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Feb 20, 2011 2:45 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Johnwain
JohnwainJohnwainDublin, Ireland7 Threads 466 Posts
johnaustin123: There is something going on with Russia, the Middle East and youtube. My link to the Kremlin is gone for now.

These are a couple of interesting videos on topic:

Epicenter 2011" The Middle East...Jo...



Obama Comments on Economy, Middle East



turku, Lansi-Suomen Laani Finland

You are only allowed (3) Emoticons to post on CS.



yes John there's something going on :

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Feb 20, 2011 3:04 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Johnwain (John) thumbs up

I can't top that video yet.

Have you ever heard of this? I practice daily:

1) For good Mental Health, you should make a compartment in your mind to put daily problems away. It must have a lock and key that you only control. In other words, don’t think about your problems…lock them away and only look at the present. It helps for sleep at night.

2) Develop a workshop in your mind, whether it is a hobby or a loved one. Meditate while working in your shop to improve your life.

These techniques work.
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Feb 20, 2011 3:26 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Johnwain
JohnwainJohnwainDublin, Ireland7 Threads 466 Posts
johnaustin123: Johnwain (John)

I can't top that video yet.

Have you ever heard of this? I practice daily:

1) For good Mental Health, you should make a compartment in your mind to put daily problems away. It must have a lock and key that you only control. In other words, don’t think about your problems…lock them away and only look at the present. It helps for sleep at night.

2) Develop a workshop in your mind, whether it is a hobby or a loved one. Meditate while working in your shop to improve your life.

These techniques work.


Ohh Yes Thanks John I ve been practicing something very similar for years together with daily exercise wine
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Feb 20, 2011 3:53 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
thumbs up John
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Feb 20, 2011 7:40 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
We all don't know what will happen to us in life from day to day; whether we live in USA, Middle East or anywhere else.

Take life and accept it one day at a time. It is a gift whether you believe in a higher power or not.

True Story:

This happened in NYC. A man was told by his Doctor that he had to quit smoking. He quit like the Doctor said. The next day he left his Apartment to go to work. He was ran over by a cigarette truck and killed.

Life is very precious and fragile. Love your loved ones and family while you can. Some aged people are not sure whether they will even awaken in the morning.

Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody

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Feb 20, 2011 7:57 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Conrad73: Fred,Fred,Fred,when will you stop your Dis-Informatiom Campaign?
Arabs In the Knesset!
Israel the only Democracy in the Region!
Fred,Fred,Fred!
Surrounded by DEMOCRATIC Arab-States?
Start enumerating!
That's gonna be good!


Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Palistinian authority, Yemen, soon Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, soon hopefully Iran.
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Feb 20, 2011 7:59 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
As you may already know, President Qaddafi has fled Libya for Venezuela about an hour ago.
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Feb 20, 2011 8:03 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Feb 20, 2011 8:07 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
patmac: Being surrounded by democratic Arab neighbor states may give Israel a new sense of belonging, especially if they can view their neighbors as equals and friends and if the neighbors accept them. If not, Israel will quickly become a rogue state with democracy only for Jews and a flawed system at that. Lets see what the Arabs do. Can democratic peace loving countries live with a crazy neighbor bent on expansionism and armed to the teeth? If democracy florishes in the region, Israel will need to change course or conquer and drive away the neighbors so they won't make her look bad.

You have got to be Joking DEMOCRATIC Arab states.Which ones ????Egypt Maybe soon

Jordan Not yet

Palestine No way

Syria Watch this space

Lebanon getting there someday

And the rest of the Arab world is at this moment boiling over and folk are getting rid of All their current leaders.

Do you watch the news.

The whole of North Africa and the middle east is in turmoil.


Pat, have you noticed how fast things are going? A year ago the whole north of Africa was sleeping, the peace process was moving forward, wiki was an internet encyclopedia.

Pat I am the news! I eat the news, I drink the news (and thanks to you a good scotch now and then.)cheers
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Feb 20, 2011 8:18 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
thumbs up everyone!

