gitmo and torture (409)
Interesting point for you to bring up "Moazzam Begg" Emmaline, I read some interesting info about him in particular.
Apparently in April of 2010, Gita Sahgal, the leader of Amnesty International CONDEMNED her organizations involvement with Moazzam Begg..and called it I quote, " a gross error of judgment."
I don't think this man uprooted his entire family and moved to Kabul, Pakistan (which remember was under strict Taliban rule and very oppressive to women) for its job opportunities, clean air and general reputation.
and it's also been confirmed he had known contact w/ NINE KNOWN terrorists...
and you want me to take his word on how he was treated in Gitmo..sorry, gimme a break here, I'm not buying it.
Try again please, use a better, credible, proven example of innocent women and children being tortured at GITMO, which is what this thread is all about, remember?
Apparently in April of 2010, Gita Sahgal, the leader of Amnesty International CONDEMNED her organizations involvement with Moazzam Begg..and called it I quote, " a gross error of judgment."
I don't think this man uprooted his entire family and moved to Kabul, Pakistan (which remember was under strict Taliban rule and very oppressive to women) for its job opportunities, clean air and general reputation.
and it's also been confirmed he had known contact w/ NINE KNOWN terrorists...
and you want me to take his word on how he was treated in Gitmo..sorry, gimme a break here, I'm not buying it.
Try again please, use a better, credible, proven example of innocent women and children being tortured at GITMO, which is what this thread is all about, remember?
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patmac: My intention is
Easy to see
Local knowledge
Beats the the outsider
Often
Unless the knowledge
Rated on the reply is better
Not that it happens
Eventually the false and misleading will be found outAnd as I have already said all torture is wrong ...
As always JMO
Emmaline
No highjack at all read my post ALL on the topic.
Easy to see
Local knowledge
Beats the the outsider
Often
Unless the knowledge
Rated on the reply is better
Not that it happens
Eventually the false and misleading will be found outAnd as I have already said all torture is wrong ...
As always JMO
Emmaline
No highjack at all read my post ALL on the topic.
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lilmamma71: Interesting point for you to bring up "Moazzam Begg" Emmaline, I read some interesting info about him in particular.
Apparently in April of 2010, Gita Sahgal, the leader of Amnesty International CONDEMNED her organizations involvement with Moazzam Begg..and called it I quote, " a gross error of judgment."
I don't think this man uprooted his entire family and moved to Kabul, Pakistan (which remember was under strict Taliban rule and very oppressive to women) for its job opportunities, clean air and general reputation.
and it's also been confirmed he had known contact w/ NINE KNOWN terrorists...
and you want me to take his word on how he was treated in Gitmo..sorry, gimme a break here, I'm not buying it.
Try again please, use a better, credible, proven example of innocent women and children being tortured at GITMO, which is what this thread is all about, remember?
Apparently in April of 2010, Gita Sahgal, the leader of Amnesty International CONDEMNED her organizations involvement with Moazzam Begg..and called it I quote, " a gross error of judgment."
I don't think this man uprooted his entire family and moved to Kabul, Pakistan (which remember was under strict Taliban rule and very oppressive to women) for its job opportunities, clean air and general reputation.
and it's also been confirmed he had known contact w/ NINE KNOWN terrorists...
and you want me to take his word on how he was treated in Gitmo..sorry, gimme a break here, I'm not buying it.
Try again please, use a better, credible, proven example of innocent women and children being tortured at GITMO, which is what this thread is all about, remember?
this was supposedly at bagram, but she is now held at gitmo:
Binyam Mohamed has confirmed in an interview with Cageprisoners that he witnessed the detention of Pakistani neuroscientist, Dr Aafia Siddiqui
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I'll state again-Incarceration and the routine that goes with it- is Torture.. let alone a special place that is supposedly out of the jurisdiction of ... who/what...Human rights 
I laugh at the stupidity of supposed champions of Freedom...
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emmaline: this was supposedly at bagram, but she is now held at gitmo:
Binyam Mohamed has confirmed in an interview with Cageprisoners that he witnessed the detention of Pakistani neuroscientist, Dr Aafia Siddiqui
Binyam Mohamed has confirmed in an interview with Cageprisoners that he witnessed the detention of Pakistani neuroscientist, Dr Aafia Siddiqui
Do you care to provide a link?
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lilmamma71: Do you care to provide a link?
If she is held at Gitmo she should be, she's on the FBI's most wanted list for terrorism...again, throw the book at her, who cares if she's a woman or not..she's a conceived threat, apparently karma already took care of her, which is good enough for me.
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Emmaline,
I was a Second Lieutenant during Operation Desert Storm and the liberation of Kuwait. During that time before I was due to come back to America, I had suffered a stroke that now leaves me walking with a cane. While overseas before I came back, I had seen what the poisons did to the Kurds. What Saddam had done to his people. Things no woman should ever see.
