Margarete: Well said and I also agree with mindful. It is very simple, if I don't like a thread, I choose not to participate on it. If I pass by a certain religious group on the street to which I happen to disagree, I will not start shouting at them or disrespecting their beliefs. The same should apply here, if you don't believe in God, just move on to the next thread, there are plenty here!
I am not a religious person, but I do believe in God, on my own way, I saw what the OP posted and found it beautiful and in my opinion true, and although I disagree with many things that Christians do and preach I still see the beauty on what was posted. Also just as a reminder, CS has a RELIGION, SPIRITUALITY AND PHYLOSOPHY forum dedicated to whoever wants to post about these subjects, and the OP posted it there, not elsewhere, so if you are not religious and do not believe in God is very simple, just keep away. If you are entitled to not to believe in something, wouldn't the same principle apply otherwise?
We should all practice more tolerance, the world would be a much better place.
Medsummerflopping around on the beach, Liguria Italy1,682 posts
Dear mindful, sunnydaze14, Margarete,
Your saying your words against me in regards to my posts here. Your dwelling on this word “discriminate” and I think your using it in ignorance. At least from my point of view. I have asked you, mindful, to read the entire thread to see my postings in the context of what I said.
Your reply to me was to say there was “no context for discrimination”. So I am going to assume at this point it was not worth your time to read the thread? Yet, you found reason to say what you said to me.
What I was reacting to was this statement I made here in response to “mindful” which appears to have ignored by the three of you in your zeal to assume I am the anti-christ of this thread. I could go into the postings and follow thru on all of them, but really it is not worth the time now to do so. My reason for posting is what was what I considered was the use of scripture for the following way they were starting to act:
“Somebody will debate this, but how about acting like TROLL's by their actions of just using repetitive quotes from scripture and being told that and then continue doing it for ... pick a reason- -they thought it was fun, -smartass attitude's, -trying to get people angry -or just in the blind religious fashion of continuing to throw scripture as justification for their view when it is empty?”
So I would ask again if you read the entire thread? Have any of you?
The quick outcome of my postings was that in my view it was starting to look like the same old bs threads you get when the trolls start playing. My postings were to stop way they were starting to carry on and that was all it was. You can read/assume anything you want from it as you appear to be doing. Your postings are just as “discriminatory” as you say mine are. From your positions you presume a lot about me to have a complete picture of my views on religion. Say what you will however as I will not come back to this thread again and perhaps not even stay on CS for a few more reasons then the obvious ones.
If "God" goes on strike then church freaks will get a heart attack and the rest of us will be happy. Tell him to go on strike and stay on it, i can live without him.
Your saying your words against me in regards to my posts here. Your dwelling on this word “discriminate” and I think your using it in ignorance. At least from my point of view. I have asked you, mindful, to read the entire thread to see my postings in the context of what I said.
Your reply to me was to say there was “no context for discrimination”. So I am going to assume at this point it was not worth your time to read the thread? Yet, you found reason to say what you said to me.
What I was reacting to was this statement I made here in response to “mindful” which appears to have ignored by the three of you in your zeal to assume I am the anti-christ of this thread. I could go into the postings and follow thru on all of them, but really it is not worth the time now to do so. My reason for posting is what was what I considered was the use of scripture for the following way they were starting to act:
“Somebody will debate this, but how about acting like TROLL's by their actions of just using repetitive quotes from scripture and being told that and then continue doing it for ... pick a reason- -they thought it was fun, -smartass attitude's, -trying to get people angry -or just in the blind religious fashion of continuing to throw scripture as justification for their view when it is empty?”
So I would ask again if you read the entire thread? Have any of you?
The quick outcome of my postings was that in my view it was starting to look like the same old bs threads you get when the trolls start playing. My postings were to stop way they were starting to carry on and that was all it was. You can read/assume anything you want from it as you appear to be doing. Your postings are just as “discriminatory” as you say mine are. From your positions you presume a lot about me to have a complete picture of my views on religion. Say what you will however as I will not come back to this thread again and perhaps not even stay on CS for a few more reasons then the obvious ones.