This is a song for all of us to remember. Make sure that we all view what is going on in the world and what we can do to help.

The Who - Won't Get Fooled Again - Live 8

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Feb 20, 2011 8:21 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
patmac:
You have got to be Joking DEMOCRATIC Arab states.Which ones ????The whole of North Africa and the middle east is in turmoil.


That was my point. The Arab world is changing. It actually seems to be becoming more western and secular and middle class is gonna be in power. Maybe.

If Israel finds itself soon to be surrounded by democratic states there is a paradigm shift. Israel is no longer the only democracy. That part of their argument for western support and money and even security guarantees vanishes if the neighbors are friendly democratic states.

The new baby democracies will be needing support and money and scarce foreign aid. The rich Arab oil states can help, but Israel can step in too and help make the Middle East a great place. Alternatively they can continue on with their settlement Enterprise and start looking like the old South Africa.

I'm sorry I didn't take the time to make my position more clear. I hope you can follow it now.conversing
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Feb 20, 2011 9:15 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
So lets see now...

Gaddafi cruelly resists, but this Arab democratic revolution is far from over. The burning question is, where next? After Ben Ali and Mubarak, others may not fall so easily – but most regimes are candidates

David Hirst guardian.co.uk, Sunday 20 February 2011 20.00 GMT

The world has yet to settle on an agreed term for the great events unfolding across the Middle East. I was in the depths of the French countryside – out of touch, and with a BBC World Service that could only fade in and out of hearing late at night and early morning – during their latest, awe-inspiring Egypt phase. But I was soon persuaded that the designation which, in an article in Le Monde, Gilles Kepel, the noted expert on Islamic fundamentalism, assigned them would prove as accurately encapsulating as any.

He dubbed them the "Arab democratic revolution".

It is definitely, all-encompassingly Arab. The moment one Arab country, Tunisia, lit the spark, it ignited a fire, a contagion, which all Arabs instantly hoped – and its initially mysterious begetters seem to have envisaged or even planned – would spread to the whole "Arab nation". They all recognised themselves in the aspirations of the Tunisian people, and most appeared to be seized with the belief that if one Arab people could achieve what all had long craved, so could the others.

It is self-evidently democratic. To be sure, other factors, above all the socio-economic, greatly fuelled it, but the concentration on this single aspect of it, the virtual absence of other factional or ideological slogans has been striking. Indeed, so striking that, some now say, this emergence of democracy as an ideal and politically mobilising force amounts to nothing less than a "third way" in modern Arab history.

The first was nationalism, nourished by the experience of European colonial rule and all its works, from the initial great carve-up of the "Arab nation" to the creation of Israel, and the west's subsequent, continued will to dominate and shape the region. The second, which only achieved real power in non-Arab Iran, was "political Islam", nourished by the failure of nationalism.

And it is doubly revolutionary. First, in the very conduct of the revolution itself, and the sheer novelty and creativity of the educated and widely apolitical youth who, with the internet as their tool, kindled it. Second, and more conventionally, in the depth, scale and suddenness of the transformation in a vast existing order that it seems manifestly bound to wreak.

Arab, yes – but not in the sense of the Arabs going their own away again. Quite the reverse. No other such geopolitical ensemble has so long boasted such a collection of dinosaurs, such inveterate survivors from an earlier, totalitarian era; no other has so completely missed out on the waves of "people's power" that swept away the Soviet empire and despotisms in Latin America, Asia and Africa.

In rallying at last to this now universal, but essentially western value called democracy, they are in effect rejoining the world, catching up with history that has left them behind.

If it was in Tunis that the celebrated "Arab street" first moved, the country in which – apart from their own – Arabs everywhere immediately hoped that it would move next was Egypt. That would amount to a virtual guarantee that it would eventually come to them all. For, most pivotal, populous and prestigious of Arab states, Egypt was always a model, sometimes a great agent of change, for the whole region. It was during the nationalist era, after President Nasser's overthrow of the monarchy in 1952, that it most spectacularly played that role. But in a quieter, longer-term fashion, it was also the chief progenitor, through the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood, of the "political Islam" we know today.


