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iamwhoiamyousee: I think it has more to do with that Germans in general do not like change.. there is a lot that needs fixing here..but because of the attitude ..things stagnate..
I can't say that I blame the Germans or any other EU Member who are prudent,pay their taxes,work hard and then are forced to bail out those countries that do not,just because, not to do so would weaken their common currency.
It is like a Family where all work hard but one of the Family, gambles, drinks and spends all the money while all tho other hard working members have to pay for it, net result?, all are brought down.
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And thats what the unelected do in the EU.....
Chrisys: It is like a Family where all work hard but one of the Family, gambles, drinks and spends all the money while all tho other hard working members have to pay for it, net result?, all are brought down.
And thats what the unelected do in the EU.....
The euro never was very popular in Germany .
Wholesales, retail sales and municipals used the Euro to increase prices and tax, many restaurants for example raised prices up to 100%.
Wholesales, retail sales and municipals used the Euro to increase prices and tax, many restaurants for example raised prices up to 100%.
heinzketchup: The euro never was very popular in Germany .
Wholesales, retail sales and municipals used the Euro to increase prices and tax, many restaurants for example raised prices up to 100%.
Wholesales, retail sales and municipals used the Euro to increase prices and tax, many restaurants for example raised prices up to 100%.
that is true..don't know about restaurants..but yes when the euro was decided upon by the gov..prices started to go up...then later oh boy..they just exchanged the DM sign for the Euro sign..in hardware stores this was more than evident..
but what I meant by my earlier post was that Germans do not like change because they are ridgid..they dispise change they really do not like it, they refuse to move for a job among other things, they complain but do not want to change anything,..our school system here sucks..it is a 3 class system..based on worker, middle and upper class.. that needs to get changed.. I mean com on..until a few years ago a school diploma gotten in lower Saxony for instance did not even count in Bavaria..and visa versa.. People might think that Germany is a great place..but..anyway..
I think the euro will stay just like the Eu will not disband..it would bring more trouble than could be handled for one..plus to admit to mistakes..no one will..they will have to clean up their act and they know it or they will go down..the taxpayer was and always will be the one who carries the burden..that will never change IMO
Yes, I will never understand, Germans complain about nearly everything and ask gov for laws for everything - and then complain about having too much laws
I don´t know much about the German school system, I thought school is free and without charge for everybody
I don´t know much about the German school system, I thought school is free and without charge for everybody
heinzketchup: Yes, I will never understand, Germans complain about nearly everything and ask gov for laws for everything - and then complain about having too much laws
I don´t know much about the German school system, I thought school is free and without charge for everybody
I don´t know much about the German school system, I thought school is free and without charge for everybody
yes the schools are free..what I meant by class system was we have
3 different types of schools..one finishes after the 9th grade then 10th and 12th..worker you know like carpenters and plummers and such..kids who come out of families like that will mostly be send to that kinda school..seldom will teachers recommend them to a higher school..to get a better education..high school is basically reserved for kids from doctors and the likes..you will never see a child that comes out of a doctor family be send to a low school...yet for a worker class child to be send to get a high school diploma is very hard..even if he would get very good grades..and would wanted to attend college afterwards..here..in Germany the class system..kinda like the cast system in India still exist even so they deny it..
heinzketchup: The euro never was very popular in Germany .
Wholesales, retail sales and municipals used the Euro to increase prices and tax, many restaurants for example raised prices up to 100%.
same happened in the sixties,when the Bahamas went from the Pound to the Dollar!Wholesales, retail sales and municipals used the Euro to increase prices and tax, many restaurants for example raised prices up to 100%.
..here..in Germany the class system..kinda like the cast system in India still exist even so they deny it..
From my observations the class system is still all pervasive in many places,perhaps in some cases the "class" is more about who has most money rather than the old "born into it" system.
