Wow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK3,698 posts
Those who feel these events make them feel hopeful are under an illusion. These are serious events which will not be ending well for countries outside the Middle East.
Wow_Factor: Those who feel these events make them feel hopeful are under an illusion. These are serious events which will not be ending well for countries outside the Middle East.
Wow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK3,698 posts
gininitaly: Who knows? Do you?
I am assuming. Of course, like everyone I would love the world to be all peace and love, but that wont happen. The world next week will be totally different from now, next month even more so and next year we are going to hanker for the good old days. Right, need to do some work, will log in lunchtime!
Gaddafi cruelly resists, but this Arab democratic revolution is far from over. The burning question is, where next? After Ben Ali and Mubarak, others may not fall so easily – but most regimes are candidates
David Hirst guardian.co.uk, Sunday 20 February 2011 20.00 GMT
The world has yet to settle on an agreed term for the great events unfolding across the Middle East. I was in the depths of the French countryside – out of touch, and with a BBC World Service that could only fade in and out of hearing late at night and early morning – during their latest, awe-inspiring Egypt phase. But I was soon persuaded that the designation which, in an article in Le Monde, Gilles Kepel, the noted expert on Islamic fundamentalism, assigned them would prove as accurately encapsulating as any.
He dubbed them the "Arab democratic revolution".
It is definitely, all-encompassingly Arab. The moment one Arab country, Tunisia, lit the spark, it ignited a fire, a contagion, which all Arabs instantly hoped – and its initially mysterious begetters seem to have envisaged or even planned – would spread to the whole "Arab nation". They all recognised themselves in the aspirations of the Tunisian people, and most appeared to be seized with the belief that if one Arab people could achieve what all had long craved, so could the others.
It is self-evidently democratic. To be sure, other factors, above all the socio-economic, greatly fuelled it, but the concentration on this single aspect of it, the virtual absence of other factional or ideological slogans has been striking. Indeed, so striking that, some now say, this emergence of democracy as an ideal and politically mobilising force amounts to nothing less than a "third way" in modern Arab history.
The first was nationalism, nourished by the experience of European colonial rule and all its works, from the initial great carve-up of the "Arab nation" to the creation of Israel, and the west's subsequent, continued will to dominate and shape the region. The second, which only achieved real power in non-Arab Iran, was "political Islam", nourished by the failure of nationalism.
And it is doubly revolutionary. First, in the very conduct of the revolution itself, and the sheer novelty and creativity of the educated and widely apolitical youth who, with the internet as their tool, kindled it. Second, and more conventionally, in the depth, scale and suddenness of the transformation in a vast existing order that it seems manifestly bound to wreak.
Arab, yes – but not in the sense of the Arabs going their own away again. Quite the reverse. No other such geopolitical ensemble has so long boasted such a collection of dinosaurs, such inveterate survivors from an earlier, totalitarian era; no other has so completely missed out on the waves of "people's power" that swept away the Soviet empire and despotisms in Latin America, Asia and Africa.
In rallying at last to this now universal, but essentially western value called democracy, they are in effect rejoining the world, catching up with history that has left them behind.
If it was in Tunis that the celebrated "Arab street" first moved, the country in which – apart from their own – Arabs everywhere immediately hoped that it would move next was Egypt. That would amount to a virtual guarantee that it would eventually come to them all. For, most pivotal, populous and prestigious of Arab states, Egypt was always a model, sometimes a great agent of change, for the whole region. It was during the nationalist era, after President Nasser's overthrow of the monarchy in 1952, that it most spectacularly played that role. But in a quieter, longer-term fashion, it was also the chief progenitor, through the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood, of the "political Islam" we know today.continued
Let's leave the DEMOCRATIC out for the time being,and just call it what it is,A Revolution!
Paldi5: The 200-year old Bahraini monarchy may have currently retreated into an attempt at dialogue and reconciliation, but this tight-knit, Sunni-minority regime has already shown how tenacious and tough – and bloody – it can be in the face of its Shia-majority uprising. As for Libya, there could hardly ever have been much doubt that, confronted with his uprising, Colonel Gaddafi, cruellest and most capricious of Arab dictators, would seek to do, in the grand manner, what he has always openly proclaimed he would do to any opponent of his 42-year-old Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab State of the Masses: which is to "cut them to pieces".
