Fate?...Karma?...Effort? ( Archived) (66)

Aug 7, 2010 7:06 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
DodgeBabe
DodgeBabeDodgeBabepotsdam, New York USA31 Threads 2,299 Posts
Is where we are in life down to our actions, or is it down to some superior force?

Does it matter what we do, how we treat others, or how much we achieve? Is it all pre-destined?

Or is it really worth the effort to try and make a difference?
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Aug 7, 2010 7:15 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
Laura25
Laura25Laura25Somewhere, New York USA50 Threads 6 Polls 8,178 Posts
A combo of all of the above-mentioned.

We do our best (supposedly) and leave the rest to fate.
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Aug 7, 2010 7:20 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
amahlala
amahlalaamahlalaAberdeen, South Dakota USA21 Threads 8,314 Posts
I think it comes down to our own morals and personal code of ethics. We do our best and sometimes it does make difference.hug
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Aug 7, 2010 7:21 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
DodgeBabe
DodgeBabeDodgeBabepotsdam, New York USA31 Threads 2,299 Posts
amahlala: I think it comes down to our own morals and personal code of ethics. We do our best and sometimes it does make difference.


So do you believe then in karma, my dear lady?

Sounds like it.

bouquet
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Aug 7, 2010 7:22 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
DodgeBabe
DodgeBabeDodgeBabepotsdam, New York USA31 Threads 2,299 Posts
Laura25: A combo of all of the above-mentioned.

We do our best (supposedly) and leave the rest to fate.


Bit difficult to answer that one. A little on the fence!laugh
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Aug 7, 2010 7:25 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
EssJay
EssJayEssJayDevon, England UK63 Threads 3,340 Posts
I think we all have a Life Path, if we deviate from that path, it is due to our deliberate actions..JMO.
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Aug 7, 2010 7:26 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
DodgeBabe
DodgeBabeDodgeBabepotsdam, New York USA31 Threads 2,299 Posts
EssJay: I think we all have a Life Path, if we deviate from that path, it is due to our deliberate actions..JMO.


So, again, you are saying its fate that guides us; not our actions?dunno

Who sets the path?
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Aug 7, 2010 7:27 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
amahlala
amahlalaamahlalaAberdeen, South Dakota USA21 Threads 8,314 Posts
DodgeBabe: So do you believe then in karma, my dear lady?

Sounds like it.


Of course, "What goes around, comes around." A variation, one might say of the old adage, "Do unto others....." Have had my proverbial butt kicked enough in life not to believe in karma.bouquet
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Aug 7, 2010 7:32 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
My interpretation of the word Karma is moving energy. Our true nature having given careful consideration to the nature of my physical being leads me to agree the "I" cannot be found. From that deduction i agree our true nature is moving energy, subtle winds driven by the laws of cause and affect. Without cause nothingness.

The way we react to the changes that occur is creating the outcome of our reactions. So if for example i develop anger then the ongoing experience from such a reaction build on anger. On the other hand if i accept i myself created the seed that ripened in interdependence i'm able to more easily develop compassion etc while the seeds of my tomorrows
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Aug 7, 2010 7:33 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
EssJay
EssJayEssJayDevon, England UK63 Threads 3,340 Posts
DodgeBabe: So, again, you are saying its fate that guides us; not our actions?

Who sets the path?


Wish I knew...one of those unanswerable questions
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Aug 7, 2010 7:36 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
DodgeBabe
DodgeBabeDodgeBabepotsdam, New York USA31 Threads 2,299 Posts
robplum: My interpretation of the word Karma is moving energy. Our true nature having given careful consideration to the nature of my physical being leads me to agree the "I" cannot be found. From that deduction i agree our true nature is moving energy, subtle winds driven by the laws of cause and affect. Without cause nothingness.

The way we react to the changes that occur is creating the outcome of our reactions. So if for example i develop anger then the ongoing experience from such a reaction build on anger. On the other hand if i accept i myself created the seed that ripened in interdependence i'm able to more easily develop compassion etc while the seeds of my tomorrows


What a wonderful statement, rob!

thumbs up wine
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Aug 7, 2010 7:40 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
DodgeBabe
DodgeBabeDodgeBabepotsdam, New York USA31 Threads 2,299 Posts
amahlala: I sort of view Karma/Fate/WhatHaveYou as both something that happens to one and others and also believe that ones actions also help to shape them.....(wishy-washy and indecisive I know...but it works for me)


I think you are a "Fate"-Type Person, A. Thats cool.

