Solutions to the conflict in the Middle East (Israel/Palistine) (209)
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patmac: Nope Fred you hide things and I for one find them. You clearly stated in line 7.
This is your place to post your ideas on how to end the conflict.
Fee free to talk about UN initiatives past present or proposed...
Wars...
The dustbin of history
Population exchanges and transfers...
One State... Two States, even three...
Palestine is Jordan...
Promotion of Jewish diaspora...
This is a friendly place. Let's try to keep the noise down.
Your statement and you have danced around disappeared and now comeback and still try to deny what you said.
Sad Fred you cannot admit what you clearly stated and you dance and accuse folk when it is on the thread so CLEARLY...
LINE 7 NO IFS, NO BUTS and NO MAYBES
Palestine is Jordan .....
So if Palestine is Jordan then the Palestinians belong there not in Israel. And just what are you going to do with the Jordanians???
This is your place to post your ideas on how to end the conflict.
Fee free to talk about UN initiatives past present or proposed...
Wars...
The dustbin of history
Population exchanges and transfers...
One State... Two States, even three...
Palestine is Jordan...
Promotion of Jewish diaspora...
This is a friendly place. Let's try to keep the noise down.
Your statement and you have danced around disappeared and now comeback and still try to deny what you said.
Sad Fred you cannot admit what you clearly stated and you dance and accuse folk when it is on the thread so CLEARLY...
LINE 7 NO IFS, NO BUTS and NO MAYBES
Palestine is Jordan .....
So if Palestine is Jordan then the Palestinians belong there not in Israel. And just what are you going to do with the Jordanians???
OK pat..
I did say "Palestine is Jordan"
Let's see how we can make "Palestine is Jordan" work to the forum's satisfaction. We'll stick to the facts.
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The West Bank and Israel are part of the lands often called Palestine and is defined as the area from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. I think you can agree this is a fact.
Palestine is not currently a state. At one time these lands were part of the British mandated territory of Jordan also called Trans Jordan. Britain divided that land in two and named part of the land, west of the Jordan River "Palestine" and the other, larger part east of the river they named "Jordan." I think you will agree that this division of the land and the names given to the two parts is fact.
Palestine's boundaries could someday encompass land(s):
1. divided into two (or 3) states for two peoples or
2. one state for two peoples, or
3. one state for one people (predominantly Jewish or Muslim
if one of the two "people groups" leaves.)
It is also possible that things will continue as they are, a state of Jews and Muslims and a disputed territory of Muslims and Jews.
I think you will agree these options are the only practical choices available, short of a melt down in Dimona or Iranian nucs going off everywhere, and even then the land will be there and it will likely still be called the (radioactive) lands of Palestine and Jordan, there just won't be very many people.
Presently Palestine is a state and disputed territory with no defined border between them. There is an armistice line, and the green line, and walls and fences around settlements claiming to be part of the Jewish state, etc. but no officially recognized border... These are called "facts on the ground." (While some folk dispute the legality of some of these facts, the issues are outside of the scope of our discussion today.)
Concerning the population - Palestine is Jordan and Palestinians are Jordanians. This is logical though at present not implemented because the King has not issued citizenship papers for West Bankers or Israelis. That's a fact.
And, to answer your question, you won't have to move or transfer any of these so-called Palestinians, neither those living in Israel nor those living in the West Bank, to Jordan because they are already in the land of Palestine which is already in the land known as Jordan because, by the definition we agreed to use in this scenario, Palestine is Jordan.
In other words...
The Palestinians in Israel belong there because Israel is in Palestine. The people of Israel are living on Palestinian land because Israel is within the land known as Palestine. That's a fact.
Shall we debate the facts or go on to the next solution on the list?
Problem seems solvable to me. Facts are facts. NO IFS, NO BUTS and NO MAYBES (I checked.)
Palestine is Jordan
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Paldi5: OK pat..
I did say "Palestine is Jordan"
Let's see how we can make "Palestine is Jordan" work to the forum's satisfaction. We'll stick to the facts.
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The West Bank and Israel are part of the lands often called Palestine and is defined as the area from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. I think you can agree this is a fact.
Palestine is not currently a state. At one time these lands were part of the British mandated territory of Jordan also called Trans Jordan. Britain divided that land in two and named part of the land, west of the Jordan River "Palestine" and the other, larger part east of the river they named "Jordan." I think you will agree that this division of the land and the names given to the two parts is fact.
Palestine's boundaries could someday encompass land(s):
1. divided into two (or 3) states for two peoples or
2. one state for two peoples, or
3. one state for one people (predominantly Jewish or Muslim
if one of the two "people groups" leaves.)
It is also possible that things will continue as they are, a state of Jews and Muslims and a disputed territory of Muslims and Jews.
