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Paldi5: There is no such thing as an Israel constitution? Someone posted it a while back.
Then it "is in the public domain. Go find it for yourself."
Here is what wiki has to say ....
"The State of Israel failed to adopt a formal constitution. While the deadline stated in the declaration of independence proved unrealistic in light of the war which went on between the new state and its neighboring countries, general elections were arranged on 25 January 1949, in order to elect the Constituent Assembly which would approve the new state's constitution. The Constituent Assembly convened on 16 February 1949. It held several discussions about the constitution which soon reached a dead end.
Several arguments were proposed against the adoption of a formal constitution. The Religious Jews at the time opposed the idea of their nation having a document which the government would regard as nominally "higher" in authority than religious texts such as the Tanakh, Talmud, and Shulkhan Arukh."
RA
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OK I confused Constitution with Declaration of Independence. My bad.
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Paldi5: Glad you noticed Jude. I thought it was a nice story and I think it should be remembered.
Now back to the topic? Or would you rather we try to have it locked up?
Glad we agree on the ASAP ASAR thing. You weren't clear in your first post.
Now back to the topic? Or would you rather we try to have it locked up?
Glad we agree on the ASAP ASAR thing. You weren't clear in your first post.
Oh I was perfectly clear Fred A S A P is what I said and you disagreed.....And check all your Jude posts, folk see them Fred and I for one saw no reference in 99% of them apart from one your wee story.
Like I said Snide and sneaky And I have told you the Syrians like the rest of the Arab world are fed up with dictators and the way they are being treated and the want a VOTE....
So as soon as possible a vote they should get.
Candidates should be found Checks & counterchecks put in place then an election....My point for ages FRED.
And sad to say you have been shown to deny the holocaust showing your hand ......Nice Fred....
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Basic Laws of IsraelFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Basic Laws of Israel are a key component of Israel's constitutional law.
These laws deal with the formation and role of the principal state's institutions, and the relations between the state's authorities. Some of them also protect civil rights. While these laws were originally meant to be draft chapters of a future Israeli constitution, they are already used on a daily basis by the courts as a formal constitution.
Israel currently functions according to an uncodified constitution consisting of both material constitutional law, based upon cases and precedents, and the provisions of these formal statutes. As of today, the Basic Laws do not cover all constitutional issues, and there is no deadline set to the completion of the process of merging them into one comprehensive constitution. There is no clear rule determining the precedence of Basic Rules over regular legislation, and in many cases this issue is left to the interpretation of the jurisdictional system.
Background
The State of Israel was supposed to adopt a formal written constitution a few months after its Declaration of Independence on 14 May 1948.
The declaration itself states that a constitution should be formulated and adopted no later than 1 October 1948. Adoption of a democratic constitution was also a demand of the General Assembly Resolution 181, which proposed the establishment of a "Jewish state".
The State of Israel failed to adopt a formal constitution. While the deadline stated in the declaration of independence proved unrealistic in light of the war which went on between the new state and its neighboring countries, general elections were arranged on 25 January 1949, in order to elect the Constituent Assembly which would approve the new state's constitution. The Constituent Assembly convened on 16 February 1949. It held several discussions about the constitution which soon reached a dead end.
Several arguments were proposed against the adoption of a formal constitution. The Religious Jews at the time opposed the idea of their nation having a document which the government would regard as nominally "higher" in authority than religious texts such as the Tanakh, Talmud, and Shulkhan Arukh.
The Harari Decision
In 1949, the first Knesset came to what was called the Harari Decision. Rather than draft a full constitution immediately, they would postpone the work, charging the Knesset's Constitution, Law, and Justice Committee with drafting the document piecemeal. Each chapter would be called a Basic Law, and when all had been written they would be compiled into a complete constitution.
In 1998, Aharon Barak, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Israel declared a "constitutional revolution" and attached constitutional ascendancy to the Basic Laws of Israel. The basic laws are various pieces of legislation from the Knesset that outline the nation's political structure.
Between 1958 and 1988 the Knesset passed nine Basic Laws, all of which pertained to the institutions of state. In 1992, it passed the first two Basic Laws which related to rights and basis of the Supreme Court's recently declared powers of judicial review. These are Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty, and Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation. These were passed by votes of 32–21 and 23–0, respectively.
The Basic Laws of Israel are a key component of Israel's constitutional law.