Dear MedSummer
First of all, I never mentioned your nickname in any of my posts on this thread. Second of all, if I had to disagree with anything that any particular member had said I would address them directly, and they would know exactly where I stand in relation to them. I am a big girl, I can take the heat. I believe you missed my point entirely, my point here is that the original post did not tried to convert or preach anything, he simply posted a nice piece of text about God in the (and I repeat) RELIGION, SPIRITUALITY & PHYLOSOPHY forum. If people are not religious, or spiritual and ultimately do not believe in God, why on earth do they click on such posts???? There are plenty of forums around for all tastes, so why cannot people leave it alone?? That is my point. For instance, I usually have no interest in the Games forum, so would it be ok if I just go in and start saying that the thread is stupid, silly or whatever I feel i can say? NO, it is not ok. I simply just don't participate, that is my point here. People love to lecture about freedom of speech, choices and bla bla bla, but forget that other people also have the same rights.
Margrete I read your post but the last it contradicts itself totally .
There are plenty of forums around for all tastes, so why cannot people leave it alone?? That is my point. For instance, I usually have no interest in the Games forum, so would it be ok if I just go in and start saying that the thread is stupid, silly or whatever I feel i can say? NO, it is not ok. I simply just don't participate, that is my point here. People love to lecture about freedom of speech, choices and bla bla bla, but forget that other people also have the same rights.
So leave the thread alone it is not OK
How is that FREEDOM OF SPEECH....
We all have the right to comment on any thread. A forum is a discussion so all can take part on any subject.
I do get the point you are trying to make folk all have their favourite threads but surely we must be able to comment on all ???
Margrete I read your post but the last it contradicts itself totally .
There are plenty of forums around for all tastes, so why cannot people leave it alone?? That is my point. For instance, I usually have no interest in the Games forum, so would it be ok if I just go in and start saying that the thread is stupid, silly or whatever I feel i can say? NO, it is not ok. I simply just don't participate, that is my point here. People love to lecture about freedom of speech, choices and bla bla bla, but forget that other people also have the same rights.
So leave the thread alone it is not OK
How is that FREEDOM OF SPEECH....
We all have the right to comment on any thread. A forum is a discussion so all can take part on any subject.
I do get the point you are trying to make folk all have their favourite threads but surely we must be able to comment on all ???
Your saying your words against me in regards to my posts here. Your dwelling on this word “discriminate” and I think your using it in ignorance. At least from my point of view. I have asked you, mindful, to read the entire thread to see my postings in the context of what I said.
Your reply to me was to say there was “no context for discrimination”. So I am going to assume at this point it was not worth your time to read the thread? Yet, you found reason to say what you said to me.
What I was reacting to was this statement I made here in response to “mindful” which appears to have ignored by the three of you in your zeal to assume I am the anti-christ of this thread. I could go into the postings and follow thru on all of them, but really it is not worth the time now to do so. My reason for posting is what was what I considered was the use of scripture for the following way they were starting to act:
“Somebody will debate this, but how about acting like TROLL's by their actions of just using repetitive quotes from scripture and being told that and then continue doing it for ... pick a reason- -they thought it was fun, -smartass attitude's, -trying to get people angry -or just in the blind religious fashion of continuing to throw scripture as justification for their view when it is empty?”
So I would ask again if you read the entire thread? Have any of you?
The quick outcome of my postings was that in my view it was starting to look like the same old bs threads you get when the trolls start playing. My postings were to stop way they were starting to carry on and that was all it was. You can read/assume anything you want from it as you appear to be doing. Your postings are just as “discriminatory” as you say mine are. From your positions you presume a lot about me to have a complete picture of my views on religion. Say what you will however as I will not come back to this thread again and perhaps not even stay on CS for a few more reasons then the obvious ones.
Dear Medsommer, I never mentioned your name and none of my posts were directed towards you. I am not a religious person, but I do have my own beliefs which are personal and I have no wish to discuss them here. I respect anyones right to express there views if they wish, to start a thread and qoute any book they like. Obviously, a religious person would quote the bible. I have no problem with that. I can ignore it if I'm not interested. I believe EVERYONE has a right to express themselves here and discuss anything they want to. Every time any religious person starts a thread (in the Religion category) the same bunch of people come in with the same comments. Ok, it works both ways. Its very predictable. I'm not spending any more time on this thread, its not that interesting to me. I just wanted to make the point that TOLERANCE IS A TWO WAY STREET. I hope you and everyone here has a very Happy New Year. I think we all need it to be better than the last one.