For me (and I only speak for my own experience)when attending Exhibitions and Conferences, I am always pleased when I see they are to be held in Germany, you know that it will be well organised and high quality, if you have a problem it will be sorted out. When I see Exhibitions & Conferences are to be held in Spain, Portugal and some othe southern european Countries, I know that it will be one long problem and nobody will take any responsibility for anything, that's 30 years of experience talking.
From my observations the class system is still all pervasive in many places,perhaps in some cases the "class" is more about who has most money rather than the old "born into it" system.
For me (and I only speak for my own experience)when attending Exhibitions and Conferences, I am always pleased when I see they are to be held in Germany, you know that it will be well organised and high quality, if you have a problem it will be sorted out. When I see Exhibitions & Conferences are to be held in Spain, Portugal and some othe southern european Countries, I know that it will be one long problem and nobody will take any responsibility for anything, that's 30 years of experience talking.
A cast system in Germany????
No, never heard about that. I know that in some areas in public schools up to 90% of pupils speak a very bad German, children with a immigration background and children which were born into the "harz 4 milieu "
Their experiences in the first 6 years before school begins, shapes them in a very negative way.
A very difficult situation for a school, but not only a German problem...
No, never heard about that. I know that in some areas in public schools up to 90% of pupils speak a very bad German, children with a immigration background and children which were born into the "harz 4 milieu "
Their experiences in the first 6 years before school begins, shapes them in a very negative way.
A very difficult situation for a school, but not only a German problem...
heinzketchup: A cast system in Germany????
No, never heard about that. I know that in some areas in public schools up to 90% of pupils speak a very bad German, children with a immigration background and children which were born into the "harz 4 milieu "
Their experiences in the first 6 years before school begins, shapes them in a very negative way.
A very difficult situation for a school, but not only a German problem...
No, never heard about that. I know that in some areas in public schools up to 90% of pupils speak a very bad German, children with a immigration background and children which were born into the "harz 4 milieu "
Their experiences in the first 6 years before school begins, shapes them in a very negative way.
A very difficult situation for a school, but not only a German problem...
yes a cast system..( but you will never hear people admit to it )partly selfinduced though..a teacher might actually recomend that a child from a worker family goes to middle school or maybe even highschool..but then the parents will go against it and send it to what is called here hauptschule (finishes at 9th grade)because in their eyes their child does not need a higher education(since they did not have one themselves) anyway the point is that the school system needs to be overhauled and we need just one school not 3..because it keeps bright kids from fulfilling their potential..but I doubt things will change because Germans are to narrow minded and set in their ways to really change anything..their motto is what was good then is good now..even so they can see the if faltering and crumbling around their feet..I grew up here..left when I was 21 and came back because of my now ex s job..and then you really notice those things...in order to get things better here people need to change their attitude including the gov. but that will most likely never happen..I am taking part in a workshop at this moment..when ask if for a job one would move..I was the only one who said yes..all others would rather be unemployed then move to where they could support their families..to comfortable in their surroundings,they actually will not work if its out of their town or more the 30 min drive away..stiff as a cropse I would say..harzIV is the biggest crock of s..t if you fall into it, getting out is almost impossible..they want you to get off it..but they toss so many sticks between peoples legs that for them to get up and walk away becomes a nightmare..
Chrisys: ..here..in Germany the class system..kinda like the cast system in India still exist even so they deny it..
From my observations the class system is still all pervasive in many places,perhaps in some cases the "class" is more about who has most money rather than the old "born into it" system.
For me (and I only speak for my own experience)when attending Exhibitions and Conferences, I am always pleased when I see they are to be held in Germany, you know that it will be well organised and high quality, if you have a problem it will be sorted out. When I see Exhibitions & Conferences are to be held in Spain, Portugal and some othe southern european Countries, I know that it will be one long problem and nobody will take any responsibility for anything, that's 30 years of experience talking.
From my observations the class system is still all pervasive in many places,perhaps in some cases the "class" is more about who has most money rather than the old "born into it" system.
