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Feb 12, 2011 3:19 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Egypt is the center of the Middle East. What happens in Egypt spreads to the surrounding Nations.

Countries by population:

Rank Country Population
1 Egypt
79,011,000
2 Turkey
77,804,122
3 Iran
75,078,000
4 Iraq
31,467,000
5 Saudi Arabia
27,136,977
6 Yemen
24,256,000
7 Syria
22,505,000
8 Israel
7,627,800
9 Jordan
6,472,000
10 United Arab Emirates
4,707,000
11 Lebanon
4,255,000
12 Palestinian Authority
3,935,249
13 Kuwait
3,051,000
14 Oman
2,905,000
15 Qatar
1,696,563
16 Bahrain
807,000

Also don’t forget that Africa borders on the south, and Russia and Europe are close. In fact, Egypt has a border problem with Africa. (Illegal Immigration)

The beat in the Middle East goes on...

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Hillary Clinton is very rarely mistaken, but she did on Egypt. She misread the seriousness of the situation and played it down when she should have played it to a more positive spin.

Hillary was a tad too late, but I like her.

Hillary Clinton: Who Does The U.S. Support?



Hillary Clinton on the Egypt protests – video



It broke my heart when I saw the signs in Iran of “Death to America” and “America now has no influence in the Middle East”.

As American’s, we do live across the Pond.

Most of these Countries all want Democracy; but what does that mean to them? Do they understand the principals? What is next? Military control?

I will get off of my soapbox now and would like to hear your comments about the direction that other Nations may take from the Egyptian movement.

Israel may be surrounded now and isolated for the first time since the formation of their Nation since 1948. The Peace Accord of 1979 with Egypt still seems safe.

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Feb 12, 2011 4:01 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
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Feb 12, 2011 7:07 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Here's the plan... If it's enacted, the Arab world will be going in a new direction. Peace, no more war. Democracy and prosperity unfolds for all.
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Text: Arab peace plan of 2002
This is the official translation of the Saudi-proposed Arab peace initiative adopted at the annual Arab League Summit in Beirut in 2002.

The Council of the League of Arab States at the Summit Level, at its 14th Ordinary Session,

- Reaffirming the resolution taken in June 1996 at the Cairo Extra-Ordinary Arab Summit that a just and comprehensive peace in the Middle East is the strategic option of the Arab Countries, to be achieved in accordance with International Legality, and which would require a comparable commitment on the part of the Israeli Government.

- Having listened to the statement made by His Royal Highness Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, the Crown Prince of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in which his Highness presented his Initiative, calling for full Israeli withdrawal from all the Arab territories occupied since June 1967, in implementation of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, reaffirmed by the Madrid Conference of 1991 and the land for peace principle, and Israel's acceptance of an independent Palestinian State, with East Jerusalem as its capital, in return for the establishment of normal relations in the context of a comprehensive peace with Israel.

- Emanating from the conviction of the Arab countries that a military solution to the conflict will not achieve peace or provide security for the parties, the council:


1. Requests Israel to reconsider its policies and declare that a just peace is its strategic option as well.

2. Further calls upon Israel to affirm:

a. Full Israeli withdrawal from all the territories occupied since 1967, including the Syrian Golan Heights to the lines of June 4, 1967 as well as the remaining occupied Lebanese territories in the south of Lebanon.

b. Achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian Refugee problem to be agreed upon in accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution 194.

c. The acceptance of the establishment of a Sovereign Independent Palestinian State on the Palestinian territories occupied since the 4th of June 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital.


3. Consequently, the Arab Countries affirm the following:

a. Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict ended, and enter into a peace agreement with Israel, and provide security for all the states of the region.

b. Establish normal relations with Israel in the context of this comprehensive peace.


4. Assures the rejection of all forms of Palestinian patriation which conflict with the special circumstances of the Arab host countries.

5. Calls upon the Government of Israel and all Israelis to accept this initiative in order to safeguard the prospects for peace and stop the further shedding of blood, enabling the Arab Countries and Israel to live in peace and good neighborliness and provide future generations with security, stability, and prosperity.

6. Invites the International Community and all countries and Organizations to support this initiative.

7. Requests the Chairman of the Summit to form a special committee composed of some of its concerned member states and the Secretary General of the League of Arab States to pursue the necessary contacts to gain support for this initiative at all levels, particularly from the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States of America, the Russian Federation, the Muslim States and the European Union.