For me I happen to be a Christian with friends of all kinds of races and religions. I prefer to treat all people with kindness and respect no matter what their skin colour or beliefs may be. It's a small word we all have to share. Hatred over religion and misunderstanding has been the cause of many wars. We should all try to get along and show love for one another even if we do not fully understand each others cultures if we wish this beautiful Earth to survive.
patmac: Margrete I read your post but the last it contradicts itself totally .There are plenty of forums around for all tastes, so why cannot people leave it alone?? That is my point. For instance, I usually have no interest in the Games forum, so would it be ok if I just go in and start saying that the thread is stupid, silly or whatever I feel i can say? NO, it is not ok. I simply just don't participate, that is my point here. People love to lecture about freedom of speech, choices and bla bla bla, but forget that other people also have the same rights. So leave the thread alone it is not OK
How is that FREEDOM OF SPEECH....
We all have the right to comment on any thread. A forum is a discussion so all can take part on any subject.
I do get the point you are trying to make folk all have their favourite threads but surely we must be able to comment on all ???
As always JMO
Pat I see where you are coming from, however, to make a comment is one thing, to ridicule and make agressive comments towards someone else's faith is a completely different matter. Some of the posts were very disrespectul indeed, so no, it is not ok. And I will repeat this, I am not a religious person myself, however, I come from a country where we tolerate all sorts of faith, Brazil is probably one of the countries which has the most diverse religious beliefs in the world, if not the only country I dare say. We have muslims, jews, christians, spiritualists of all sorts, evangelics etc etc etc, not to mention the mixture of African originated religions with catholic beliefs which happens here for centuries. Are we 100% tolerant, of course not, but my point is that most of us, and I am talking about nearly 200 million people have learned that religion is something that one should always respect, no matter how wrong we think that is.
Margarete: Pat I see where you are coming from, however, to make a comment is one thing, to ridicule and make agressive comments towards someone else's faith is a completely different matter. Some of the posts were very disrespectul indeed, so no, it is not ok. And I will repeat this, I am not a religious person myself, however, I come from a country where we tolerate all sorts of faith, Brazil is probably one of the countries which has the most diverse religious beliefs in the world, if not the only country I dare say. We have muslims, jews, christians, spiritualists of all sorts, evangelics etc etc etc, not to mention the mixture of African originated religions with catholic beliefs which happens here for centuries. Are we 100% tolerant, of course not, but my point is that most of us, and I am talking about nearly 200 million people have learned that religion is something that one should always respect, no matter how wrong we think that is.
Nothing wrong with the respect Margarete it is the folks who want to Convert, or push their own brand of religion to all I object to. Religion should always be personal and a guide for folks, not something we ram down the throats of others who have their own beliefs. Toleration to all is paramount and that starts with respecting the other persons beliefs.
patmac: Nothing wrong with the respect Margarete it is the folks who want to Convert, or push their own brand of religion to all I object to. Religion should always be personal and a guide for folks, not something we ram down the throats of others who have their own beliefs. Toleration to all is paramount and that starts with respecting the other persons beliefs.As always JMO
When it comes to "ramming down our throats" I think the Athiests do as much of that here on CS as the bible crowd, dont you agree?
Margarete: Pat I see where you are coming from, however, to make a comment is one thing, to ridicule and make agressive comments towards someone else's faith is a completely different matter. Some of the posts were very disrespectul indeed, so no, it is not ok. And I will repeat this, I am not a religious person myself, however, I come from a country where we tolerate all sorts of faith, Brazil is probably one of the countries which has the most diverse religious beliefs in the world, if not the only country I dare say. We have muslims, jews, christians, spiritualists of all sorts, evangelics etc etc etc, not to mention the mixture of African originated religions with catholic beliefs which happens here for centuries. Are we 100% tolerant, of course not, but my point is that most of us, and I am talking about nearly 200 million people have learned that religion is something that one should always respect, no matter how wrong we think that is.