For me (and I only speak for my own experience)when attending Exhibitions and Conferences, I am always pleased when I see they are to be held in Germany, you know that it will be well organised and high quality, if you have a problem it will be sorted out. When I see Exhibitions & Conferences are to be held in Spain, Portugal and some othe southern european Countries, I know that it will be one long problem and nobody will take any responsibility for anything, that's 30 years of experience talking.
Hi Chris
There's a big truth behind what you said. However, at some point (one being CS an international site) every one has a different background, culture, and thought process from which he or she can draw from. The more diversified they are, the greater the understanding and the perspective on what the whole picture is all about. We can only appreciate what we have if we have an idea on what other situations really look like and not based on preconceived ideas.
Experience is indeed the greatest teacher.
I know that in Germany many people prefer to air their heels and be unemployed, the gov pays for everything. What do you expect from those people? The only thing they teach their children is how to get money from gov without working for it. A high school diploma is not required for Harz 4, so why education for the kids?
Do you really want the education system to motivate
Goals motivate actions - and these people have no goals.
I don´t know if another education system would help.
BTW, many of my German coworkers have blue class / working class parental homes - and a masters degree.
Do you really want the education system to motivate
Goals motivate actions - and these people have no goals.
I don´t know if another education system would help.
BTW, many of my German coworkers have blue class / working class parental homes - and a masters degree.
Replying to the posts about class distinctions in education ...... it is a lot like that here in CH as well, I think?
To get higher in education, the child has to come from higher motivated parents, otherwise he/she just does their "Lehr" (apprenticeship) in a trade. And if they want to get higher, they have to study in their own time, and pay for it.
OR .... the child has to have exceptionally high marks AND motivation AND parents who can afford the higher school costs, plus the transportation, and all the xtras required.
To get higher in education, the child has to come from higher motivated parents, otherwise he/she just does their "Lehr" (apprenticeship) in a trade. And if they want to get higher, they have to study in their own time, and pay for it.
OR .... the child has to have exceptionally high marks AND motivation AND parents who can afford the higher school costs, plus the transportation, and all the xtras required.
A apprenticeship in trade or crafts is nothing bad, good craftsmen make a lot of money and not everybody is applicable for a chief physician / or a manager job.
heinzketchup: A apprenticeship in trade or crafts is nothing bad, good craftsmen make a lot of money and not everybody is applicable for a chief physician / or a manager job.
At last the UK has gone back to the Apprentiship model,just my own opinion but I did think that many young people who wanted to be a craftsman/woman were persuaded by their parents to go to University instead, perhaps it was/is as much about the parental expectations rather than what the young person really wants to do.
With the rise in environmentalism and perhaps some "back to basics" more simple life attitudes, we are now seeing real young craftspeople emerging.
The West Country in UK is full of young potters, carpenters, etc, especially around Newton Abbot, so good to see at least some opting for what makes them happy and not what makes them money, perhaps I have also detected that their relationships seem to be a lot better, less stress and more life quality.
heinzketchup: A apprenticeship in trade or crafts is nothing bad, good craftsmen make a lot of money and not everybody is applicable for a chief physician / or a manager job.
Yes, that is what makes Switzerland "tick", I think? At least everyone is trained to do SOMETHING....Not to just have a basic academic education ... reading, writing, arithmetic.Even shop assistants have to do a 3 year apprenticeship!!!..learning ALL about how the shop runs ..... ordering, pricing, customer relations, cleaning, etc etc... all about the products, bread baking, cheese selections ...... They dont just sit behind the till!
Chrisys: I can't say that I blame the Germans or any other EU Member who are prudent,pay their taxes,work hard and then are forced to bail out those countries that do not,just because, not to do so would weaken their common currency.
It is like a Family where all work hard but one of the Family, gambles, drinks and spends all the money while all tho other hard working members have to pay for it, net result?, all are brought down.
It is like a Family where all work hard but one of the Family, gambles, drinks and spends all the money while all tho other hard working members have to pay for it, net result?, all are brought down.