We had to take off our gas masks to avoid scaring the children, putting our own lives at risk. Giving them candy and cookies from home and making friends with them, despite the risk we took. Sleeping in trenches we dug ourselves, getting little sleep at that. I'd made friends with another officer and an enlisted man, and the three of us were soon dubbed "The Three Musketeers".
One morning I didn't make it to roll call. I was found in my trench unable to move and speak by one of the Musketeers. I was carried to the makeshift hospital where it was determined that I'd had some sort of stroke. The Musketeers refused to leave my side until they were forced to. I was sent back to Germany first, then on to America and back home. I was medically retired and kept in touch with the Musketeers. Every holiday, summer, weddings, births, baptisms and the like, we were together. They helped me to recover my speech and to walk again. Greater friends have known no more than this.
One Musketeer went on to become a New York City firefighter, the other to work at the Pentagon.
On September 11, 2001, I was in New York while on a layover to visit my father's family in Ireland where I was born. I'd had several hours to wait until my flight so I took the opportunity to go see the world Trade Center and take some pictures for a friend who has an interest in architecture (my great-grandfather was an architect so I've always loved it as well). It was a nice day so I decided to walk the rest of the way. I heard a plane and looked up incredulously as it hit the first building. Incredulousness soon gave way to action. I carry a medical kit in my bag at all times and stopped to help what wounded I could. I managed to get a few stragglers rounded up to help. Mainly to help alleviate their shock and to put them to good use helping others. We did what we could.
The Musketeer showed up as one of the first responders. I saw him go into the building but was too far away to say anything. I'd had a feeling it was going to be the last time I ever saw him. Little did I know how right I was. It was only later when I'd learned that I had lost the other Musketeer at the Pentagon. Two of my best friends lost on the same day.
One left behind a baby, the other a little son. "Amazing Grace" as it's played on the bagpipes leaves a void that can never be filled.
If I ever get my hands on a terrorist, frontier justice would be a walk in the park compared to what I'd do to them.
Wanting a pound of flesh to grind an ax, just makes the ax very dull and sharpens it not at all. People from other nations lost loved ones that day and I stand with them in wanting those terrorists and those who seek to strike terror elsewhere to get their just desserts.
Please forgive me if I seem just a bit hurt. I still live with that pain daily. And every time someone wants a pound of flesh to grind their ax, little do they know that their ax grinds into my very soul and of those who lost loved ones that day.
I was a Second Lieutenant during Operation Desert Storm and the liberation of Kuwait. During that time before I was due to come back to America, I had suffered a stroke that now leaves me walking with a cane. While overseas before I came back, I had seen what the poisons did to the Kurds. What Saddam had done to his people. Things no woman should ever see.
We had to take off our gas masks to avoid scaring the children, putting our own lives at risk. Giving them candy and cookies from home and making friends with them, despite the risk we took. Sleeping in trenches we dug ourselves, getting little sleep at that. I'd made friends with another officer and an enlisted man, and the three of us were soon dubbed "The Three Musketeers".
One morning I didn't make it to roll call. I was found in my trench unable to move and speak by one of the Musketeers. I was carried to the makeshift hospital where it was determined that I'd had some sort of stroke. The Musketeers refused to leave my side until they were forced to. I was sent back to Germany first, then on to America and back home. I was medically retired and kept in touch with the Musketeers. Every holiday, summer, weddings, births, baptisms and the like, we were together. They helped me to recover my speech and to walk again. Greater friends have known no more than this.
One Musketeer went on to become a New York City firefighter, the other to work at the Pentagon.
On September 11, 2001, I was in New York while on a layover to visit my father's family in Ireland where I was born. I'd had several hours to wait until my flight so I took the opportunity to go see the world Trade Center and take some pictures for a friend who has an interest in architecture (my great-grandfather was an architect so I've always loved it as well). It was a nice day so I decided to walk the rest of the way. I heard a plane and looked up incredulously as it hit the first building. Incredulousness soon gave way to action. I carry a medical kit in my bag at all times and stopped to help what wounded I could. I managed to get a few stragglers rounded up to help. Mainly to help alleviate their shock and to put them to good use helping others. We did what we could.
The Musketeer showed up as one of the first responders. I saw him go into the building but was too far away to say anything. I'd had a feeling it was going to be the last time I ever saw him. Little did I know how right I was. It was only later when I'd learned that I had lost the other Musketeer at the Pentagon. Two of my best friends lost on the same day.
One left behind a baby, the other a little son. "Amazing Grace" as it's played on the bagpipes leaves a void that can never be filled.
