.
so, is the war on drugs an actual socio-political effort ? or just another attempt to scam entire nations ? do most of us even see the trafficing of narcotics as a serious problem ???


When England had prohibition, the banned drink was gin - the source of the phrase "bathtub gin", since that's where it was made. Gin was illegal, but wine was legal at the same time. Wine was made at vinyards by wealthy landowners and drunk by wealthy people, while gin was made by anyone and drunk by the poor. Yes, a lot of "bathtub gin" was toxic, but that's not the reason it was illegal - it was about who profited from it.

Now look at drug use today, especially the drugs that are the greatest the focus of the "drug war": marijuana, meth amphetamine, ecstasy, cocaine and heroin. Then look again at the drugs that are legal: alcohol, tobacco, and licensed pharmaceuticals that doctors prescribe like candy.

Who profits from the first group of drugs? Dealers and growers.

Who profits from the second group of drugs? Corporations and shareholders.

Marijuana is the least profitable (street price versus production) and the least harmful of the four, yet it is the biggest reason for arrests and expense of the "drug war". Yet who are the largest numbers of users of marijuana (hint: not the wealthy)? Meth and ecstasy extremely cheap drugs to produce (as well as being extremely addictive) so it became an issue. And when heroin was expensive, it wasn't an issue; it only became an issue when heroin became cheap and poorer people could afford it.

Meanwhile, tobacco remains legal despite the fact that it is addictive and causes cancer (first, second and third hand) and the pollution it causes (butts, smoke, plastic and cardboard packaging). And alcohol remains legal despite being both addictive and causing violent and deaths in huge numbers, both physical violence and drinking and driving. Alcohol is actually the worst drug because it is both a stimulant (it makes people want to act irresponsibly) and a depressant (it reduces people's ability to make good judgements).

Specific drugs are illegal now for the same reason alcohol was once illegal: the wealthy and corporations didn't profit from it. I will not be the least bit surprised if tobacco companies are working to package marijuana in cigarette form and their sale of it is legalized, but not anyone else's.

If the level of harm (addiction, etc.) were the issue, marijuana would have always been legal and would be legalized now. It's not addictive, does not lead to other drug use, and it is a depressant (the myth of "smoking and driving" is just that, a myth). Governments could and should encourage drug users to switch to marijuana as a way to get them off more harmful drugs.

The real issue of the "drug war" is class warfare, not drug warfare. The criminalization of drugs is based on who the users are and who profits from the drugs, not the harm of the drug in question.

And for the record, marijuana smells like $#!+ and I have no patience for it or its users.
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May 16, 2010 1:37 AM CST is the "war on drugs" an actual war ? or just a smoke screen that makes corruption proliferate ?
K_rational
K_rationalK_rationalTaipei, Taiwan10 Threads 257 Posts
I forgot to include this link with that post:



Miami Herald/AP: AP IMPACT: US drug war has met none of its goals

By MARTHA MENDOZA
Associated Press Writer

After 40 years, the United States' war on drugs has cost $1 trillion and hundreds of thousands of lives, and for what? Drug use is rampant and violence even more brutal and widespread.

Even U.S. drug czar Gil Kerlikowske concedes the strategy hasn't worked.

"In the grand scheme, it has not been successful," Kerlikowske told The Associated Press. "Forty years later, the concern about drugs and drug problems is, if anything, magnified, intensified."
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