I agree that it like a family, though somewhere in the ground of a family there’s love. We suppose that the family members love and are fond of each other, that there are not only terms of profitability that hold them together. When one of your family is terminally ill and his death is a matter of time, you still spend money on his treatment, because you love him.
I’m afraid that EU isn’t a family and has never been. It’s been established first and foremost as a political union, and Euro was only consequence, though economically EU countries are very different. When Sweden was voting whether or not to enter the Euro zone, our teacher at Uppsala University argued that the best possible monetary union for Sweden would be one with New Zeeland because of the similarities of their economies. In terms of economical stability and in the long run. Perhaps, the learned man was right – it didn’t matter that the Greek were not that eager to pay taxes, and the Irish got loans just for beautiful eyes, when things moved upwards. But now it matters, and perhaps it’s about the time to recall why the union formed in the first place. Was it love, or money, or stability, or what?
Tulefel: I agree that it like a family, though somewhere in the ground of a family there’s love. We suppose that the family members love and are fond of each other, that there are not only terms of profitability that hold them together. When one of your family is terminally ill and his death is a matter of time, you still spend money on his treatment, because you love him.
I’m afraid that EU isn’t a family and has never been. It’s been established first and foremost as a political union, and Euro was only consequence, though economically EU countries are very different. When Sweden was voting whether or not to enter the Euro zone, our teacher at Uppsala University argued that the best possible monetary union for Sweden would be one with New Zeeland because of the similarities of their economies. In terms of economical stability and in the long run. Perhaps, the learned man was right – it didn’t matter that the Greek were not that eager to pay taxes, and the Irish got loans just for beautiful eyes, when things moved upwards. But now it matters, and perhaps it’s about the time to recall why the union formed in the first place. Was it love, or money, or stability, or what?
I’m afraid that EU isn’t a family and has never been. It’s been established first and foremost as a political union, and Euro was only consequence, though economically EU countries are very different. When Sweden was voting whether or not to enter the Euro zone, our teacher at Uppsala University argued that the best possible monetary union for Sweden would be one with New Zeeland because of the similarities of their economies. In terms of economical stability and in the long run. Perhaps, the learned man was right – it didn’t matter that the Greek were not that eager to pay taxes, and the Irish got loans just for beautiful eyes, when things moved upwards. But now it matters, and perhaps it’s about the time to recall why the union formed in the first place. Was it love, or money, or stability, or what?
Well of course from the love aspect, you are right but there were and are a number of other considerations, only as block could Europe hope to compete with the likes of the USA, at the time the USA had a consumer base of over 250 million and was a mighty power, part of the idea of a commercially united Europe was to aggregate the consumer and production base which then totalled over 300 million consumers, this gave strength to large European based corporations who took on the might of USA Industry, just look at Airbus, prior the that there was no large scale non USA competition. We also have to think of the old Colonial ties of some European countries, these ties ensure supply of raw materials to Europe.
Chrisys: Well of course from the love aspect, you are right but there were and are a number of other considerations, only as block could Europe hope to compete with the likes of the USA, at the time the USA had a consumer base of over 250 million and was a mighty power, part of the idea of a commercially united Europe was to aggregate the consumer and production base which then totalled over 300 million consumers, this gave strength to large European based corporations who took on the might of USA Industry, just look at Airbus, prior the that there was no large scale non USA competition. We also have to think of the old Colonial ties of some European countries, these ties ensure supply of raw materials to Europe.
Then what would be the conclusion? “United we stand”?
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Maybe if the had thought about it when the green back was thought about..
Some reports are stating this...
Nearly 60% of Germans want their Deutschmark back instead of ailing eurohttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335447/Nearly-60-Germans-want-Deutschmark-instead-ailing-euro.html
I think it has more to do with that Germans in general do not like change.. there is a lot that needs fixing here..but because of the attitude ..things stagnate..