If I ever get my hands on a terrorist, frontier justice would be a walk in the park compared to what I'd do to them.
Wanting a pound of flesh to grind an ax, just makes the ax very dull and sharpens it not at all. People from other nations lost loved ones that day and I stand with them in wanting those terrorists and those who seek to strike terror elsewhere to get their just desserts.
Please forgive me if I seem just a bit hurt. I still live with that pain daily. And every time someone wants a pound of flesh to grind their ax, little do they know that their ax grinds into my very soul and of those who lost loved ones that day.
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toxicaura: gardenjackle has spoken, no higher authority in the US...now there is no hope
You feeling neglected and ignored? Poor thing.
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ReaderOfSouls: Emmaline,
I was a Second Lieutenant during Operation Desert Storm and the liberation of Kuwait. During that time before I was due to come back to America, I had suffered a stroke that now leaves me walking with a cane. While overseas before I came back, I had seen what the poisons did to the Kurds. What Saddam had done to his people. Things no woman should ever see.
We had to take off our gas masks to avoid scaring the children, putting our own lives at risk. Giving them candy and cookies from home and making friends with them, despite the risk we took. Sleeping in trenches we dug ourselves, getting little sleep at that. I'd made friends with another officer and an enlisted man, and the three of us were soon dubbed "The Three Musketeers".
One morning I didn't make it to roll call. I was found in my trench unable to move and speak by one of the Musketeers. I was carried to the makeshift hospital where it was determined that I'd had some sort of stroke. The Musketeers refused to leave my side until they were forced to. I was sent back to Germany first, then on to America and back home. I was medically retired and kept in touch with the Musketeers. Every holiday, summer, weddings, births, baptisms and the like, we were together. They helped me to recover my speech and to walk again. Greater friends have known no more than this.
One Musketeer went on to become a New York City firefighter, the other to work at the Pentagon.
On September 11, 2001, I was in New York while on a layover to visit my father's family in Ireland where I was born. I'd had several hours to wait until my flight so I took the opportunity to go see the world Trade Center and take some pictures for a friend who has an interest in architecture (my great-grandfather was an architect so I've always loved it as well). It was a nice day so I decided to walk the rest of the way. I heard a plane and looked up incredulously as it hit the first building. Incredulousness soon gave way to action. I carry a medical kit in my bag at all times and stopped to help what wounded I could. I managed to get a few stragglers rounded up to help. Mainly to help alleviate their shock and to put them to good use helping others. We did what we could.
The Musketeer showed up as one of the first responders. I saw him go into the building but was too far away to say anything. I'd had a feeling it was going to be the last time I ever saw him. Little did I know how right I was. It was only later when I'd learned that I had lost the other Musketeer at the Pentagon. Two of my best friends lost on the same day.
One left behind a baby, the other a little son. "Amazing Grace" as it's played on the bagpipes leaves a void that can never be filled.
If I ever get my hands on a terrorist, frontier justice would be a walk in the park compared to what I'd do to them.
Wanting a pound of flesh to grind an ax, just makes the ax very dull and sharpens it not at all. People from other nations lost loved ones that day and I stand with them in wanting those terrorists and those who seek to strike terror elsewhere to get their just desserts.
Please forgive me if I seem just a bit hurt. I still live with that pain daily. And every time someone wants a pound of flesh to grind their ax, little do they know that their ax grinds into my very soul and of those who lost loved ones that day.
I was a Second Lieutenant during Operation Desert Storm and the liberation of Kuwait. During that time before I was due to come back to America, I had suffered a stroke that now leaves me walking with a cane. While overseas before I came back, I had seen what the poisons did to the Kurds. What Saddam had done to his people. Things no woman should ever see.
We had to take off our gas masks to avoid scaring the children, putting our own lives at risk. Giving them candy and cookies from home and making friends with them, despite the risk we took. Sleeping in trenches we dug ourselves, getting little sleep at that. I'd made friends with another officer and an enlisted man, and the three of us were soon dubbed "The Three Musketeers".
One morning I didn't make it to roll call. I was found in my trench unable to move and speak by one of the Musketeers. I was carried to the makeshift hospital where it was determined that I'd had some sort of stroke. The Musketeers refused to leave my side until they were forced to. I was sent back to Germany first, then on to America and back home. I was medically retired and kept in touch with the Musketeers. Every holiday, summer, weddings, births, baptisms and the like, we were together. They helped me to recover my speech and to walk again. Greater friends have known no more than this.
One Musketeer went on to become a New York City firefighter, the other to work at the Pentagon.
