Anti American and Anti west ..2 (527)
leigh2154: No Colleen...Russia was out from the beginning...I am talking about NATO, not the UNSC...Russia abstained during the vote by the UN...but for the NATO vote, it was Turkey who held out...they have had three meetings so far, the last one proved successful....Turkey will help by sending troops to Afghanistan to relieve NATO members currently there as a way to avoid activity in Libya....
Well, that has changed...Last I heard they were in it with Russia...Abstained and would attack if anyone harmed a civilian in Lybia. My bad.
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jlw45: i saw a little of it...i did'nt watch the whole thing...but i'de like to see it...joe must have a death wish ?...
I think if you go to u-tube and type in biden impeachment, it'll pop up. Out of the mouth of babes.
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bodleing: Yeah...and it wasn't me who set fire to Montreal Airport, it was my buddy, Roger!!!
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chris27292729: With one woman not so good,with 2 in bed a perfection.
It's your lie, tell it however you wish.
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leigh2154: You really think he was lying Fud?
I think bears crap in the woods.
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Colleene1024: Well, that has changed...Last I heard they were in it with Russia...Abstained and would attack if anyone harmed a civilian in Lybia. My bad.
That was what Russia said concerning UNSC and Russia did abstain along with four other countries...the vote was 10 for the No-Fly and 5 who abstained...The five who abstained also had veto power and chose not to use it..therefore the vote was unanimous for the No-Fly...
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Dmire: We are all interdependent.If for example all people in the third world were to say "Lets go back to where we came from", the first world will suffer, just like the third world..Being anti western is not about hatred.All people of the world are good pple.But to challenge some decision forced in the throat of 3rd world in is in no way a blanket criticism.Mind you we have many good things from western world and many bad things from 3rd world.
There are some rumours going around various ministries in France that seem to have originated from both the Defense and Finance that it was figured in costs and social impact of possible tens of thousands more 'war refugees from Libya , Tunisia, Egypt and elsewhere that it might be far cheaper to stop this before it really got started by stopping the war in Libya hence denying the possibilities of 'war refugees' from most likely entering France. Sarkozy's interior ministers mindful of more refugees( read non-white/ Africans/ Muslims) would outrage the French whites and cost Sarkozy his job; to bolster his domestic standing, the policies for calling for a no fly-zone to be pressed among NATO would enhance his prestige and curry favour with the military and again enhance his popularity with the white French people...
This would leave the hidden agendas hidden from the people and make Sarkozy a so called her and champion of the Libyan revolution which would have very positive economic benefits,(oil) in the long run. France would appear 'reluctant' to take over the management of the 'no-fly zone' over Libya should it be 'offered' as Britain seems to be genuinely hesitant because of a very negative backlash from the people there...
Interesting rumour that started from NATO HQ, Brussels...
All is rarely as it seems once someone starts digging or talking...
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shotstopper: And the Taliban still control huge parts of Afghanistan. As a Historian I am sure you know this. So what has the war there acheived? Nothing at all.
I do know that this is actually incorrect. Save your spin for the 1st year undergrads down the student union club.
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Dmire: Once you acquire wealth, you have to protect it too.The case of afghanistan is to protect the american wealth.Since they sep 11th, america felt threatened by Osama.Remember what bush said after the bombing?
There's no proof of your first 2 sentences. And imo, they're absolutely wrong.As for the part I bolded... Since they sep 11th, america felt threatened by Osama...
and..... what's your point??? (You mean no one felt threatened in Japan when he gassed the subway, or when the bombs went off at Kobar towers? And all the other places he committed mass murders?)
That makes about as much since as saying Gadhafi should just sit down on his "throne" and eat bon-bons... what's he worried about anyway??
(Of course, imo, he should've left that "throne" long, long ago)
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dmire:
Yes like any other society, Africa has it's own problems.But once westerners come in , they add fuel to the fire.look at the libyan case for example....gaddaffi should have been ready to listen to mediation through African Union.Some countries even offered for mediation.But what happened is , the cluster of opposition run to europe and was recognized by france.Results? The colonel came out fighting with all the arms in his stores.So the MIGHTYS has come in with their air power to 'liberate' libyan people.presently, even mediation is very difficult for AU because the oppositin in libya is a puppet of westerners.Effects are many deaths and destruction due to prolonged war.
