In life....what a person looks for ,they will find. The same town can be a terror or a heaven, by the person who desires such one way or the other.
A person if he believed it....could argue this is a matrix and we ard in pods being grown like carrots. Anything is possible by sicere warped thinking and seeking. Who cares what a person believes....except for their attacks against something they don't think is real affecting others thinking with there opinions. With an idea......a person can not be convinced against their will.
The Bible is true with proof if one will look at it soundly. But they will not......making anything up real or not to disput its value.
coolbean38: I believe all stories in the bible are true and a lot require miracles, so what, God has that power, parting of the red sea, miracle of God, Jesus died and rose from the dead, does obe want to talk about that??
steve6610: Great post & thread , I dont know why other christians/believers take these stories literally as written, I have always myself treated them as just that stories for teaching & not to be taken quite so literally.
On the Jonah story my dad always told me it was just a story to teach what can happen in adversity & dont take it as written.
Jesus who would know better than us stated it as fact. Parables are parables and told clearly as such. But Jonah is in the generation as a forefather of many who live today. If not mistaken a forefather of Christ......many of these so called by you fabel people are the forefathers of Christ. many today can follow their forefathers back to Adam.....and these so called fable people are their forefathers.....real people.
Sinners seek a sign, and one was given plainly but was not believe in that day.......how are we to prove it when Christ dead body was not found and people said.......something like.....we all live in a matrix anyway.
katt1017: The story of Jonah is an allegory about God offering forgiveness and salvation for those that repent.
Jonah rebelled against God's orders. When he repented and asked forgiveness he was saved. Likewise when the people of Nineveh repented God forgave them and chose not to destroy their city.
The lesson was that no matter how disobedient you have been in the past or how big of a sinner you were you still can be saved if you genuinely repent of your past deeds and ask the Lord for forgiveness.
As I've pointed out before much of the bible is allegorical, stories intended to teach a lesson, not the reporting of history.
From many people I've talked to, it seems that a big reason people believe these stories are factual is because they want to believe in a miraculous God, and they want to believe in the divinity of the bible in a similar way.
To just say that the bible is a bunch of allegorical stories, versus that it is a historical record of miracles makes it far less awe-inspiring.
Firstly there IS geological evidence of a flood. It may well have been the massive ingress of Atlantic waters as they burst through the final piece of land at the mouth of the Mediterranean, Raising the sea level many, many metres. (in fact at one time, it was almost possible to walk to Africa from Europe)
AS for Jonah, and MANY of the biblical stories. try reading it NOT as the word of god, which even theologians agree is not the case - it's the word of man - But read it as if it's talking abaout technology. OK - you're laughing now - but listen.
Chariots coming out of the east with plumes of fire and smoke. Smiting with rods that fire lightning. and Jonah could well have entered a submarine which, to people then could be seen as a giant fish.
I'm not trying to do an Von Danieken here, but if we can push the god aspect to one side for a moment. There is arguement, at least that we're seeing technological things.
So - MY opinion - Jonah entered a submarine. Let the lynching begin! Technology
Thus, actually supporting the theory, that aliens were once roaming the earth, and people as they could not understand technology, and all it's "miracles" believed in their primitive thinking, that those Aliens were god's, and the technology they used, making that their god power - - - -
coolbean38: I believe all stories in the bible are true and a lot require miracles, so what, God has that power, parting of the red sea, miracle of God, Jesus died and rose from the dead, does obe want to talk about that??
In the Immortal Words of P.T. Barnum,"There is one Born Every Minute"!
ooby_dooby: Well, we pretty much proved over the last year or so that Noahs Arc was a man made myth. No evedence of a worldwide flood in the geological record. Boat was too small to carry the animals and food for 40 days. The boat would sink under the water load from 40 days of rain. Not enough wood available to built a boat that big with stalls & a roof. Lack of suitable tools or manpower to cut haul & fit the amount of wood necessary for a boat that big. etc. etc. etc.
Who knows the story of Jonah so we can apply a modern scientific and logical debate as to the voracity of this Old Testament story? I would like to hear from anyone who believes the story of Jonah.
coolbean38: I believe all stories in the bible are true and a lot require miracles, so what, God has that power, parting of the red sea, miracle of God, Jesus died and rose from the dead, does obe want to talk about that??
As for the parting of the read sea, in the times, that supposedly happened:
"A Good Wind and Good Timing
In the latest attempt to lend scientific credence to a supernatural event, Naum Volzinger, a senior researcher at St. Petersburg's Institute of Oceanography, and Alexei Androsov, a colleague based in Hamburg, Germany, analyzed conditions that could have made the parting of the Red Sea possible.