On September 11, 2001, I was in New York while on a layover to visit my father's family in Ireland where I was born. I'd had several hours to wait until my flight so I took the opportunity to go see the world Trade Center and take some pictures for a friend who has an interest in architecture (my great-grandfather was an architect so I've always loved it as well). It was a nice day so I decided to walk the rest of the way. I heard a plane and looked up incredulously as it hit the first building. Incredulousness soon gave way to action. I carry a medical kit in my bag at all times and stopped to help what wounded I could. I managed to get a few stragglers rounded up to help. Mainly to help alleviate their shock and to put them to good use helping others. We did what we could.
The Musketeer showed up as one of the first responders. I saw him go into the building but was too far away to say anything. I'd had a feeling it was going to be the last time I ever saw him. Little did I know how right I was. It was only later when I'd learned that I had lost the other Musketeer at the Pentagon. Two of my best friends lost on the same day.
One left behind a baby, the other a little son. "Amazing Grace" as it's played on the bagpipes leaves a void that can never be filled.
If I ever get my hands on a terrorist, frontier justice would be a walk in the park compared to what I'd do to them.
Wanting a pound of flesh to grind an ax, just makes the ax very dull and sharpens it not at all. People from other nations lost loved ones that day and I stand with them in wanting those terrorists and those who seek to strike terror elsewhere to get their just desserts.
Please forgive me if I seem just a bit hurt. I still live with that pain daily. And every time someone wants a pound of flesh to grind their ax, little do they know that their ax grinds into my very soul and of those who lost loved ones that day.
i am very sorry for your pain
and of course i sense and emapthise with your outrage.
the only issue i have is why sign these torture conventions when we are only going to break them?
and what of the innocents caught up in this?
why hold the high moral ground at other countries, and then do the very same we condemn.
call a spade a spade and dont gloss it over so we look all righteous
i think most americans can handle the truth
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ReaderOfSouls: Emmaline,
I was a Second Lieutenant during Operation Desert Storm and the liberation of Kuwait. During that time before I was due to come back to America, I had suffered a stroke that now leaves me walking with a cane. While overseas before I came back, I had seen what the poisons did to the Kurds. What Saddam had done to his people. Things no woman should ever see.
We had to take off our gas masks to avoid scaring the children, putting our own lives at risk. Giving them candy and cookies from home and making friends with them, despite the risk we took. Sleeping in trenches we dug ourselves, getting little sleep at that. I'd made friends with another officer and an enlisted man, and the three of us were soon dubbed "The Three Musketeers".
One morning I didn't make it to roll call. I was found in my trench unable to move and speak by one of the Musketeers. I was carried to the makeshift hospital where it was determined that I'd had some sort of stroke. The Musketeers refused to leave my side until they were forced to. I was sent back to Germany first, then on to America and back home. I was medically retired and kept in touch with the Musketeers. Every holiday, summer, weddings, births, baptisms and the like, we were together. They helped me to recover my speech and to walk again. Greater friends have known no more than this.
One Musketeer went on to become a New York City firefighter, the other to work at the Pentagon.
On September 11, 2001, I was in New York while on a layover to visit my father's family in Ireland where I was born. I'd had several hours to wait until my flight so I took the opportunity to go see the world Trade Center and take some pictures for a friend who has an interest in architecture (my great-grandfather was an architect so I've always loved it as well). It was a nice day so I decided to walk the rest of the way. I heard a plane and looked up incredulously as it hit the first building. Incredulousness soon gave way to action. I carry a medical kit in my bag at all times and stopped to help what wounded I could. I managed to get a few stragglers rounded up to help. Mainly to help alleviate their shock and to put them to good use helping others. We did what we could.
The Musketeer showed up as one of the first responders. I saw him go into the building but was too far away to say anything. I'd had a feeling it was going to be the last time I ever saw him. Little did I know how right I was. It was only later when I'd learned that I had lost the other Musketeer at the Pentagon. Two of my best friends lost on the same day.
One left behind a baby, the other a little son. "Amazing Grace" as it's played on the bagpipes leaves a void that can never be filled.
If I ever get my hands on a terrorist, frontier justice would be a walk in the park compared to what I'd do to them.
Wanting a pound of flesh to grind an ax, just makes the ax very dull and sharpens it not at all. People from other nations lost loved ones that day and I stand with them in wanting those terrorists and those who seek to strike terror elsewhere to get their just desserts.
Please forgive me if I seem just a bit hurt. I still live with that pain daily. And every time someone wants a pound of flesh to grind their ax, little do they know that their ax grinds into my very soul and of those who lost loved ones that day.
I was a Second Lieutenant during Operation Desert Storm and the liberation of Kuwait. During that time before I was due to come back to America, I had suffered a stroke that now leaves me walking with a cane. While overseas before I came back, I had seen what the poisons did to the Kurds. What Saddam had done to his people. Things no woman should ever see.