If they manage to send gaddafi out, IMF and world bank will come in and lead some money for rebuilding of infrastructues in libya destroyed by bombs from westerners.In 50 yrs time , libya will still be paying for the loans.Meanwhile sramble for libyian oil by forein companies will continues
Yes like any other society, Africa has it's own problems.But once westerners come in , they add fuel to the fire.look at the libyan case for example....gaddaffi should have been ready to listen to mediation through African Union.Some countries even offered for mediation.But what happened is , the cluster of opposition run to europe and was recognized by france.Results? The colonel came out fighting with all the arms in his stores.So the MIGHTYS has come in with their air power to 'liberate' libyan people.presently, even mediation is very difficult for AU because the oppositin in libya is a puppet of westerners.Effects are many deaths and destruction due to prolonged war.
If they manage to send gaddafi out, IMF and world bank will come in and lead some money for rebuilding of infrastructues in libya destroyed by bombs from westerners.In 50 yrs time , libya will still be paying for the loans.Meanwhile sramble for libyian oil by forein companies will continues
That so-called result was going on BEFORE "the opposition ran to Europe". The "colonel" kept adding to his stores, as the opposition got bigger, bringing them in from other places. (What reason do you propose the opposition went to Europe with?)You're trying to rewrite history that's just been written. I don't think you can expect people to forget that quickly.
Who says the opposition in Libya is a puppet of Westerners??
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bollywood: I have no "burden of proof on me" . If you see his postings on all the threads Previous one its evident .
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SCatlyn: I have seen his postings, and it is not evident. If you accuse, then the burden of proof is on you. (And if it's so evident in your eyes, it should be very easy for you to point it out - copy & post)
If its is not evident in your eyes ,its not my problem . I have told you where it is .
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BB_snickers: Florida, Texas, Arizona, California .... warm is the reason for a lot, the same way a lot of Brits get homes in Spain.
Really now??? Surely you're not serious with that answer. (If you are, you have far less knowledge than even I gave you credit for.) And you are absolutely wrong. Just ask the immigrants themselves............ Did you know Kansas has had a very fast growing Mexican population for some years now?
Florida, Texas, Arizona, California are ON THE BORDER WITH MEXICO
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jlw45: half there population was a joke...and it's no small wonder there economy is doing better...what's the pasos to dollor ratio ?...hell there may not be HALF the population here but, there is enough of them to mess up an already faultering economy...they work for 25 cents on the dollor...and still manage to send some home...you really don't need to tell me about "american urban myths"...remember where i'm at...it's like little mexico here in texas...and arizona, utah, idaho...hell, they're even in washington state...it's a good thing HALF are'nt here...if they were, you could'nt swing a cat without hitting one...hell, it already is that way....urban myth ??...i'm not so sure about that... ...although, PBS does some other good shows...
Yep, Detroit was a big city, but there are FAR sadder stories & economic conditions in other places ALL over the world. (And here in the U.S. in Appalachia long before any "economic crisis" - far sadder than Detroit).From the little I've seen of it, even far sadder on the border with Mexico. Innocent people, stuck living in a drug war zone- not just men, but women & children, being mowed down on a regular basis for years now....
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jlw45: tell it to the immigration office...
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shotstopperWhat????laugh How long ago was Noriega? The Taliban???
Those were the last countries invaded by the US. You do remember saying this in error don't you?
"have you noticed the only ones attacked so far were in oil rich countries in the middle east? Wonder why that is?"
shotstopperDo you mean Afghanistan? America needed a stable afghanistan just like they need a stable Iraq and Libya. You should read more. There are plenty of oil and gas reserves to the North of that country and the only way to get them to the west is a pipeline through Afghanistan.
So we have Iraq and Libya. Two of the most oil rich nations in the world. Plus Afghanistan, a country very important in getting oil and gas to the weat.
And it not about where the US buys oil either. Do you know anything about simple economics?????? As I said in a post earlier. An unsatble Libya has driven the cost of oil up. This really affects countries that use a lot of it like The US and UK. So they neded to interviene to try to stabilise the country. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan were both about changing an Anti West regeime to a pro West one. I really can't belive after all these years and everything we know now that there are still some people foolish or stupid enough to believe any of these wars were about bringing democracy to the people.
This would be a great theory if not for the hard reality that if left to their own deviices those countries would have been very stable. Saddam would still be ruling Iraq with an iron fist, the Taliban would still be helping out Al Qaeda and Qaddafi would be happily killing his own people. And, they would all be stable and the price of oil would remain the same as it is only when war is introduced to the equation does the price go up.