I think you will agree these options are the only practical choices available, short of a melt down in Dimona or Iranian nucs going off everywhere, and even then the land will be there and it will likely still be called the (radioactive) lands of Palestine and Jordan, there just won't be very many people.
Presently Palestine is a state and disputed territory with no defined border between them. There is an armistice line, and the green line, and walls and fences around settlements claiming to be part of the Jewish state, etc. but no officially recognized border... These are called "facts on the ground." (While some folk dispute the legality of some of these facts, the issues are outside of the scope of our discussion today.)
Concerning the population - Palestine is Jordan and Palestinians are Jordanians. This is logical though at present not implemented because the King has not issued citizenship papers for West Bankers or Israelis. That's a fact.
And, to answer your question, you won't have to move or transfer any of these so-called Palestinians, neither those living in Israel nor those living in the West Bank, to Jordan because they are already in the land of Palestine which is already in the land known as Jordan because, by the definition we agreed to use in this scenario, Palestine is Jordan.
In other words...
The Palestinians in Israel belong there because Israel is in Palestine. The people of Israel are living on Palestinian land because Israel is within the land known as Palestine. That's a fact.
Shall we debate the facts or go on to the next solution on the list?
Problem seems solvable to me. Facts are facts. NO IFS, NO BUTS and NO MAYBES (I checked.)
Palestine is Jordan
I did say "Palestine is Jordan"
Let's see how we can make "Palestine is Jordan" work to the forum's satisfaction. We'll stick to the facts.
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The West Bank and Israel are part of the lands often called Palestine and is defined as the area from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. I think you can agree this is a fact.
Palestine is not currently a state. At one time these lands were part of the British mandated territory of Jordan also called Trans Jordan. Britain divided that land in two and named part of the land, west of the Jordan River "Palestine" and the other, larger part east of the river they named "Jordan." I think you will agree that this division of the land and the names given to the two parts is fact.
Palestine's boundaries could someday encompass land(s):
1. divided into two (or 3) states for two peoples or
2. one state for two peoples, or
3. one state for one people (predominantly Jewish or Muslim
if one of the two "people groups" leaves.)
It is also possible that things will continue as they are, a state of Jews and Muslims and a disputed territory of Muslims and Jews.
I think you will agree these options are the only practical choices available, short of a melt down in Dimona or Iranian nucs going off everywhere, and even then the land will be there and it will likely still be called the (radioactive) lands of Palestine and Jordan, there just won't be very many people.
Presently Palestine is a state and disputed territory with no defined border between them. There is an armistice line, and the green line, and walls and fences around settlements claiming to be part of the Jewish state, etc. but no officially recognized border... These are called "facts on the ground." (While some folk dispute the legality of some of these facts, the issues are outside of the scope of our discussion today.)
Concerning the population - Palestine is Jordan and Palestinians are Jordanians. This is logical though at present not implemented because the King has not issued citizenship papers for West Bankers or Israelis. That's a fact.
And, to answer your question, you won't have to move or transfer any of these so-called Palestinians, neither those living in Israel nor those living in the West Bank, to Jordan because they are already in the land of Palestine which is already in the land known as Jordan because, by the definition we agreed to use in this scenario, Palestine is Jordan.
In other words...
The Palestinians in Israel belong there because Israel is in Palestine. The people of Israel are living on Palestinian land because Israel is within the land known as Palestine. That's a fact.
Shall we debate the facts or go on to the next solution on the list?
Problem seems solvable to me. Facts are facts. NO IFS, NO BUTS and NO MAYBES (I checked.)
Palestine is Jordan
So why deny that you said it Fred......Sad,takes you ages to ADMIT IT THOUGH.....
So why should anyone believe a word you say ????
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Paldi5: OK pat..
I did say "Palestine is Jordan"
Let's see how we can make "Palestine is Jordan" work to the forum's satisfaction. We'll stick to the facts.
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The West Bank and Israel are part of the lands often called Palestine and is defined as the area from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. I think you can agree this is a fact.
Palestine is not currently a state and never was a state. At one time these lands were part of the British mandated territory of Jordan also called Trans Jordan. Britain divided that land in two and named part of the land, west of the Jordan River "Palestine" and the other, larger part east of the river they named "Jordan." I think you will agree that this division of the land and the names given to the two parts is fact.
Palestine's boundaries could someday encompass land(s):
1. divided into two (or 3) states for two peoples or
2. one state for two peoples, or
3. one state for one people (predominantly Jewish or Muslim
if one of the two "people groups" leaves.)
It is also possible that things will continue as they are, a state of Jews and Muslims and a disputed territory of Muslims and Jews.
I think you will agree these options are the only practical choices available, short of a melt down in Dimona or Iranian nucs going off everywhere, and even then the land will be there and it will likely still be called the (radioactive) lands of Palestine and Jordan, there just won't be very many people.