We had to take off our gas masks to avoid scaring the children, putting our own lives at risk. Giving them candy and cookies from home and making friends with them, despite the risk we took. Sleeping in trenches we dug ourselves, getting little sleep at that. I'd made friends with another officer and an enlisted man, and the three of us were soon dubbed "The Three Musketeers".
One morning I didn't make it to roll call. I was found in my trench unable to move and speak by one of the Musketeers. I was carried to the makeshift hospital where it was determined that I'd had some sort of stroke. The Musketeers refused to leave my side until they were forced to. I was sent back to Germany first, then on to America and back home. I was medically retired and kept in touch with the Musketeers. Every holiday, summer, weddings, births, baptisms and the like, we were together. They helped me to recover my speech and to walk again. Greater friends have known no more than this.
One Musketeer went on to become a New York City firefighter, the other to work at the Pentagon.
On September 11, 2001, I was in New York while on a layover to visit my father's family in Ireland where I was born. I'd had several hours to wait until my flight so I took the opportunity to go see the world Trade Center and take some pictures for a friend who has an interest in architecture (my great-grandfather was an architect so I've always loved it as well). It was a nice day so I decided to walk the rest of the way. I heard a plane and looked up incredulously as it hit the first building. Incredulousness soon gave way to action. I carry a medical kit in my bag at all times and stopped to help what wounded I could. I managed to get a few stragglers rounded up to help. Mainly to help alleviate their shock and to put them to good use helping others. We did what we could.
The Musketeer showed up as one of the first responders. I saw him go into the building but was too far away to say anything. I'd had a feeling it was going to be the last time I ever saw him. Little did I know how right I was. It was only later when I'd learned that I had lost the other Musketeer at the Pentagon. Two of my best friends lost on the same day.
One left behind a baby, the other a little son. "Amazing Grace" as it's played on the bagpipes leaves a void that can never be filled.
If I ever get my hands on a terrorist, frontier justice would be a walk in the park compared to what I'd do to them.
Wanting a pound of flesh to grind an ax, just makes the ax very dull and sharpens it not at all. People from other nations lost loved ones that day and I stand with them in wanting those terrorists and those who seek to strike terror elsewhere to get their just desserts.
Please forgive me if I seem just a bit hurt. I still live with that pain daily. And every time someone wants a pound of flesh to grind their ax, little do they know that their ax grinds into my very soul and of those who lost loved ones that day.
So sorry for your loss and from the bottom of my heart---I thank you and am forever in your debt for your fine and outstanding service to our country! I salute you and everyone that serves to bravely and selflessly defend their country!
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lilmamma71: If she is held at Gitmo she should be, she's on the FBI's most wanted list for terrorism...again, throw the book at her, who cares if she's a woman or not..she's a conceived threat, apparently karma already took care of her, which is good enough for me.
she has not been charged for any of the allegations apart from when she 'allegedly fired' at the servicemen
Count Three
Armed Assault of United States Officers and Employees in the same manner.
Count Four
Discharge of A Firearm During (a) Crime of Violence as described above.
Count Five
Assault of United States Officers and Employees as described above.
Count Six
(Further charges of) Assault of United States Officers and Employees as described above.
Count Seven
(More charges of) Assault of United States Officers and Employees as described above.
so if they tortured her, to get the evidence, where is the evidence to back up the claims of being a terrorist, and why isnt she charged with any terrorism related offences?
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CuspofMagic: I'll state again-Incarceration and the routine that goes with it- is Torture.. let alone a special place that is supposedly out of the jurisdiction of ... who/what...Human rights I laugh at the stupidity of supposed champions of Freedom...
i despair at the hypocrisy cuspy
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Colonel Wilkerson, a long-time critic of the Bush Administration’s approach to counter-terrorism and the war in Iraq, claimed that the majority of detainees — children as young as 12 and men as old as 93, he said — never saw a US soldier when they were captured. He said that many were turned over by Afghans and Pakistanis for up to $5,000. Little or no evidence was produced as to why they had been taken.
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emmaline: she has not been charged for any of the allegations apart from when she 'allegedly fired' at the servicemen
Count Three
Armed Assault of United States Officers and Employees in the same manner.
Count Four
Discharge of A Firearm During (a) Crime of Violence as described above.
Count Five
Assault of United States Officers and Employees as described above.
Count Six
(Further charges of) Assault of United States Officers and Employees as described above.
Count Seven
(More charges of) Assault of United States Officers and Employees as described above.
so if they tortured her, to get the evidence, where is the evidence to back up the claims of being a terrorist, and why isnt she charged with any terrorism related offences?
Count Three
Armed Assault of United States Officers and Employees in the same manner.
Count Four
Discharge of A Firearm During (a) Crime of Violence as described above.