Sorry but the actions by the US and coalitions temporarily increased instability rather than decreased it from where it had remained for decades with those thugs in power so your contention is wrong.
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shotstopper: What????laugh How long ago was Noriega? The Taliban???
Those were the last countries invaded by the US. You do remember saying this in error don't you?
"have you noticed the only ones attacked so far were in oil rich countries in the middle east? Wonder why that is?"
shotstopper: Do you mean Afghanistan? America needed a stable afghanistan just like they need a stable Iraq and Libya. You should read more. There are plenty of oil and gas reserves to the North of that country and the only way to get them to the west is a pipeline through Afghanistan.
So we have Iraq and Libya. Two of the most oil rich nations in the world. Plus Afghanistan, a country very important in getting oil and gas to the weat.
And it not about where the US buys oil either. Do you know anything about simple economics?????? As I said in a post earlier. An unsatble Libya has driven the cost of oil up. This really affects countries that use a lot of it like The US and UK. So they neded to interviene to try to stabilise the country. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan were both about changing an Anti West regeime to a pro West one. I really can't belive after all these years and everything we know now that there are still some people foolish or stupid enough to believe any of these wars were about bringing democracy to the people.
So we have Iraq and Libya. Two of the most oil rich nations in the world. Plus Afghanistan, a country very important in getting oil and gas to the weat.
And it not about where the US buys oil either. Do you know anything about simple economics?????? As I said in a post earlier. An unsatble Libya has driven the cost of oil up. This really affects countries that use a lot of it like The US and UK. So they neded to interviene to try to stabilise the country. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan were both about changing an Anti West regeime to a pro West one. I really can't belive after all these years and everything we know now that there are still some people foolish or stupid enough to believe any of these wars were about bringing democracy to the people.
This would be a great theory if not for the hard reality that if left to their own devices those countries would have been very stable. Saddam would still be ruling Iraq with an iron fist, the Taliban would still be helping out Al Qaeda and Qaddafi would be happily killing his own people. And, they would all be stable and the price of oil would remain the same as it is only when war is introduced to the equation does the price go up.
Sorry but the actions by the US and coalitions temporarily increased instability rather than decreased it from where it had remained for decades with those thugs in power so your contention is wrong.
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Albertaghost: http://www.connectingsingles.com/forum_0_167244_43/anti_american_anti_west.htm
Those were the last countries invaded by the US. You do remember saying this in error don't you?
Those were the last countries invaded by the US. You do remember saying this in error don't you?
shotstopper: "have you noticed the only ones attacked so far were in oil rich countries in the middle east? Wonder why that is? ....This really affects countries that use a lot of it like The US and UK. So they neded to interviene to try to stabilise the country. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan were both about changing an Anti West regeime to a pro West one."
Albertaghost: This would be a great theory if not for the hard reality that if left to their own devices those countries would have been very stable. Saddam would still be ruling Iraq with an iron fist, the Taliban would still be helping out Al Qaeda and Qaddafi would be happily killing his own people. And, they would all be stable and the price of oil would remain the same as it is only when war is introduced to the equation does the price go up.
Sorry but the actions by the US and coalitions temporarily increased instability rather than decreased it from where it had remained for decades with those thugs in power so your contention is wrong.
Nice post - really gives a person something to think about Sorry but the actions by the US and coalitions temporarily increased instability rather than decreased it from where it had remained for decades with those thugs in power so your contention is wrong.
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The world health organization (WHO), in collaboration with the FDA, has finally confirmed the outbreak of 2 deadly viruses called 'EHTWAU'(everybody hates the west and USA) and 'TWAUS'(the west and USA suck) among some people in this world. the primary investigation of these two viruses suggest that they both have some 'stunning' capabilities to cripple the mind and the power of reasoning of people. while the exact reasons to this kind of deadly outbreak are still unknown/inconclusive, it is feared that ill-educcation/lack of education, ignorance and hatred are the breeding grounds of these kind of viruses. Urging people not to panic over the deadly outbreak, the WHO maintains that all we need is to have some patience and open mind over the counter drugs to neutralize the effets of these viruses. the WHO also urges people to stay away from the drug "start a war' to counter these viruses because, while this kind of 'drug' can have some instant 'results' in short run, it can also have a very bad side-effetcs in the long run.
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