These laws deal with the formation and role of the principal state's institutions, and the relations between the state's authorities. Some of them also protect civil rights. While these laws were originally meant to be draft chapters of a future Israeli constitution, they are already used on a daily basis by the courts as a formal constitution.
Israel currently functions according to an uncodified constitution consisting of both material constitutional law, based upon cases and precedents, and the provisions of these formal statutes. As of today, the Basic Laws do not cover all constitutional issues, and there is no deadline set to the completion of the process of merging them into one comprehensive constitution. There is no clear rule determining the precedence of Basic Rules over regular legislation, and in many cases this issue is left to the interpretation of the jurisdictional system.
Background
The State of Israel was supposed to adopt a formal written constitution a few months after its Declaration of Independence on 14 May 1948.
The declaration itself states that a constitution should be formulated and adopted no later than 1 October 1948. Adoption of a democratic constitution was also a demand of the General Assembly Resolution 181, which proposed the establishment of a "Jewish state".
The State of Israel failed to adopt a formal constitution. While the deadline stated in the declaration of independence proved unrealistic in light of the war which went on between the new state and its neighboring countries, general elections were arranged on 25 January 1949, in order to elect the Constituent Assembly which would approve the new state's constitution. The Constituent Assembly convened on 16 February 1949. It held several discussions about the constitution which soon reached a dead end.
Several arguments were proposed against the adoption of a formal constitution. The Religious Jews at the time opposed the idea of their nation having a document which the government would regard as nominally "higher" in authority than religious texts such as the Tanakh, Talmud, and Shulkhan Arukh.
The Harari Decision
In 1949, the first Knesset came to what was called the Harari Decision. Rather than draft a full constitution immediately, they would postpone the work, charging the Knesset's Constitution, Law, and Justice Committee with drafting the document piecemeal. Each chapter would be called a Basic Law, and when all had been written they would be compiled into a complete constitution.
In 1998, Aharon Barak, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Israel declared a "constitutional revolution" and attached constitutional ascendancy to the Basic Laws of Israel. The basic laws are various pieces of legislation from the Knesset that outline the nation's political structure.
Between 1958 and 1988 the Knesset passed nine Basic Laws, all of which pertained to the institutions of state. In 1992, it passed the first two Basic Laws which related to rights and basis of the Supreme Court's recently declared powers of judicial review. These are Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty, and Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation. These were passed by votes of 32–21 and 23–0, respectively.
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patmac: Oh I was perfectly clear Fred A S A P is what I said and you disagreed.....And check all your Jude posts, folk see them Fred and I for one saw no reference in 99% of them apart from one your wee story.
The Jude story was over 5000 characters long and I posted it several time on different threads. I see no reason to post it every time I refer to it.
Rember Jude
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Paldi5: OK I confused Constitution with Declaration of Independence. My bad.
No Paldi, you didn't confuse it as you thought it was a constitution. The declaration of independence has been brought up various times by myself and only describes what the idea of the nation is about. It guarantees no rights to anybody.
Paldi5: Yes Pat - a secular free state of Jews and Muslims is Israel today, it's mandated in the constitution and when things are quiet actually coexists despite discrimination by some parts of society.
"Between 1958 and 1988 the Knesset passed nine Basic Laws, all of which pertained to the institutions of state. In 1992, it passed the first two Basic Laws which related to rights and basis of the Supreme Court's recently declared powers of judicial review. These are Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty, and Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation. These were passed by votes of 32–21 and 23–0, respectively."
None are in the DOI or the non existent Constitution.
RA
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Albertaghost: Then it "is in the public domain. Go find it for yourself."
Here is what wiki has to say ....
"The State of Israel failed to adopt a formal constitution. While the deadline stated in the declaration of independence proved unrealistic in light of the war which went on between the new state and its neighboring countries, general elections were arranged on 25 January 1949, in order to elect the Constituent Assembly which would approve the new state's constitution. The Constituent Assembly convened on 16 February 1949. It held several discussions about the constitution which soon reached a dead end.
Several arguments were proposed against the adoption of a formal constitution. The Religious Jews at the time opposed the idea of their nation having a document which the government would regard as nominally "higher" in authority than religious texts such as the Tanakh, Talmud, and Shulkhan Arukh."
RA
Here is what wiki has to say ....