Count Five
Assault of United States Officers and Employees as described above.
Count Six
(Further charges of) Assault of United States Officers and Employees as described above.
Count Seven
(More charges of) Assault of United States Officers and Employees as described above.
so if they tortured her, to get the evidence, where is the evidence to back up the claims of being a terrorist, and why isnt she charged with any terrorism related offences?
She has not been charged and then you list how many charges Shooting someone usually counts as a terrorist act in my book
But then again what do I know I only spent 22 years in the Forces. Including GW1 ...Which was not fun
And I still disagree with torture
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According to FBI reports prepared shortly after July 18, 2008, Siddiqui repeatedly denied shooting anyone, and later told a U.S. special agent at the Craig Hospital on or about August 1 that "'spewing bullets at soldiers is bad', but to her surprise 'you' have still taken care of me and treated me well." On August 11, after her counsel maintained that Siddiqui had not seen a doctor since arriving in the U.S. the previous week, U.S. magistrate judge Henry B. Pitman ordered that she be examined by a medical doctor within 24 hours. Prosecutors maintained that Siddiqui had been provided with adequate medical care since her detention in Afghanistan, though at the hearing they were unable to confirm whether she had been seen in New York by a doctor or by a paramedic. The judge postponed her bail hearing until September 3. An examination by a doctor the following day found no visible signs of infection; she also received a CAT scan.
Siddiqui was provided care for her wound while incarcerated in the U.S.[33] In September 2008, a prosecutor reported to the court that Siddiqui had refused to be examined by a female doctor, despite the doctor's extensive efforts. On September 9, 2008, she underwent a forced medical exam. In November 2008, forensic psychologist Dr. Leslie Powers reported that Siddiqui had been "reluctant to allow medical staff to treat her". Her last medical exam had indicated her external wounds no longer required medical dressing, and were healing well. A psychiatrist employed by the prosecutor to examine Siddiqui's competence to stand trial, Gregory B. Saathoff M.D., noted in a March 2009 report that Siddiqui frequently verbally and physically refused to allow the medical staff to check her vital signs and weight, attempted to refuse medical care once it was apparent that her wound had largely healed, and refused to take antibiotics. At the same time, Siddiqui claimed to her brother that when she needed medical treatment she did not get it, which Saathoff said he found no support for in his review of documents and interviews with medical and security personnel, nor in his interviews with Siddiqui.
Siddiqui's trial was subject to delays, the longest being six months in order to perform psychiatric evaluations. She had been given routine mental health check-ups ten times in August and six times in September.
She underwent three sets of psychological assessments before trial. Her first psychiatric evaluation diagnosed her with depressive psychosis, and her second evaluation, ordered by the court, revealed chronic depression. Leslie Powers initially determined Siddiqui mentally unfit to stand trial. After reviewing portions of FBI reports, however, she told the pre-trial judge she believed Siddiqui was faking mental illness.
In a third set of psychological assessments, more detailed than the previous two, three of four psychiatrists concluded that she was"malingering" (faking her symptoms of mental illness). One suggested that this was to prevent criminal prosecution, and to improve her chances of being returned to Pakistan. In April 2009, Manhattan federal judge Richard Berman held that she "may have some mental health issues" but was competent to stand trial.
I've highlight my rebuttal to your previous posts w/ bold, please show me something credible, or we could go back and forth all night w/ copy/paste and get nowhere...
this "poor woman" as you put it was found wandering the streets w/ plans on how to build bombs, creating explosives, radiological agents, Ebola...and other stuff.
Perfect example of a KNOWN terrorist coming into my country, getting educated and then using the information to commit CRIMES against the AMERICAN PEOPLE..I say whatever happens to her is nothing less than what she truly deserves.
Siddiqui was provided care for her wound while incarcerated in the U.S.[33] In September 2008, a prosecutor reported to the court that Siddiqui had refused to be examined by a female doctor, despite the doctor's extensive efforts. On September 9, 2008, she underwent a forced medical exam. In November 2008, forensic psychologist Dr. Leslie Powers reported that Siddiqui had been "reluctant to allow medical staff to treat her". Her last medical exam had indicated her external wounds no longer required medical dressing, and were healing well. A psychiatrist employed by the prosecutor to examine Siddiqui's competence to stand trial, Gregory B. Saathoff M.D., noted in a March 2009 report that Siddiqui frequently verbally and physically refused to allow the medical staff to check her vital signs and weight, attempted to refuse medical care once it was apparent that her wound had largely healed, and refused to take antibiotics. At the same time, Siddiqui claimed to her brother that when she needed medical treatment she did not get it, which Saathoff said he found no support for in his review of documents and interviews with medical and security personnel, nor in his interviews with Siddiqui.
