Are there really born losers and born winners? ( Archived) (12)

I just wonder why some people fight so hard and never get anywhere.. and others seem to be so lucky all the time without any effort..

Are there really born losers and born winners?

Are you kidding? Of course people contrl their own lives.

You make choices , and so do I. Now , I could try as hard as I can , but I never would be President. But I can choose to get a job , or not. I choose to move to Germany , or not. A bum lying in the gutter has the same choices , and the same opportunity.

As you can see , I believe in self-determination.

your life is what YOU make of it!

If there's born losers and winners, then we must be subjected to some sort of predestination. In relation to effort to overcome our predestined fates we look at things like hard work, prayer, or divine miracles to help us along. Theirs a few things to look at in relation to time being temporal, and not eternal. As existence preceded time, and most things in relation to what we know is strictly in relation to temporal existence. To skip past what would be considered predestined we would have to become aware of what it means to be eternal. So hard work for the born losers in this instance would technically do absolutely nothing.

Passing on through defective knowledge leads us to enlightenment, or awareness connecting us to our Higher Self, which in turns strikes a sacred chord with in some faiths the Creator, or all that is unknown in relations to universal knowledge and understanding. In this place it's said that we can become aware of the eternal and briefly, or in some cases of a complete awakening aware permanently of what is transpiring.

In this awareness it would apply to anyone no matter of their status of winner or loser, in the effect of creating a given path, instead of reacting to what is being strewn across our path. Most would say that some people are just born with bad luck, or under a bad sign, and could use all the prayer, faith, and assistance they can get.

If a person can be helped or help themselves, then they could obviously be hindered from making any headway. Whereas a predestined existence cannot be hindered by anything, only progressed along it's path. From this outlook, you can settle into the phrase, 'when you at your lowest point, you can only go up.'

The problem with this theory is the errors raised in how we think merely in the temporal existence and for the most part see divine certainly, prayer, meditation, and most things spiritual to be superfluous. Unhealthy skepticism, or pessimism could be argued to be a hinderance to anyone. And against opion all warnings against, or for hard work, or divine involvement usually gets left to good works by other who are ordained, or preordained to further their progress. This is why most people in a lull typically take refuge in a church, or deeper religious experience.

So this leaves looking at predestination in two ways. The divinity of it, and the effect of this divinity on it. There would arguably be no way to alter the outcome of being born a loser. It was technically the path of hardship that individual chose before they into this life as a lifepath to grow. It's natural balance, and natural law in the law of equilibrium. For ever evil their is a good, for every loser there is a winner. This branches into the philosophies of Cause of Effect, Karma, Universal Sin, or anything that could be considered hinderances to the development and growth of self. What we haven't mentioned is divine providence, in relation to predestination. Though, it does little more than add an effect, but it provides a way for others, guides, or God to generate natural causes in ones life that are designed to bring about natural effects in relation to that individual chosen experiences. Without these effects, a soul cannot grow.

It a complicated soup of experiences, but most of the winners I knew growing up, turned out to be on the losing end of life. They lacked the character building foundations of practical experience gained through adversity to experience. So in the end, those predestined to lead life on the losing end are more likely to gain the practical knowledge and experience to become the winners in the end. Nothing ventured, is nothing gained.

I consider myself one of those losers... but I don't have a problem with it. In the longwinded way life is more on perception, and maintaing a positive attitude. Keep your stick on the ice, and head up. What doesn't kill you, is bound to make you stronger.

Peace... ;)

I like the hockey reference. I hope they settle the strike.

Hockey, eh... I don't see the strike ending... but I'm still an avid Red Green (Steve Smith) fan. It was borrowed from there. ;)

And I should have proof read that a little better... sorry for the somewhat incoherence. You can also dig around the Summa Theologica by St. Thomas of Aquinas. It can be found on-line at I'm in no way a devout catholic, but the book albeit a heavy read, is rather fascinating in it's arguement against, assessment, argument for, and rebuttal to the argument style of progression.

Peace.

They say the stars tell our destiny but at any time you can take life into your own hands and make of it what you want. So basically you decide if you are a loser or a winner and that's how everyone else will soon see you!

I feel you make things happen in your life. For myself, I'd rather march to the beat of my own drum than live like so many unhappy individuals that question nothing in their lives and can't see the cycle of misfortune that seems to engulf them or why their happiness always seems so temporary and fleeting.

I don't think there's born losers and born winners I think that the ones who work hard and seem to get to a certian extent, and then don't move forward for whatever then reason, are just content with what they have done and have proven over and over that they will work as hard as they can and will aprechate what they have gotten rather than the ones that winning just seems natural... if you win at everything and aren't really trying then your not really winning, You won't really win till you lose or have to work hard to get there and stay there. Coming from Someone who thought for years I was just born a losser, and Now I know that I was born to take a path .... Work hard and not be noticed or be notcied and not live.