"The State of Israel failed to adopt a formal constitution. While the deadline stated in the declaration of independence proved unrealistic in light of the war which went on between the new state and its neighboring countries, general elections were arranged on 25 January 1949, in order to elect the Constituent Assembly which would approve the new state's constitution. The Constituent Assembly convened on 16 February 1949. It held several discussions about the constitution which soon reached a dead end.
Several arguments were proposed against the adoption of a formal constitution. The Religious Jews at the time opposed the idea of their nation having a document which the government would regard as nominally "higher" in authority than religious texts such as the Tanakh, Talmud, and Shulkhan Arukh."
RA
Good, we agree on this.
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Paldi5: The Jude story was over 5000 characters long and I posted it several time on different threads. I see no reason to post it every time I refer to it.
Rember Jude
Rember Jude
Yes I remember that one. Funny, it wasn't part of your shtick when you were joo bashing on the Jewish world takeover threads with the rest of your Jew hating pack.
And also, if I remember right it used to go like this, with the comma;
"remember, jude"
remember, adolf.
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Rights protected by Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty
The rights protected by this law are detailed in several clauses:
Section 1: The purpose of this Basic Law is to protect human dignity and liberty, in order to establish in a Basic Law tile values of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state. (source )
Section 2: There shall be no violation of the life, body or dignity of any person as such.
Section 3: There shall be no violation of the property of a person.
Section 4: All persons are entitled to protection of their life, body and dignity.
Section 5: There shall be no deprivation or restriction of the liberty of a person by imprisonment, arrest, extradition or otherwise.
Section 6:
(a) All persons are free to leave Israel.
(b) Every Israeli national has the right of entry into Israel from abroad.
Section 7:
(a) All persons have the right to privacy and to intimacy.
(b) There shall be no entry into the private premises of a person who has not consented thereto.
(c) No search shall be conducted on the private premises of a person, nor in the body or personal effects.
(d) There shall be no violation of the confidentiality of conversation, or of the writings or records of a person.
However, several cardinal human rights are missing from this document, such as the Right for Equality, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Protest, and others.
These rights were given to the residents of Israel by general principles which existed before this Basic Law. Although these rights were not included in the law, some jurists, such as former President of The Supreme Court of Israel Aharon Barak, see these rights are directly derived from the "right to dignity".
The rights protected by this law are detailed in several clauses:
Section 1: The purpose of this Basic Law is to protect human dignity and liberty, in order to establish in a Basic Law tile values of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state. (source )
Section 2: There shall be no violation of the life, body or dignity of any person as such.
Section 3: There shall be no violation of the property of a person.
Section 4: All persons are entitled to protection of their life, body and dignity.
Section 5: There shall be no deprivation or restriction of the liberty of a person by imprisonment, arrest, extradition or otherwise.
Section 6:
(a) All persons are free to leave Israel.
(b) Every Israeli national has the right of entry into Israel from abroad.
Section 7:
(a) All persons have the right to privacy and to intimacy.
(b) There shall be no entry into the private premises of a person who has not consented thereto.
(c) No search shall be conducted on the private premises of a person, nor in the body or personal effects.
(d) There shall be no violation of the confidentiality of conversation, or of the writings or records of a person.
However, several cardinal human rights are missing from this document, such as the Right for Equality, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Protest, and others.
These rights were given to the residents of Israel by general principles which existed before this Basic Law. Although these rights were not included in the law, some jurists, such as former President of The Supreme Court of Israel Aharon Barak, see these rights are directly derived from the "right to dignity".
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Albertaghost: Yes I remember that one. Funny, it wasn't part of your shtick when you were joo bashing on the Jewish world takeover threads with the rest of your Jew hating pack.
And also, if I remember right it used to go like this, with the comma;
"remember, jude"
remember, adolf.
And also, if I remember right it used to go like this, with the comma;
"remember, jude"
remember, adolf.
Remember both.
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Conrad73: Funny,said by a Guy who is always Off-Topic!
It was on Topic then,and is on Topic now,and I will keep reminding you of the definition,anytime you bring it up,and it will always be On Topic,when you bring it up,because you make it the Topic,so all I will be doing is commenting on the Topic,therefore I'll always be On Topic!
Capish?
It was on Topic then,and is on Topic now,and I will keep reminding you of the definition,anytime you bring it up,and it will always be On Topic,when you bring it up,because you make it the Topic,so all I will be doing is commenting on the Topic,therefore I'll always be On Topic!