I hardly think Brazil is more culturally diverse than any other country
Margarete: Pat I see where you are coming from, however, to make a comment is one thing, to ridicule and make agressive comments towards someone else's faith is a completely different matter. Some of the posts were very disrespectul indeed, so no, it is not ok. And I will repeat this, I am not a religious person myself, however, I come from a country where we tolerate all sorts of faith, Brazil is probably one of the countries which has the most diverse religious beliefs in the world, if not the only country I dare say. We have muslims, jews, christians, spiritualists of all sorts, evangelics etc etc etc, not to mention the mixture of African originated religions with catholic beliefs which happens here for centuries. Are we 100% tolerant, of course not, but my point is that most of us, and I am talking about nearly 200 million people have learned that religion is something that one should always respect, no matter how wrong we think that is.
Thank you Margarete. Here in the United States we have the same belief to also live and let live especially in South Florida where we have so many cultures. It is a good thing though except for those people who have no acceptance for people who are different than themselves. It's a great blessing to be able to accept and get along with all types of people because all people are not able to do that. We must be able to accept those people also. Happy New Year.
Sunnydaze14: When it comes to "ramming down our throats" I think the Athiests do as much of that here on CS as the bible crowd, dont you agree?
i agree with that....they are not understanding the word "testimony".....and they thought by sharing our testimony on how God has changed our lives, they thought that we ram down thier throats..... .....But i understand that, you cant expect all people will understand us becoz they havent encountered yet what we have encountered already when it comes to presence of God...
But one thing i observed here that whenever we are giving our testimonies, they are like so allergic and get so angry so easily of the testimonies.... ...But oh well, Praise God, our eyes are now opened as well as our hearts to be understanding these people...No matter what they say, we will keep giving our testimonies and to share to everyone how good is God, whether they accept it or not,or disagree or not it is up to them...But our Joy, Peace and Strong Love for one another that we would like to share will continue until the time that we already united with God....
Peace and love to all..... ....God bless you all, in Jesus Christ name, amen....
lovingheart2: i agree with that....they are not understanding the word "testimony".....and they thought by sharing our testimony on how God has changed our lives, they thought that we ram down thier throats..... .....But i understand that, you cant expect all people will understand us becoz they havent encountered yet what we have encountered already when it comes to presence of God...
But one thing i observed here that whenever we are giving our testimonies, they are like so allergic and get so angry so easily of the testimonies.... ...But oh well, Praise God, our eyes are now opened as well as our hearts to be understanding these people...No matter what they say, we will keep giving our testimonies and to share to everyone how good is God, whether they accept it or not,or disagree or not it is up to them...But our Joy, Peace and Strong Love for one another that we would like to share will continue until the time that we already united with God....
Peace and love to all..... ....God bless you all, in Jesus Christ name, amen....
Doing it again, folk like me (a catholic) FOR THE RECORD, are not interested in Testimonies and preaching . Only in the tolerance we keep asking for for ALL. That is "Believers" and so called non believers..... By the way do you actually read the folk who ask for tolerance and request to stop preaching at us as you consistanly do.
And just to keep you happy someone once said there are very few Athiests on a death bed ....So eventually it comes to most of us
trulee01: Thank you Margarete. Here in the United States we have the same belief to also live and let live especially in South Florida where we have so many cultures. It is a good thing though except for those people who have no acceptance for people who are different than themselves. It's a great blessing to be able to accept and get along with all types of people because all people are not able to do that. We must be able to accept those people also. Happy New Year.
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I am not a religious person, but I do believe in God, on my own way, I saw what the OP posted and found it beautiful and in my opinion true, and although I disagree with many things that Christians do and preach I still see the beauty on what was posted. Also just as a reminder, CS has a RELIGION, SPIRITUALITY AND PHYLOSOPHY forum dedicated to whoever wants to post about these subjects, and the OP posted it there, not elsewhere, so if you are not religious and do not believe in God is very simple, just keep away. If you are entitled to not to believe in something, wouldn't the same principle apply otherwise?
We should all practice more tolerance, the world would be a much better place.
Thank you