Kind of interested in the subject at the moment.bouquet
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Aug 7, 2010 7:44 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
amahlala
amahlalaamahlalaAberdeen, South Dakota USA21 Threads 8,314 Posts
DodgeBabe: I think you are a "Fate"-Type Person, A. Thats cool.

Kind of interested in the subject at the moment.


Quite possibly am. I know though, that when I stopped striving to be what I perceived others wanted and/or needed me to be, I became a much happier person within me...hug
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Aug 7, 2010 7:46 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
DodgeBabe
DodgeBabeDodgeBabepotsdam, New York USA31 Threads 2,299 Posts
amahlala: Quite possibly am. I know though, that when I stopped striving to be what I perceived others wanted and/or needed me to be, I became a much happier person within me...


Thats true. We can all do that sometimes.

Fate is what I have gone with generally; I have faith in my intuition, so am guided by that.

What will be, will be.

bouquet peace
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Aug 7, 2010 7:51 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
DodgeBabe: What a wonderful statement, rob!


I spent quite a lot of time studying the view held by HH Dalai Lama (HHDL), some how sent me into international debate and got me to construct a UN document on behalf his government in exile. Was once upon-a-time masquerading as a director of a Temple that got unlawfully sold. So i am trying explain I've actually studied a bit and have for many years looked into the subject matter of this thread. On the other hand I'm just a guy, a Vietnam Veteran i tried to find some understanding that made sense...cant spell for nuts...

If we still our minds and closely examine in what way do i exist, what is the true nature of my being. I find ever changing cells, toenails the grow, hair the grows, skin that falls off, food digestion, bones made of minerals, thoughts that change, all of it impermanent.

Then what is my nature?
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Aug 7, 2010 7:53 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
DodgeBabe
DodgeBabeDodgeBabepotsdam, New York USA31 Threads 2,299 Posts
robplum: I spent quite a lot of time studying the view held by HH Dalai Lama (HHDL), some how sent me into international debate and got me to construct a UN document on behalf his government in exile. Was once upon-a-time masquerading as a director of a Temple that got unlawfully sold. So i am trying explain I've actually studied a bit and have for many years looked into the subject matter of this thread. On the other hand I'm just a guy, a Vietnam Veteran i tried to find some understanding that made sense...cant spell for nuts...

If we still our minds and closely examine in what way do i exist, what is the true nature of my being. I find ever changing cells, toenails the grow, hair the grows, skin that falls off, food digestion, bones made of minerals, thoughts that change, all of it impermanent.

Then what is my nature?


A Vietnam Vet discussing fate and karma. Thats interesting. Maybe someone who has faced what you did finds more meaning and looks deeper into this subject.

Thank you for your post.

wine
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Aug 7, 2010 8:24 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
DodgeBabe: Thats true. We can all do that sometimes.

Fate is what I have gone with generally; I have faith in my intuition, so am guided by that.

What will be, will be.
thumbs up Only one person Knows




grin cheers
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Aug 7, 2010 8:25 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
DodgeBabe
DodgeBabeDodgeBabepotsdam, New York USA31 Threads 2,299 Posts
patmac: Only one person Knowshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt_Sj7-tTfM


Ah, Doris...

Yep, she knew..grin
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Aug 7, 2010 8:32 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
thewall2
thewall2thewall2montreal, Quebec Canada61 Threads 10,499 Posts
I live my life the way I see fit...which isn't selfish.
Demanding others live their life the way i SEE FIT is..

So I do my own thing..danse my danse..as they say.



I HAVE PASSIONS in life,and I DON'T let anybody stop me from living them out.
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Aug 7, 2010 8:33 PM CST Fate?...Karma?...Effort?
DodgeBabe
DodgeBabeDodgeBabepotsdam, New York USA31 Threads 2,299 Posts
thewall2: I live my life the way I see fit...which isn't selfish.
Demanding others live their life the way i SEE FIT is..

So I do my own thing..danse my danse..as they say.
I HAVE PASSIONS in life,and I DON'T let anybody stop me from living them out.


So is that allowing fate to dictate your life, Wall, or your own actions?
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