Capish?
Well Conrad, if referring to Jude upsets you, I won't use it. There are many other inspiring stories about the hope for peace in the Middle East. I'll find another one.
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patmac: How many times have you been caught on this thread alone .....
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Albertaghost: No Paldi, you didn't confuse it as you thought it was a constitution. The declaration of independence has been brought up various times by myself and only describes what the idea of the nation is about. It guarantees no rights to anybody.
None are in the DOI or the non existent Constitution.
RA
None are in the DOI or the non existent Constitution.
RA
Well not true. They are implied as part of the right to dignity... and the Constitution does exist, just not in one book.
Several cardinal human rights are missing from this (Basic Law) document, such as the Right for Equality, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Protest, and others.
These rights were given to the residents of Israel by general principles which existed before this Basic Law.
Although these rights were not included in the law, some jurists, such as former President of The Supreme Court of Israel Aharon Barak, see these rights are directly derived from the "right to dignity"
which is in the law.
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Now can we get back to Syria?
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Paldi5: Well not true. They are implied as part of the right to dignity... and the Constitution does exist, just not in one book.
Several cardinal human rights are missing from this (Basic Law) document, such as the Right for Equality, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Protest, and others.
These rights were given to the residents of Israel by general principles which existed before this Basic Law.
Although these rights were not included in the law, some jurists, such as former President of The Supreme Court of Israel Aharon Barak, see these rights are directly derived from the "right to dignity"
which is in the law.
Several cardinal human rights are missing from this (Basic Law) document, such as the Right for Equality, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Protest, and others.
These rights were given to the residents of Israel by general principles which existed before this Basic Law.
Although these rights were not included in the law, some jurists, such as former President of The Supreme Court of Israel Aharon Barak, see these rights are directly derived from the "right to dignity"
which is in the law.
The "Constitution" does not exist per sec. Fred No one Book No one. Document. NO ACTUAL PHYSICAL constitution exists and yet you try to use an IMPLICATION
Any implication cannot be a law and any document showing "your constitution" does not exist this alone shows there is not one.Your list of rights as you call them do not always appear on a constitution.
A constitution is a Bill of Rights that any populace has as their undeniable right to have by declaration and agreement.
Freedom of religion is not a basic right in a Theocracy for example but they can have a Constitution but all folk must or should follow the religion of the state...
Facts Fred seem to confuse you...Much like the truth...
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patmac: The "Constitution" does not exist per sec. Fred No one Book No one. Document. NO ACTUAL PHYSICAL constitution exists and yet you try to use an IMPLICATION Any implication cannot be a law and any document showing "your constitution" does not exist this alone shows there is not one.
Your list of rights as you call them do not always appear on a constitution.
A constitution is a Bill of Rights that any populace has as their undeniable right to have by declaration and agreement.
Freedom of religion is not a basic right in a Theocracy for example but they can have a Constitution but all folk must or should follow the religion of the state...Facts Fred seem to confuse you...Much like the truth...
Your list of rights as you call them do not always appear on a constitution.
A constitution is a Bill of Rights that any populace has as their undeniable right to have by declaration and agreement.
Freedom of religion is not a basic right in a Theocracy for example but they can have a Constitution but all folk must or should follow the religion of the state...Facts Fred seem to confuse you...Much like the truth...
Syria pat and lay off the Scotch
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Paldi5: Syria pat and lay off the Scotch
Dancing on two threads now Fred
Sad you can never back up all these "factual statements" Sad Fred so sad.......
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In response to: many dead in the city of darah as protesters clash with security forces, this is another brutal regime very similar to that of libya, democracy = zero, human rights = zero, other political parties = zero, brought to power by nobody but his father , this govenment is on the edge of collapsing, but before people will pay a very high price unfortunately there will be lots of killings in this country too
gosh.....with all these 'uprising' around the world, i wonder if i should start a new thread and talk about the frequent and random uprising inside my pant
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Paldi5: Well Conrad, if referring to Jude upsets you, I won't use it. There are many other inspiring stories about the hope for peace in the Middle East. I'll find another one.
Nope it doesn't!But I will keep reminding you,for the sake of Six Million Jude(n).
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There is no such thing as an Israel constitution? Someone posted it a while back.