JUST WATCHED A STONING (376)
Hello Pat hun x thought it was one of your famous funny threads didnt read what it was under ......
will in future
P.S The BBC only ever show what they want people to see
but thats another story
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patmac: Yep all these things have happened, but the burning at the stake a long time ago. All folk in the Palestine problem have nicked land.
This thread is about the stoning, nothing else just that terrible stoning.
As always JMO
This thread is about the stoning, nothing else just that terrible stoning.
As always JMO
Perpetrated by the Taliban, an extremist group that hang on to power by terrorising their subjects.
Whatever soapbox takes one's fancy, this fact stands out above all.
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trish123: I know, and Im with you on the disgust at it - I was just having a bit of a rant
Rant on Trish Rant on
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patmac: I have just this second watched a stoning of a young couple in Northern Ahganistan .
Hundreds of Taliban stoned the woman first she survived hundreds of stones so they shot her three times.
The young lad was stoned next and the holes they were placed in for the stoning became their graves....
Civilised Islamic Judgement ......
Not in any decent civilised country....
BBC NEWS SHOWED IT 5 MINUTES AGO.
same folks who gave us 9/11 what do u expect n usa is a bully.Hundreds of Taliban stoned the woman first she survived hundreds of stones so they shot her three times.
The young lad was stoned next and the holes they were placed in for the stoning became their graves....
Civilised Islamic Judgement ......
Not in any decent civilised country....
BBC NEWS SHOWED IT 5 MINUTES AGO.
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Blues63: Perpetrated by the Taliban, an extremist group that hang on to power by terrorising their subjects.
Whatever soapbox takes one's fancy, this fact stands out above all.
Whatever soapbox takes one's fancy, this fact stands out above all.
I think that you have to look at the mechanism that the Taliban used to do the stonings. And the motive for them.
The mechanism is Sharia Law. The motive is to supress a village community into their fundamental beliefs.
Here are some stats from Pew Research poll on Sharia Law and Stoning....a phone poll of Muslims only.
Views on Harsh Punishment:
.......Stoning...whipping/amputation...death penalty/leaving faith % in favor
Turkey...16%............13%.........................5%
Egypt....82%............77%........................84%
Jordan...70%............58%........................86%
Lebanon..23%............13%........................6%
Indonesia42%............36%........................30%
Pakistan.82%............82%........................76%
Nigeria..56%............65%........................51%
Islam influence in Politics:
Indonesia ..6% Negative...91% Positive
Egypt.......2% Negative...85% Positive
Jordan.....14% Negative...76% Positive
Pakistan....6% Negative...69% Positive
Lebanon....32% Negative...58% Positive
Turkey.....31% Negative...38% Positive
Obvious the number of moderate Muslims in the world is less than what many think. Moderate Muslims would not support harsh punishments.
A article on Pew poll can be found at
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ttom500: I think that you have to look at the mechanism that the Taliban used to do the stonings. And the motive for them.
The mechanism is Sharia Law. The motive is to supress a village community into their fundamental beliefs.
Here are some stats from Pew Research poll on Sharia Law and Stoning....a phone poll of Muslims only.
Views on Harsh Punishment:
.......Stoning...whipping/amputation...death penalty/leaving faith % in favor
Turkey...16%............13%.........................5%
Egypt....82%............77%........................84%
Jordan...70%............58%........................86%
Lebanon..23%............13%........................6%
Indonesia42%............36%........................30%
Pakistan.82%............82%........................76%
Nigeria..56%............65%........................51%
Islam influence in Politics:
Indonesia ..6% Negative...91% Positive
Egypt.......2% Negative...85% Positive
Jordan.....14% Negative...76% Positive
Pakistan....6% Negative...69% Positive
Lebanon....32% Negative...58% Positive
Turkey.....31% Negative...38% Positive
Obvious the number of moderate Muslims in the world is less than what many think. Moderate Muslims would not support harsh punishments.
A article on Pew poll can be found at
The mechanism is Sharia Law. The motive is to supress a village community into their fundamental beliefs.
Here are some stats from Pew Research poll on Sharia Law and Stoning....a phone poll of Muslims only.
Views on Harsh Punishment:
.......Stoning...whipping/amputation...death penalty/leaving faith % in favor
Turkey...16%............13%.........................5%
Egypt....82%............77%........................84%
Jordan...70%............58%........................86%
Lebanon..23%............13%........................6%
Indonesia42%............36%........................30%
Pakistan.82%............82%........................76%
Nigeria..56%............65%........................51%
Islam influence in Politics:
Indonesia ..6% Negative...91% Positive
Egypt.......2% Negative...85% Positive
Jordan.....14% Negative...76% Positive
Pakistan....6% Negative...69% Positive
Lebanon....32% Negative...58% Positive
Turkey.....31% Negative...38% Positive
Obvious the number of moderate Muslims in the world is less than what many think. Moderate Muslims would not support harsh punishments.
A article on Pew poll can be found at
While I agree, the Taliban are especially reactionary. They even tried to eradicate their own history. Their brand of rule resembles the Khmer Rouge more so than other Islamic countries. Do they support harsh punishments, or are they compelled to?
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Blues63: While I agree, the Taliban are especially reactionary. They even tried to eradicate their own history. Their brand of rule resembles the Khmer Rouge more so than other Islamic countries. Do they support harsh punishments, or are they compelled to?
