War crimes (84)
gleneagleNew York City, New York USA36 Threads 3 Polls 1,147 PostsHow is it that its usually the losing side in a war that has people convicted of war crimes. This seems unusual to me. I dont think the scales of justice are balanced here.
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gleneagle: How is it that its usually the losing side in a war that has people convicted of war crimes. This seems unusual to me. I dont think the scales of justice are balanced here.
My guess is that usually these countries are at war due to human rights violations or the sort to begin with and once they are beaten, the defeated leaders are brought to trial for their crime..
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It's quite a logical step when you think about it. The victorious side will wnat to justify why it went to war in the first place. By presenting the enemy leaders as the criminals, the winners can claim the moral high ground, whether it is real or not.
Undoubtedly, it is not fair to the defeated, but as the Celtic chief Brennus said after sacking the fledling Roman Republic, 'Vae Victus', i.e. 'Woe to the vanquished'.
Undoubtedly, it is not fair to the defeated, but as the Celtic chief Brennus said after sacking the fledling Roman Republic, 'Vae Victus', i.e. 'Woe to the vanquished'.
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wulfen: It's quite a logical step when you think about it. The victorious side will wnat to justify why it went to war in the first place. By presenting the enemy leaders as the criminals, the winners can claim the moral high ground, whether it is real or not.
Undoubtedly, it is not fair to the defeated, but as the Celtic chief Brennus said after sacking the fledling Roman Republic, 'Vae Victus', i.e. 'Woe to the vanquished'.
Undoubtedly, it is not fair to the defeated, but as the Celtic chief Brennus said after sacking the fledling Roman Republic, 'Vae Victus', i.e. 'Woe to the vanquished'.
"To the victor goes the spoils"
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denmcintyre: My guess is that usually these countries are at war due to human rights violations or the sort to begin with and once they are beaten, the defeated leaders are brought to trial for their crime.. JMO
What happens when the winners are the violators?
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gleneagle: How is it that its usually the losing side in a war that has people convicted of war crimes. This seems unusual to me. I dont think the scales of justice are balanced here.
Exactly.
"History" is always written by the victors as well.
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gleneagle: How is it that its usually the losing side in a war that has people convicted of war crimes. This seems unusual to me. I dont think the scales of justice are balanced here.
Actually it is quite usual as the losing side is rarely in any position to demand anything other than not to be killed or imprisoned. In fact, in days of old, sometimes there was no losing side left after they lost.
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sorry, i fail to see a question here, appart from the one that was correctly answered by everyone... next thread ?...
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also, the fact that most answered the "why is that..." question similarly and correctly... goes to show that we as a species have a completely subjective view of what justice is, so the notion of a metaforical balance is totaly superfluous.
hence, our definition of justice, being as flawedly and corrupt while also being so important and defineing to our culture as it is, must be one of many causes to make god slapp his knee and turn international law into the usefulest tool for the worlds greates black market to purchase supplies for the oldest war in history that started with rocks and is currently at a dark matter bomb stage at current times, namely the war against ourselfes. which is an obvious consequence when technology and greed completely surpases our sense of social responsability and brotherly love.
so, lets enjoy our fastfood, sitcoms and loveless boning while we can appreciate war on tv and not outside the kitchen windows.
hence, our definition of justice, being as flawedly and corrupt while also being so important and defineing to our culture as it is, must be one of many causes to make god slapp his knee and turn international law into the usefulest tool for the worlds greates black market to purchase supplies for the oldest war in history that started with rocks and is currently at a dark matter bomb stage at current times, namely the war against ourselfes. which is an obvious consequence when technology and greed completely surpases our sense of social responsability and brotherly love.
so, lets enjoy our fastfood, sitcoms and loveless boning while we can appreciate war on tv and not outside the kitchen windows.
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diablito333: sorry, i fail to see a question here, appart from the one that was correctly answered by everyone... next thread ?...
Let me give you a few examples to help enlighten you what I would have considered war crimes.Ethnic cleansing of native peoples by colonial powers.
Firebombing of Dresden during WW2.
Using nuclear weapons on civilian populations
Killing of 500 civilians at a bridge in Korea
Mai Lai massacre in 1968 100+ killed
14 Unarmed civilians killed by the parachute regiment in Derry.
Causing the Palestinians to become refugees in their own country in violation of all UN laws.
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Ahh it's an Imperialist America diatribe... works for me 
, but I think they've gone global for the benefit of the international top 5% of warmongers for money.
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gleneagle: How is it that its usually the losing side in a war that has people convicted of war crimes. This seems unusual to me. I dont think the scales of justice are balanced here.
After the 2nd world war an German officer (cant recall the name) made a statement "The victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused".
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Payback for the Royal Imperialists now however.. is the invasion in reverse. whichever way you flip the coin someone wins or loses... has nothing to do with wrong or right.
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Costapacket: After the 2nd world war an German officer (cant recall the name) made a statement "The victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused".
Well said
The winner writes the history
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gininitaly: Payback for the Royal Imperialists now however.. is the invasion in reverse. whichever way you flip the coin someone wins or loses... has nothing to do with wrong or right.
I would be fairly certain that the German people of today are far happier than those of the twenties to the fifties so I suppose we all won.
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gleneagle: Let me give you a few examples to help enlighten you what I would have considered war crimes.
14 Unarmed civilians killed by the parachute regiment in Derry.
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14 Unarmed civilians killed by the parachute regiment in Derry.
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One could add to that the IRA bombings of Birmingham, Hyde park, Brighton where unarmed civilians were killed. Or maybe the two innocent Australian tourists shot, mistaken for Army personnel.
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Steve5721: One could add to that the IRA bombings of Birmingham, Hyde park, Brighton where unarmed civilians were killed. Or maybe the two innocent Australian tourists shot, mistaken for Army personnel.
They must have won the war as they never got convicted for war crimes as far as I know.
to the victor ........
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gleneagle: What happens when the winners are the violators?
The deeds of the victors are usually glossed over. Although on very rare occasions someone on the winner's side is tried as a war criminal, it does not benefit the victors in any way to try one of its own.
Taking WW2 as an example, the Soviets did as many (if not more) atrocities than the Germans, but no one was ever tried for torturing prisoners in the Gulag camps, or summary shooting of Soviet soldiers by political commissars etc.
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Albertaghost: They must have won the war as they never got convicted for war crimes as far as I know.
to the victor ........
to the victor ........
Sorry...who are 'they' that won the 'war'?
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wulfen:
Taking WW2 as an example, the Soviets did as many (if not more) atrocities than the Germans, but no one was ever tried for torturing prisoners in the Gulag camps, or summary shooting of Soviet soldiers by political commissars etc.
Taking WW2 as an example, the Soviets did as many (if not more) atrocities than the Germans, but no one was ever tried for torturing prisoners in the Gulag camps, or summary shooting of Soviet soldiers by political commissars etc.
Damm! You just killed the thread for crying out loud. So many were waiting to expose the US as a war criminal again.
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