But most regimes are candidates. Among the few likely exceptions, perhaps the most important, and certainly the most apt, is Lebanon, to which I have now returned. Ever turbulent, ever the most of exposed of Arabs to the consequences of what other Arabs do, it might logically seem destined to be among the first to go. But it isn't – mainly because, alone in the region, it has always been a democracy of sorts.But all this is looking ahead. For the time being, the burning questions will be about where the Arab democratic revolution strikes next. Though Europe 1989 is the obvious precedent, the kings and presidents may not fall like dominoes as the Honeckers and Ceausescus did. And, in the wake of Ben Ali and Mubarak, others may not fall so easily or prettily either. That is already apparent from the two latest, and most dramatic, episodes in the almost unceasing pro-democracy turbulence that already grips a good half-dozen Arab countries.
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end ... of the beginning.
Or maybe all those Foreign Fighters got home from Iraq,where they were released from Jail!
If we think that we are immune to Iran’s influence and future attacks in the America’s backyard, we are mistaken.
Hezbollah and Iran are in Mexico and working with the drug cartels. They are trying to rebuild the underground drug tunnels to smuggle fighting men and weapons into the US.
I’m whistle blowing with this report. This is what I’ve been doing today; contacting Law Officials on the southern borders of USA. (I will try to find a better video later, it is on Fox News)
When oil prices rise, like they are doing because of what is going on in the Middle East; food prices also rise...because of oil prices. We are in a quandary in the rest of the world about that. Libya...it is a fact that they have some of the best oil reserves in the world.
Much of that oil is shipped to us (Along with food and grain) to the rest of the world. Last I heard was that Iran now has permission to dock their Military ships in Syria, at the mouth of the Suez Canal.
The 5th fleet of Naval USA warships is also located in Bahrain.
Bahrain, small Nation with only 900,000 people (Size of Jacksonville, Florida) may determine the future of our world.
I relate this song Jane in my mind, because it says "what are you doing?"
Just some interesting info from Italy, an article from Feb. 14 on Berlusconis' relationships with the now ousted dictators, for oil but also trying to stem the tide of the migrant invasion.. and he wasn't so mistaken until now:
Libya is Italys major supplier of oil(the second was Iraq), apparently there were something like 300,000 Italian employees in Libya, many working for the oil company Eni, definitely not a good thing for us or their families.
There has always been the question of Italy being one of the first landing points of middle eastern and African migration in Europe. 30 million have passed thru the boot in the last 10 years from those points alone due to political asylum or unrest, hunger and just the seeking of a better life. Poor Lampedusa being one of the first landing point outside of north Africa has been deluged for years.. just this month almost 2000 Tunisians landed in a day... how does a country handle that? And who knows how many have died never making it to land?
One can only hope for some stability and a quick return to some normalcy.
The more you think about it... you wonder why these dictators didn't simply spread the wealth within their own countries?
Well we know why don't we? When people are more comfortable and not grubbing for every penny, they can afford to think about improving their lot even more... like having free and democratic elections, which of course is not very advantageous to the reigning dictator.
Unfortunately this untenable position has brought over 1,5 million mostly illegal immigrants from all over the world to Europe and is not only an enormous financial burden, but changing the very fabric of each countries individuality. Difficult times for everyone.
Can the Middle East run itself without these dictators with 40 yrs experience in world trade?
I don't know. But I know all of Europe will be wondering how to fill their tanks and heat the house from now until they stabilize.
Kaddafi sent his Military out to gun down his own citizens today.
Thousands dead. France and Europe are in the lead with this. The USA could not do much because over 300 Americans and some from other friendly Nations were aboard a ship which could not leave Harbor because of high Seas and bad weather.
They were sailed to Malta, and some were flown to Turkey.
President Obama and Hillary could not say or do much until they were safe. The USA feared a hostage situation like Iran. 1979.
Did you know that Iran is on the Human Rights Counsel of the UN?
The United Nations kicked them out on their butts today and forced many to resign. The demonstrators against Kaddafi are now in control of the Eastern oil fields in Libya. That is where most of Libyan oil is.
Good or bad, I don't know. The US, Europe and many other Nations finally spoke up today to put major sanctions on Libya.
Kaddafi will be out of the picture shortly. He will be lucky to leave with his remaining short life ahead.
Question? Who will take over in Libya when Kaddafi is gone?
Kaddafi is in a town 30 miles from Tripoli because the rebels (that have the support from the US and United Nations) have taken over Tripoli, Libya. They chased him out.
This is bazzare. I just discovered this today. 'Parazit', is a comedy show in Iran. Iran keeps trying to ban it to other Nations, but it get's out to us.
CNN reports about 'Parazit': The Daily Show of Iran - 13 Jan. 2011
Russia has just spoken. They are not favorable to the no-fly zone in Libya. US, Europe and Australia are. Russia says that it would be counterproductive.
A Russian Judge ordered last year to pull youtube from world access. Apparently it was timed with the Middle East upheaval. Russia is a great ally to much of the world.
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