how sad (138)
puggle: the fact of the matter is that this drug is introduced into early teen impressionable impoverished soceity mostly.. the victims(and they are victims) are too young and peer pressured into starting...the fact that yrs down the road might make them
steal,fight,bite...indeed anythin to feed their habit is not to be lost on the innocence they lost as kids...
if you keep that in mind you inevitably reach to conclussion""they never had a chance!""
if this is realised, then you must agree that the solution is at the start... when their young, not by slamming them onto metadone and clinic lines... percent success is low...
steal,fight,bite...indeed anythin to feed their habit is not to be lost on the innocence they lost as kids...
if you keep that in mind you inevitably reach to conclussion""they never had a chance!""
if this is realised, then you must agree that the solution is at the start... when their young, not by slamming them onto metadone and clinic lines... percent success is low...
puggle: the fact of the matter is that this drug is introduced into early teen impressionable impoverished soceity mostly.. the victims(and they are victims) are too young and peer pressured into starting...the fact that yrs down the road might make them
steal,fight,bite...indeed anythin to feed their habit is not to be lost on the innocence they lost as kids...
if you keep that in mind you inevitably reach to conclussion""they never had a chance!""
if this is realised, then you must agree that the solution is at the start... when their young, not by slamming them onto metadone and clinic lines... percent success is low...
but just like any education...get them young and the success rate is much much greater...jmo mind!!
and is it sad???
yes...for ev victim,family member,community at large..
steal,fight,bite...indeed anythin to feed their habit is not to be lost on the innocence they lost as kids...
if you keep that in mind you inevitably reach to conclussion""they never had a chance!""
if this is realised, then you must agree that the solution is at the start... when their young, not by slamming them onto metadone and clinic lines... percent success is low...
but just like any education...get them young and the success rate is much much greater...jmo mind!!
and is it sad???
yes...for ev victim,family member,community at large..
Dont be under any illusion that this is a problem only for the "impressionable impoverished society" when only a few years back during our "celtic tiger" times it was the done thing for young professionals to be snoting coke at every opportunity, which led onto untold problems for not only them, but their middle and upper class family who had at the end of the day become responsible for hiding a junkie through shame and embarrassment,but they would have also the money to hide such an embarrassment , and there are lot more hidden one's than the poor unfortunates on the street, I hardly think that any parent when their child is born wants them to become a junkie, whatever their background, education or background sometimes has nothing to do with the problem
Primula: I`m saying get them before they start using, then problems will be sorted out hopefully, no much point trying to sort it out after the horse has bolted, althought many ex junkies have turned their lives around even after the fact, they faced their demons instead of hiding them away with drugs
get them before they star using???
how with the horoscopes?assignation: Dont be under any illusion that this is a problem only for the "impressionable impoverished society" when only a few years back during our "celtic tiger" times it was the done thing for young professionals to be snoting coke at every opportunity, which led onto untold problems for not only them, but their middle and upper class family who had at the end of the day become responsible for hiding a junkie through shame and embarrassment,but they would have also the money to hide such an embarrassment , and there are lot more hidden one's than the poor unfortunates on the street, I hardly think that any parent when their child is born wants them to become a junkie, whatever their background, education or background sometimes has nothing to do with the problem
galwaydave: get them before they star using??? how with the horoscopes?
yes buy the sun newspaper every day and you will predict if you will start using in the future or not
I`m saying nobody starts using if they have a happy and normal life as it is, there must be some underlying issue that causes a person to go and shoot up whether it be trying to suppress and experience that happened in childhood or simply peer pressure, and most people fall with peer pressure
The culture of the supposed designer drugs was born of an entirely different set of circumstances to heroin. While the results and implications are similar for the people and families involved, the circumstances were entirely different and came about from an excess rather than dire hardship.
Also better educated and better income families will find more and greater resources than those on the lower socio-economic scale to help with rehabilitation.
Also better educated and better income families will find more and greater resources than those on the lower socio-economic scale to help with rehabilitation.
assignation: Dont be under any illusion that this is a problem only for the "impressionable impoverished society" when only a few years back during our "celtic tiger" times it was the done thing for young professionals to be snoting coke at every opportunity, which led onto untold problems for not only them, but their middle and upper class family who had at the end of the day become responsible for hiding a junkie through shame and embarrassment,but they would have also the money to hide such an embarrassment , and there are lot more hidden one's than the poor unfortunates on the street, I hardly think that any parent when their child is born wants them to become a junkie, whatever their background, education or background sometimes has nothing to do with the problem
the too drugs are not comparrable on simple chemical bassis... heroin is addictive on a neurological level which leads addicts to being totally convinced of its power and worth...coke is more of an endorphinated drug...
as for the the reasoning on the society i picked? well its this...
at five or ten euro as an introductory offer(which it is!) heroin is open to those of lesser means or poverty,fact..
but the addiction is progressive at an enormous rate ..leading to 200 euro a day habit as the norm..hence the crime needed to keep habit going.
i`m in no way trying to be condesending, but it is a subject i have experience of and have learned alot about...
that being said..on a side track, please support the campaigns to get the hse to give the funding back to the hardest hit areas of all those well known organisations trying to educate and help./.
woods: From the start you've tried to undermine me, with your comment about my single status, (look back if you've forgotten) you've tried to play the man and not the ball. If you think my views are stupid for many reasons then why not give those reasons!!!
ok! how can you expect an overtaxed prison service to cater for those addicted? while also rehabbing carer criminals and giving them the skills and reasons not to offend again?
sally101: The culture of the supposed designer drugs was born of an entirely different set of circumstances to heroin. While the results and implications are similar for the people and families involved, the circumstances were entirely different and came about from an excess rather than dire hardship.
Also better educated and better income families will find more and greater resources than those on the lower socio-economic scale to help with rehabilitation.
Also better educated and better income families will find more and greater resources than those on the lower socio-economic scale to help with rehabilitation.
ok in some way I agree, but are you sayin that if your parents have money you know more about the dangers of heroin, everyone knows whatever background, but what makes a person go down that road, your background or social standing doesnt! However they all end up in the one place whether your family is paying for it or the public health service is and that is because addiction doesnt discriminate between any member of society
galwaydave: ok! how can you expect an overtaxed prison service to cater for those addicted? while also rehabbing carer criminals and giving them the skills and reasons not to offend again?
You'd have to invest in newer and bigger prisons, whether it's done or not I don't know but it's what I'd do if the decision was mine.
woods: You'd have to invest in newer and bigger prisons, whether it's done or not I don't know but it's what I'd do if the decision was mine.
so you stand by your statement that we should send heroin addicts to prisn?
heroin addicts are used in prison as soldiers if i have a problem with anyone i just tell a few lads "look if you want an ounce of gear stab him in the face" the guy is strung out so he does it
thunor: then youve never seen how bad things can get (i have and you realy dont want to know)
my heart bleeds
woods: If they break the law!
when you take heroin you break the law dude! so thats what your saying? i just want to understand cause i know you think im trying to attack your character
It's a reflection on our society that we saw this happen all over the inner cities in UK and Ireland during the early 80's. A supposed war was waged against the scourge of heroin - all of a sudden we all had a few bob and we were all too busy to notice whether we won the war or not. 25 years on and it's like nothing changed.
sally101: It's a reflection on our society that we saw this happen all over the inner cities in UK and Ireland during the early 80's. A supposed war was waged against the scourge of heroin - all of a sudden we all had a few bob and we were all too busy to notice whether we won the war or not. 25 years on and it's like nothing changed.
nothing changes as long as the masses sit and stare
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