As the biblical story goes: "And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided."
Volzinger and Androsov calculated that a wind blowing at the speed of 67 miles per hour sustained overnight could have exposed a reef that existed close below the ocean surface. The Israelites could have then fled over the passage before the wind died down and waters rose again, blocking the way for pursuing Egyptian soldiers in their wheeled chariots.
Volzinger explains that some 3,500 years ago, the reef would have been closer to the water's surface so it would have been exposed for just the right amount of time.
"It would take the Jews … four hours to cross the 7-kilometer reef that runs from one coast to another," Volzinger told The Moscow Times. "Then, in half an hour, the waters would come back."
A miracle? Perhaps. Great timing? Certainly, argues Colin Humphreys, a physicist at Cambridge University in England and author of the book, The Miracles of Exodus.
"I still say they're miracles," Humphreys said. "But I think the miracle is in the timing."
Humphreys has used similar calculations to explain the parting of the Red Sea, although he places the event in a slightly different location along the shore. Other scholars have argued that the name Red Sea has been mistranslated over the centuries from Hebrew and the name yam suph, or "Sea of Reeds" actually refers to a marshy, inland lake, which would have been easier to cross than a sea.
Humphreys traveled to the head of the Gulf of Aqaba of the Red Sea to settle the matter and found that reeds still grow there today due to the freshwater flow of mountain springs. The so-called "Sea of Reeds," he concluded, could therefore refer to the Red Sea. "
At that time, it may seem as a work of god, but actually, those effects were such in that particular region, that at low tide, there was a natural bridge made, as the sea withdrew so much, that the land was shown, and at high tide, again, that land bridge was covered. Sometimes these effects happen so fast, you can see the water rising and falling with a naked eye . . . .
So much about that miracle . . . .
As Jews leaving Egypt, it happened over 40 years, that they left Egypt, and not in one big march as it is presented in the bible . . . .
coolbean38: I believe all stories in the bible are true and a lot require miracles, so what, God has that power, parting of the red sea, miracle of God, Jesus died and rose from the dead, does obe want to talk about that??
Do you also believe that the world is 12,000 years old? When asked the question about the dinosaurs, one usually get's a reply "Ok, dinosaur fossils? Dinosaur fossils? God put those there to test our faith!" ( I'm just asking, cos you state, you believe, everything that is written in the "good book" )… Generally speaking, I Always-get answers like these, what ever one can not argument, with valid points and arguments:
"GOD HAS A PLAN"
"GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS"
"IT IS NOT GOD, BUT HUMAN FREE WILL, THAT GOOD GAVE US, THUS IT IS OUR FAULT"
"GOD IS TESTING US, TO SEE, IF WE WILL BETTER OUR SELVES"
"GOD IS HOPING, THAT IN TIME WE WILL SEE THE LIGHT, AND IS ALLOWING THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN"
"IT IS NOT GOD, BUT THE DEVIL, THAT IS MAKING PEOPLE DO THESE THINGS, OR ALLOW THEM TO HAPPEN, GOD IS JUST OBSERVING AND HOPING, THAT PEOPLE WILL TURN AWAY FROM THE DEVIL, AND SEE THE LIGHT"
"GOD DECIDED, FOR THE SOULS TO SUFFER, COS HE HAS A PLAN FOR THEM, AND THEY WILL HAVE A BETTER LIFE, NEXT TIME WHEN THEY COME BACK TO EARTH (thus also allowing for the reincarnation I believe)"
"GOD HAS A SPECIAL PLACE FOR THEM IN THE HEAVEN ( despite the fact, that everyone are equals in heaven, there are still some, that are more special then others )"
Of course, to each it's own, these replies don't hurt me, personally, but when one looks at the bigger picture, this kind of thinking, and acting upon this way of thinking, does damage to people, in different spheres of life, cos it is prejudiced, and makes a religious person intolerant about anything or anyone, that does not agree with "their point of view" - - - with THAT I do have a problem ( I'd like to point out now, that I am talking in general terms, and not necessarily about you, cos I don't know, how you look at these things, or what kind of a person you are )
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A person if he believed it....could argue this is a matrix and we ard in pods being grown like carrots. Anything is possible by sicere warped thinking and seeking. Who cares what a person believes....except for their attacks against something they don't think is real affecting others thinking with there opinions. With an idea......a person can not be convinced against their will.
The Bible is true with proof if one will look at it soundly. But they will not......making anything up real or not to disput its value.