Siddiqui's trial was subject to delays, the longest being six months in order to perform psychiatric evaluations. She had been given routine mental health check-ups ten times in August and six times in September.
She underwent three sets of psychological assessments before trial. Her first psychiatric evaluation diagnosed her with depressive psychosis, and her second evaluation, ordered by the court, revealed chronic depression. Leslie Powers initially determined Siddiqui mentally unfit to stand trial. After reviewing portions of FBI reports, however, she told the pre-trial judge she believed Siddiqui was faking mental illness.
In a third set of psychological assessments, more detailed than the previous two, three of four psychiatrists concluded that she was"malingering" (faking her symptoms of mental illness). One suggested that this was to prevent criminal prosecution, and to improve her chances of being returned to Pakistan. In April 2009, Manhattan federal judge Richard Berman held that she "may have some mental health issues" but was competent to stand trial.
I've highlight my rebuttal to your previous posts w/ bold, please show me something credible, or we could go back and forth all night w/ copy/paste and get nowhere...
this "poor woman" as you put it was found wandering the streets w/ plans on how to build bombs, creating explosives, radiological agents, Ebola...and other stuff.
Perfect example of a KNOWN terrorist coming into my country, getting educated and then using the information to commit CRIMES against the AMERICAN PEOPLE..I say whatever happens to her is nothing less than what she truly deserves.
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emmaline: i am very sorry for your pain
and of course i sense and emapthise with your outrage.
the only issue i have is why sign these torture conventions when we are only going to break them?
and what of the innocents caught up in this?
why hold the high moral ground at other countries, and then do the very same we condemn.
call a spade a spade and dont gloss it over so we look all righteous
i think most americans can handle the truth
and of course i sense and emapthise with your outrage.
the only issue i have is why sign these torture conventions when we are only going to break them?
and what of the innocents caught up in this?
why hold the high moral ground at other countries, and then do the very same we condemn.
call a spade a spade and dont gloss it over so we look all righteous
i think most americans can handle the truth
I think most Americans can handle the truth, too. And most already know it. Abu Ghraib was disgusting and a handful of people that completely ignored what they were taught in boot camp and AIT gave our military and country a black eye and they were punished for it. The culprits served hard time. Americans can handle that.
Innocent civilians died during the war. Most were killed by IED's and insurgents. Some were killed by US attacks and the US took extreme measures to avoid that happening. People are going to die during war. Americans can handle that, too.
Based on legal opinion from the justice department, three high value terrorists were waterboarded and the CIA states that this unequivocally saved lives. Everyone knows that and everyone has handled that. Some disapprove and that's their right. Make the case it shouldn't happen again. I'm OK with that. I might even side with you on that. But when it's clear that someone cares more about politics than the issues they're using as political weapons, attempts to claim "the moral high ground" are utterly contemptuous.
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patmac: She has not been charged and then you list how many charges Shooting someone usually counts as a terrorist act in my book
But then again what do I know I only spent 22 years in the Forces. Including GW1 ...Which was not fun
And I still disagree with torture
But then again what do I know I only spent 22 years in the Forces. Including GW1 ...Which was not fun
And I still disagree with torture
did you read the circumstances surrounding her charges?
she is not facing terrorism charges.
Siddiqui was shot and severely wounded at the police compound the following day when she grabbed the unattended rifle of one of her American interrogators and began shooting at them
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emmaline: nice to know you know exactly what i am thinking.
a tad arrogant. so i shall explain myself.
i want to see accountability for those who break laws that we signed up to.
and if not, dont condemn others for torture.
and just admit 'hey, we are not going to uphold these laws, its a free for all, and all bets are off.'
a tad arrogant. so i shall explain myself.
i want to see accountability for those who break laws that we signed up to.
and if not, dont condemn others for torture.
and just admit 'hey, we are not going to uphold these laws, its a free for all, and all bets are off.'
Ah ya gotta laugh
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lilmamma71: According to FBI reports prepared shortly after July 18, 2008, Siddiqui repeatedly denied shooting anyone, and later told a U.S. special agent at the Craig Hospital on or about August 1 that "'spewing bullets at soldiers is bad', but to her surprise 'you' have still taken care of me and treated me well." On August 11, after her counsel maintained that Siddiqui had not seen a doctor since arriving in the U.S. the previous week, U.S. magistrate judge Henry B. Pitman ordered that she be examined by a medical doctor within 24 hours. Prosecutors maintained that Siddiqui had been provided with adequate medical care since her detention in Afghanistan, though at the hearing they were unable to confirm whether she had been seen in New York by a doctor or by a paramedic. The judge postponed her bail hearing until September 3. An examination by a doctor the following day found no visible signs of infection; she also received a CAT scan.