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Feb 12, 2011 7:27 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Thank you Paldi5

That was a very, very, very informative comment! This is a wee bit off topic, but interesting:

PEACE TREATY BETWEEN ISRAEL AND EGYPT
Attached Letters

Joint Letter from President Sadat and Prime Minister Begin to President Carter

March 26, 1979

The President
The White House

Dear Mr. President,

This letter confirms that Israel and Egypt have agreed as follows:

The Governments of Israel and Egypt recall that they concluded at Camp David and signed at the White House on September 17, 1978, the annexed documents entitled "A Framework for Peace in the Middle East agreed at Camp David" and "Framework for the Conclusion of a Peace Treaty between Israel and Egypt."

For the purpose of achieving a comprehensive peace settlement in accordance with the above-mentioned Frameworks, Israel and Egypt will proceed with the implementation of those provisions relating to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. They have agreed to start negotiations within a month after the exchange of the instruments of ratification of the Peace Treaty. In accordance with the "Framework for Peace in the Middle East," the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan is invited to join the negotiations. The Delegations of Egypt and Jordan may include Palestinians as mutually agreed. The purpose of the negotiations shall be to agree, prior to the elections, on the modalities for establishing the elected self-governing authority (administrative council), define its powers and responsibilities and agree upon other related issues. In the event Jordan decides not to take part in the negotiations, the negotiations will be held by Israel and Egypt.

The two Governments agree to negotiate continuously and in good faith to conclude these negotiations at the earliest possible date. They also agree that the objective of the negotiations is the establishment of the self-governing authority in the West Bank and Gaza in order to provide full autonomy to the inhabitants.

Israel and Egypt set for themselves the goal of completing the negotiations within one year so that elections will be held as expeditiously as possible after agreement has been reached between the parties. The self-governing authority referred to in the "Framework for Peace in the Middle East" will be established and inaugurated within one month after it has been elected, at which time the transitional period of five years will begin. The Israel military government and its civilian administration will be withdrawn, to be replaced by the self-governing authority, as specified in the "Framework for Peace in the Middle East." A withdrawal of Israeli armed forces will then take place and there will be a redeployment of the remaining Israeli forces into specified security locations.

This letter also confirms our understanding that the United States Government will participate fully in all stages of negotiations.

Yours sincerely,

For the Government
of Israel
Menachem Begin
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Feb 12, 2011 7:32 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
For the Government of the
Arab Republic of Egypt
Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat

Letter from President Carter to Prime Minister Begin about the Deployment of a UN or an Alternate Multinational Force

March 26, 1979

His Excellency Menachem Begin,
Prime Minister of the State of Israel

Dear Mr. Prime Minister,

I wish to confirm to you that subject to United States Constitutional processes:

In the event of an actual or threatened violation of the Treaty of Peace between Israel and Egypt, the United States will, on request of one or both of the Parties, consult with the Parties with respect thereto and will take such other action as it may deem appropriate and helpful to achieve compliance with the Treaty.

The United States will conduct aerial monitoring as requested by the Parties pursuant to Annex I of the Treaty. The United States believes that the Treaty provision for permanent stationing of United Nations personnel in the designated limited force zone can and should be implemented by the United Nations Security Council. The United States will exert its utmost efforts to obtain the requisite action by the Security Council. If the Security Council fails to establish and maintain the arrangements called for in the Treaty, the President will be prepared to take those steps necessary to ensure the establishment and maintenance of an acceptable alternative multinational force.

Sincerely,
Jimmy Carter
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Feb 12, 2011 7:35 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Exchange of Letters between President Carter and Prime Minister Begin Regarding the Exchange of Ambassadors between Egypt and Israel

March 26, 1979

His Excellency Menachem Begin
Prime Minister of the State of Israel

Dear Mr. Prime Minister,

I have received a letter from President Sadat that, within one month after Israel completes its withdrawal to the interim line in Sinai, as provided for in the Treaty of Peace between Egypt and Israel, Egypt will send a resident ambassador to Israel and will receive in Egypt a resident Israeli ambassador.

I would be grateful if you will confirm that this procedure will be agreeable to the Government of Israel.

Sincerely,
Jimmy Carter

March 26, 1979

The President,
The White House

Dear Mr. President,

I am pleased to be able to confirm that the Government of Israel is agreeable to the procedure set out in your letter of March 26, 1979, in which you state:

"I have received a letter from President Sadat that, within one month after Israel completes its withdrawal to the interim line in Sinai, as provided for in the Treaty of Peace between Egypt and Israel, Egypt will send a resident ambassador to Israel and will receive in Egypt a resident Israeli ambassador."

Sincerely,

Menachem Begin
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Feb 13, 2011 9:13 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Explain this video? The green horse and rider goes through and up the crowd. Is it fake?