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Feb 20, 2011 9:18 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
But third, and most topically, it was also the earliest and most influential exemplar of the thing which, nearly 60 years on, the Arab democratic revolution is all about. Nasser did seek the "genuine democracy" that he held to be best fitted for the goals of his revolution. But, for all its democratic trappings, it was really a military-led, though populist, autocracy from the very outset; down the years it underwent vast changes of ideology, policy and reputation, but, forever retaining its basic structures, it steadily degenerated into that aggravated, arthritic,deeply oppressive and immensely corrupt version of its original self over which Hosni Mubarak presided. With local variations, the system replicated itself in most Arab autocracies, especially the one-time revolutionary ones like his, but in the older, traditional monarchies too.
And, sure enough, Egypt's "street" did swiftly move, and in nothing like the wild and violent manner that the image of the street in action has always tends to conjure up in anxious minds. As a broad and manifestly authentic expression of the people's will, it accomplished the first, crucial stage of what surely ranks as one of the most exemplary, civilised uprisings in history. The Egyptians feel themselves reborn, the Arab world once more holds Egypt, "mother of the world", in the highest esteem. And finally – after much artful equivocation as they waited to see whether the pharaoh, for 30 years the very cornerstone of their Middle East, had actually fallen – President Obama and others bestowed on them the unstinting official tributes of the west.
These plaudits raise the great question: if the Arabs are now rejoining the world what does it mean for the world? Will the adoption of a fundamental western value make it necessarily receptive to western policies or prescriptions? Probably not. Democracy itself, let alone Arab resentment over the west's long record of upholding the old, despotic order, will militate against that.

Practically speaking, the Arabs' "third way" only means that democracy, a political neutral concept in itself, will henceforth serve as their gateway for the conduct of their politics. It doesn't mean supplanting the first two ways. For the politics of those cannot but persist into the third. Islamism, the west's great bugbear, will still be there. A democratic order will find it impossible, on its own or any else's behalf, to do what Nasser once did in the despotic one, execute some Muslim Brotherhood leaders and harshly suppress their followers. It is bound to accommodate them, openly and electorally ceding to them their true weight in Arab affairs, along with that of all other movements in competition with them.

Nationalism, once the other great western bugbear, will be one of these, and very probably, given the Brotherhood's less than glorious role in the uprising, it will regain some of the ground it seriously began losing to the Islamists after the shattering Arab defeat of 1967.

A key, perhaps the key, element in America's now sorely stricken Middle East strategies has always been about the Arab-Israeli conflict. With Islamism and nationalism, not to mention other political forces, freely expressing themselves, an Egyptian democracy will not, cannot, continue to play the role – utterly subservient, if not frankly treasonable, in many Arab eyes – that Mubarak did on behalf of the US and Israel. How significant this particular Egyptian-American divergence becomes remains to be seen. But most Israelis already see it as a calamity in the making, with the ironic consequence that the self-styled "only democracy in the Middle East" now leads the field in proclaiming that democracy should never have been for the Arabs.




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Feb 20, 2011 9:20 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
The 200-year old Bahraini monarchy may have currently retreated into an attempt at dialogue and reconciliation, but this tight-knit, Sunni-minority regime has already shown how tenacious and tough – and bloody – it can be in the face of its Shia-majority uprising. As for Libya, there could hardly ever have been much doubt that, confronted with his uprising, Colonel Gaddafi, cruellest and most capricious of Arab dictators, would seek to do, in the grand manner, what he has always openly proclaimed he would do to any opponent of his 42-year-old Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab State of the Masses: which is to "cut them to pieces".

But most regimes are candidates. Among the few likely exceptions, perhaps the most important, and certainly the most apt, is Lebanon, to which I have now returned. Ever turbulent, ever the most of exposed of Arabs to the consequences of what other Arabs do, it might logically seem destined to be among the first to go. But it isn't – mainly because, alone in the region, it has always been a democracy of sorts.