The way I see it....the Taliban are the enforcement tool of the radical clerics in the region. You have to remember bin Laden was a Iman cleric....he issued a fatwa for 911.
They don't simply stone a person without a cleric approval. That would be murder. But once that Cleric has given the edict or fatwa....they are "honor obligated" to fulfill it.
They also act a drug group...collecting and protecting drug fields..moving the drugs to processing and across the borders.
So have local field operation that ar enot connecte to religioun.
So the difference here....between the Khmer Rouge and the Taliban....the Khmer Rouges were operating under communist government orders..of Pol Pot. Presently with Taliban out of power....in both Pakistan and Afghanistan....they operate under a edicts of clerics and to the orders of Omar Mohammed
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ttom500: The way I see it....the Taliban are the enforcement tool of the radical clerics in the region. You have to remember bin Laden was a Iman cleric....he issued a fatwa for 911.
They don't simply stone a person without a cleric approval. That would be murder. But once that Cleric has given the edict or fatwa....they are "honor obligated" to fulfill it.
They also act a drug group...collecting and protecting drug fields..moving the drugs to processing and across the borders.
So have local field operation that ar enot connecte to religioun.
So the difference here....between the Khmer Rouge and the Taliban....the Khmer Rouges were operating under communist government orders..of Pol Pot. Presently with Taliban out of power....in both Pakistan and Afghanistan....they operate under a edicts of clerics and to the orders of Omar Mohammed
They don't simply stone a person without a cleric approval. That would be murder. But once that Cleric has given the edict or fatwa....they are "honor obligated" to fulfill it.
They also act a drug group...collecting and protecting drug fields..moving the drugs to processing and across the borders.
So have local field operation that ar enot connecte to religioun.
So the difference here....between the Khmer Rouge and the Taliban....the Khmer Rouges were operating under communist government orders..of Pol Pot. Presently with Taliban out of power....in both Pakistan and Afghanistan....they operate under a edicts of clerics and to the orders of Omar Mohammed
True, I understand that. My comparison to the Khmer Rouge was based on the similarity regarding the 'Year One' policy. The wiping out of history and the destruction of the intellectuals etc. Their respective ideologies are quite different, the results are quite similar. It is shocking to see Afghanistan in the 70's prior to the overthrow of the elected government which the Soviets responded to, and the Afghanistan under the Taliban.
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Blues63: True, I understand that. My comparison to the Khmer Rouge was based on the similarity regarding the 'Year One' policy. The wiping out of history and the destruction of the intellectuals etc. Their respective ideologies are quite different, the results are quite similar. It is shocking to see Afghanistan in the 70's prior to the overthrow of the elected government which the Soviets responded to, and the Afghanistan under the Taliban.
The sad thing here....is...all religion has symbols and the fear of the unknown associated to it.
So for groups like the Taliban..it is a prefect mechanism to fear the people. A woman not wear the Burka (a symbolic garb) becomes a person of suspicion.
And you have high percentage of people in the Islamic world....according to the Pew poll....wanting Islam to be part of their politics. Islam alone is not bad....add in Sharia Law and
groups like the Taliban to enforce it....and you have big time problems in human rights violations and repressions.
But not all is lost.
Iranian woman...Christian women....hide the cross necklasses under the Habib they wear.
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ttom500: The sad thing here....is...all religion has symbols and the fear of the unknown associated to it.
So for groups like the Taliban..it is a prefect mechanism to fear the people. A woman not wear the Burka (a symbolic garb) becomes a person of suspicion.
And you have high percentage of people in the Islamic world....according to the Pew poll....wanting Islam to be part of their politics. Islam alone is not bad....add in Sharia Law and
groups like the Taliban to enforce it....and you have big time problems in human rights violations and repressions.
But not all is lost.
Iranian woman...Christian women....hide the cross necklasses under the Habib they wear.
So for groups like the Taliban..it is a prefect mechanism to fear the people. A woman not wear the Burka (a symbolic garb) becomes a person of suspicion.
And you have high percentage of people in the Islamic world....according to the Pew poll....wanting Islam to be part of their politics. Islam alone is not bad....add in Sharia Law and
groups like the Taliban to enforce it....and you have big time problems in human rights violations and repressions.
But not all is lost.
Iranian woman...Christian women....hide the cross necklasses under the Habib they wear.
No, Islam is not bad as such, it is the way it is exploited and employed by those who gain power.
Good night Tom.
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Blues63: No, Islam is not bad as such, it is the way it is exploited and employed by those who gain power.
Good night Tom.
Good night Tom.
Good night Blue....
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patmac: Yep all these things have happened, but the burning at the stake a long time ago. All folk in the Palestine problem have nicked land.
This thread is about the stoning, nothing else just that terrible stoning.
As always JMO
This thread is about the stoning, nothing else just that terrible stoning.
As always JMO
Speaking of burning, how's your throat today pat?
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Paldi5: Speaking of burning, how's your throat today pat?
The Locketts worked well .............
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patmac: The Locketts worked well .............
noted and reported
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Paldi5: noted and reported
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This thread is about the stoning, nothing else just that terrible stoning.
As always JMO
I know, and Im with you on the disgust at it - I was just having a bit of a rant