AMAZING footage - EGYPT RIOTS 4 horse of the Ap...



Watch closely again:

AMAZING footage - EGYPT RIOTS 4 horse of the Ap...

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Feb 13, 2011 11:42 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
johnaustin123: Explain this video? The green horse and rider goes through and up the crowd. Is it fake?

AMAZING footage - EGYPT RIOTS 4 horse of the Ap...



Watch closely again:

AMAZING footage - EGYPT RIOTS 4 horse of the Ap...



Of course its fake. The horse is the wrong color.
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Feb 13, 2011 3:09 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
LOL Paldi5

You are correct. We always have to watch what we see in the Media. Since we are not there, we don't know.

Iran will have a major demonstration Monday, February 14 in the streets. This is going to be very big news.

Protests Erupt in Iran After Elections: News Cu...

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Feb 13, 2011 3:52 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
johnaustin123:
Israel may be surrounded now and isolated for the first time since the formation of their Nation since 1948.


Not sure what you mean. They were isolated in 1948 up until their peace agreements with Jordan and Egypt (which remain to this day) so please explain.

johnaustin123: The Peace Accord of 1979 with Egypt still seems safe.


Indeed it does so I hope your theory of what happens in Egypt will happen everywhere and all nations make peace with her.

Peace Train - Yousef Islam

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Feb 13, 2011 5:16 PM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
thumbs up Wow_Factor

You looked very deep into the videos and you got it!

Notice on this video that comments have been banned.

Empire - What future for 'Greater Israel...

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Feb 14, 2011 12:06 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
johnaustin123: Wow_Factor

You looked very deep into the videos and you got it!

Notice on this video that comments have been banned.

Empire - What future for 'Greater Israel...



Could you if possible give me a synopsis of the above clip. It is just that it lasts for 25 minutes and I work a 12 to 15 hour day!!!

When comments on the above video is banned it is because AlJazeera who put on the video does not have the inclination to monitor or answer comments. Big organisations often disable comments as well as individuals - they are perfectly within their rights to do so.
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Feb 14, 2011 12:08 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
Johnaustin123 - if you are able to, put the word PALLYWOOD into the youtube.com search bar. Very enlightening!
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Feb 14, 2011 12:31 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Syrian Golan Heights problem there
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Feb 14, 2011 12:42 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
Wow_Factor: Johnaustin123 - if you are able to, put the word PALLYWOOD into the youtube.com search bar. Very enlightening!


Thanks... Interesting theater. The war of video propaganda.
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Feb 14, 2011 12:49 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
Sparky55: Thanks... Interesting theater. The war of video propaganda.


Absolutely. It is a huge propaganda war, and Israel is unfortunately the loser because of it.

The propoganda of photos of non-IDF people (dressed in IDF uniforms which are easily purchased) and those Arabs in Israeli uniforms harrasing women and children are sickening too.

This Pallywood industry is huge and no doubt you will have noticed that there are many clips.

Flaws in every clip, flaws in every claim.
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Feb 14, 2011 1:29 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
Wow_Factor: Absolutely. It is a huge propaganda war, and Israel is unfortunately the loser because of it.

The propoganda of photos of non-IDF people (dressed in IDF uniforms which are easily purchased) and those Arabs in Israeli uniforms harrasing women and children are sickening too.

This Pallywood industry is huge and no doubt you will have noticed that there are many clips.

Flaws in every clip, flaws in every claim.


No arguement here. The videos I watched were pretty clear on that fact. Now comes the part where some will say the Israelis doctored these to their adantagelaugh

This situation really is sad. But you have to admit the Pallywood funeral procession where they dropped the corpse, which then got back on the gurney under his/her own power (twice) was pretty funny. Smile, you're on candid camera.. laugh
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Feb 14, 2011 2:13 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Sparky55: No arguement here. The videos I watched were pretty clear on that fact. Now comes the part where some will say the Israelis doctored these to their adantage

This situation really is sad. But you have to admit the Pallywood funeral procession where they dropped the corpse, which then got back on the gurney under his/her own power (twice) was pretty funny. Smile, you're on candid camera..
Yep,that was a good one!!!!!!!!!!!! rolling on the floor laughing

Hi Sparky!wave
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Feb 14, 2011 5:10 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
Conrad73: Yep,that was a good one!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Sparky!


Hey Conradwave Somethings never change huh..laugh
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Feb 14, 2011 5:12 AM CST Middle East Nations other than Egypt
Sparky55: Hey Conrad Somethings never change huh..
A Corpse scared to Death!
Really takes the cake!rolling on the floor laughing
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