But all this is looking ahead. For the time being, the burning questions will be about where the Arab democratic revolution strikes next. Though Europe 1989 is the obvious precedent, the kings and presidents may not fall like dominoes as the Honeckers and Ceausescus did. And, in the wake of Ben Ali and Mubarak, others may not fall so easily or prettily either. That is already apparent from the two latest, and most dramatic, episodes in the almost unceasing pro-democracy turbulence that already grips a good half-dozen Arab countries.

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end ... of the beginning.grin
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Feb 20, 2011 9:33 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
emmaline
emmalineemmalineatlanta, Georgia USA6 Threads 1,685 Posts
Paldi5: The 200-year old Bahraini monarchy may have currently retreated into an attempt at dialogue and reconciliation, but this tight-knit, Sunni-minority regime has already shown how tenacious and tough – and bloody – it can be in the face of its Shia-majority uprising. As for Libya, there could hardly ever have been much doubt that, confronted with his uprising, Colonel Gaddafi, cruellest and most capricious of Arab dictators, would seek to do, in the grand manner, what he has always openly proclaimed he would do to any opponent of his 42-year-old Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab State of the Masses: which is to "cut them to pieces".

But most regimes are candidates. Among the few likely exceptions, perhaps the most important, and certainly the most apt, is Lebanon, to which I have now returned. Ever turbulent, ever the most of exposed of Arabs to the consequences of what other Arabs do, it might logically seem destined to be among the first to go. But it isn't – mainly because, alone in the region, it has always been a democracy of sorts.But all this is looking ahead. For the time being, the burning questions will be about where the Arab democratic revolution strikes next. Though Europe 1989 is the obvious precedent, the kings and presidents may not fall like dominoes as the Honeckers and Ceausescus did. And, in the wake of Ben Ali and Mubarak, others may not fall so easily or prettily either. That is already apparent from the two latest, and most dramatic, episodes in the almost unceasing pro-democracy turbulence that already grips a good half-dozen Arab countries.

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end ... of the beginning.


interesting piece and interesting times ahead wine
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Feb 20, 2011 9:38 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
emmaline
emmalineemmalineatlanta, Georgia USA6 Threads 1,685 Posts
Paldi5: That was my point. The Arab world is changing. It actually seems to be becoming more western and secular and middle class is gonna be in power. Maybe.

If Israel finds itself soon to be surrounded by democratic states there is a paradigm shift. Israel is no longer the only democracy. That part of their argument for western support and money and even security guarantees vanishes if the neighbors are friendly democratic states.

The new baby democracies will be needing support and money and scarce foreign aid. The rich Arab oil states can help, but Israel can step in too and help make the Middle East a great place. Alternatively they can continue on with their settlement Enterprise and start looking like the old South Africa.

I'm sorry I didn't take the time to make my position more clear. I hope you can follow it now.


with these changing times, and hopefully for the better, may we see israel change her position to encompass equality and peace for palestinians

thumbs up
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Feb 20, 2011 9:40 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
emmaline: with these changing times, and hopefully for the better, may we see israel change her position to encompass equality and peace for palestinians
thumbs up
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Feb 20, 2011 9:43 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
emmaline: with these changing times, and hopefully for the better, may we see israel change her position to encompass equality and peace for palestinians


And Palestinians change their official policy of death to Israel and Israelis so that Israelis can do so in peace. thumbs up
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Feb 21, 2011 12:42 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Albertaghost: And Palestinians change their official policy of death to Israel and Israelis so that Israelis can do so in peace.
Not holding my Breath!Fatah,MB,and Hamas Charters still read the same!
Apologists ought to go through them sometimes!
Love how some People manage to call Nasser's and others Totalitarian Rule,DEMOCRACY!rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 21, 2011 1:13 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
You can't deny that this is definitely a wave of change and that the majority of the people are fed up with oppression, where it will end up is anybodies guess... and yet I feel hopeful. yay
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