Siddiqui was provided care for her wound while incarcerated in the U.S. In September 2008, a prosecutor reported to the court that Siddiqui had refused to be examined by a female doctor, despite the doctor's extensive efforts. On September 9, 2008, she underwent a forced medical exam. In November 2008, forensic psychologist Dr. Leslie Powers reported that Siddiqui had been "reluctant to allow medical staff to treat her". Her last medical exam had indicated her external wounds no longer required medical dressing, and were healing well. A psychiatrist employed by the prosecutor to examine Siddiqui's competence to stand trial, Gregory B. Saathoff M.D., noted in a March 2009 report that Siddiqui frequently verbally and physically refused to allow the medical staff to check her vital signs and weight, attempted to refuse medical care once it was apparent that her wound had largely healed, and refused to take antibiotics. At the same time, Siddiqui claimed to her brother that when she needed medical treatment she did not get it, which Saathoff said he found no support for in his review of documents and interviews with medical and security personnel, nor in his interviews with Siddiqui.
Siddiqui's trial was subject to delays, the longest being six months in order to perform psychiatric evaluations. She had been given routine mental health check-ups ten times in August and six times in September.
She underwent three sets of psychological assessments before trial. Her first psychiatric evaluation diagnosed her with depressive psychosis, and her second evaluation, ordered by the court, revealed chronic depression. Leslie Powers initially determined Siddiqui mentally unfit to stand trial. After reviewing portions of FBI reports, however, she told the pre-trial judge she believed Siddiqui was faking mental illness.
In a third set of psychological assessments, more detailed than the previous two, three of four psychiatrists concluded that she was"malingering" (faking her symptoms of mental illness). One suggested that this was to prevent criminal prosecution, and to improve her chances of being returned to Pakistan. In April 2009, Manhattan federal judge Richard Berman held that she "may have some mental health issues" but was competent to stand trial.I've highlight my rebuttal to your previous posts w/ bold, please show me something credible, or we could go back and forth all night w/ copy/paste and get nowhere...
this "poor woman" as you put it was found wandering the streets w/ plans on how to build bombs, creating explosives, radiological agents, Ebola...and other stuff.
Perfect example of a KNOWN terrorist coming into my country, getting educated and then using the information to commit CRIMES against the AMERICAN PEOPLE..I say whatever happens to her is nothing less than what she truly deserves.
Siddiqui was provided care for her wound while incarcerated in the U.S. In September 2008, a prosecutor reported to the court that Siddiqui had refused to be examined by a female doctor, despite the doctor's extensive efforts. On September 9, 2008, she underwent a forced medical exam. In November 2008, forensic psychologist Dr. Leslie Powers reported that Siddiqui had been "reluctant to allow medical staff to treat her". Her last medical exam had indicated her external wounds no longer required medical dressing, and were healing well. A psychiatrist employed by the prosecutor to examine Siddiqui's competence to stand trial, Gregory B. Saathoff M.D., noted in a March 2009 report that Siddiqui frequently verbally and physically refused to allow the medical staff to check her vital signs and weight, attempted to refuse medical care once it was apparent that her wound had largely healed, and refused to take antibiotics. At the same time, Siddiqui claimed to her brother that when she needed medical treatment she did not get it, which Saathoff said he found no support for in his review of documents and interviews with medical and security personnel, nor in his interviews with Siddiqui.
Siddiqui's trial was subject to delays, the longest being six months in order to perform psychiatric evaluations. She had been given routine mental health check-ups ten times in August and six times in September.
She underwent three sets of psychological assessments before trial. Her first psychiatric evaluation diagnosed her with depressive psychosis, and her second evaluation, ordered by the court, revealed chronic depression. Leslie Powers initially determined Siddiqui mentally unfit to stand trial. After reviewing portions of FBI reports, however, she told the pre-trial judge she believed Siddiqui was faking mental illness.
In a third set of psychological assessments, more detailed than the previous two, three of four psychiatrists concluded that she was"malingering" (faking her symptoms of mental illness). One suggested that this was to prevent criminal prosecution, and to improve her chances of being returned to Pakistan. In April 2009, Manhattan federal judge Richard Berman held that she "may have some mental health issues" but was competent to stand trial.I've highlight my rebuttal to your previous posts w/ bold, please show me something credible, or we could go back and forth all night w/ copy/paste and get nowhere...
this "poor woman" as you put it was found wandering the streets w/ plans on how to build bombs, creating explosives, radiological agents, Ebola...and other stuff.
Perfect example of a KNOWN terrorist coming into my country, getting educated and then using the information to commit CRIMES against the AMERICAN PEOPLE..I say whatever happens to her is nothing less than what she truly deserves.
then why isnt she charged on any terrorism related offences?
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