Presently Palestine includes a state (Israel) and disputed territory with no defined border between them. There is an armistice line and/s]or the green line, and walls and fences around settlements claiming to be part of the Jewish state, etc. but no officially recognized border... These are called "facts on the ground." (While some folk dispute the legality of some of these facts, the issues are outside of the scope of our discussion today.)
Concerning the population - Palestine is Jordan and Palestinians are Jordanians. This is logical though at present not implemented because the King has not issued citizenship papers for West Bankers or Israelis. That's a fact.
And, to answer your question, you won't have to move or transfer any of these so-called Palestinians, neither those living in Israel nor those living in the West Bank, to Jordan because they are already in the land of Palestine which is already in the land known as Jordan because, by the definition we agreed to use in this scenario, Palestine is Jordan.
In other words...
The Palestinians in Israel belong there because Israel is in Palestine. The people of Israel are living on Palestinian land because Israel is within the land known as Palestine. That's a fact.
Shall we debate the facts or go on to the next solution on the list?
Problem seems solvable to me. Facts are facts. NO IFS, NO BUTS and NO MAYBES (I checked.)
Palestine is Jordan
I did say "Palestine is Jordan"
Let's see how we can make "Palestine is Jordan" work to the forum's satisfaction. We'll stick to the facts.
====================== ** ==========================
The West Bank and Israel are part of the lands often called Palestine and is defined as the area from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. I think you can agree this is a fact.
Palestine is not currently a state and never was a state. At one time these lands were part of the British mandated territory of Jordan also called Trans Jordan. Britain divided that land in two and named part of the land, west of the Jordan River "Palestine" and the other, larger part east of the river they named "Jordan." I think you will agree that this division of the land and the names given to the two parts is fact.
Palestine's boundaries could someday encompass land(s):
1. divided into two (or 3) states for two peoples or
2. one state for two peoples, or
3. one state for one people (predominantly Jewish or Muslim
if one of the two "people groups" leaves.)
It is also possible that things will continue as they are, a state of Jews and Muslims and a disputed territory of Muslims and Jews.
I think you will agree these options are the only practical choices available, short of a melt down in Dimona or Iranian nucs going off everywhere, and even then the land will be there and it will likely still be called the (radioactive) lands of Palestine and Jordan, there just won't be very many people.
Presently Palestine includes a state (Israel) and disputed territory with no defined border between them. There is an armistice line and/s]or the green line, and walls and fences around settlements claiming to be part of the Jewish state, etc. but no officially recognized border... These are called "facts on the ground." (While some folk dispute the legality of some of these facts, the issues are outside of the scope of our discussion today.)
Concerning the population - Palestine is Jordan and Palestinians are Jordanians. This is logical though at present not implemented because the King has not issued citizenship papers for West Bankers or Israelis. That's a fact.
And, to answer your question, you won't have to move or transfer any of these so-called Palestinians, neither those living in Israel nor those living in the West Bank, to Jordan because they are already in the land of Palestine which is already in the land known as Jordan because, by the definition we agreed to use in this scenario, Palestine is Jordan.
In other words...
The Palestinians in Israel belong there because Israel is in Palestine. The people of Israel are living on Palestinian land because Israel is within the land known as Palestine. That's a fact.
Shall we debate the facts or go on to the next solution on the list?
Problem seems solvable to me. Facts are facts. NO IFS, NO BUTS and NO MAYBES (I checked.)
Palestine is Jordan
Slight edit for clarity.
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patmac: So why deny that you said it Fred......Sad,takes you ages to ADMIT IT THOUGH.....
So why should anyone believe a word you say ????
So why should anyone believe a word you say ????
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Paldi5: Slight edit for clarity.
Nah Fred just another twist......Why should anyone believe you after your pages of denial
Makes any argument you had a bit useless as you now admit the fact you said what you did after denying it.....Like I say Fred one lie is enough for me, and I suspect others to question any point you try to make....Sad Fred just sad....
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Paldi5: Slight edit for clarity.
In my first post I said Palistine is not a state but later on in the post I said it was a state and a disputed territory. Upon re-reading I thought that may be confusing.
I made an edit for clarity.
Palestine is not a state in it's own name (yet). It contains a state (Israel) and a disputed occupied territory (the West Bank).
That's more clear.
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Albertaghost: First step is to have a third party act as inter mediator and come up with the plan, present it to two stable governments and hash out the details to the satisfaction of both. This is probably the most difficult phase as there really is no stable government on the Palestinian side and, like Israeli factions, many in Palestine do not wish peace as they garner profit from the conflict. This part I leave to the winds to figure out in order to move on.
Second part is the explanation of the plan. Assuming two governments have agreed, comittees are formed on each side for the purpose of nothing but executing this endeavor. The problems and rewards are;
Problems;
- Israel holds the cards so, their security is their primary concdern. If they give up land, they lose security unless trust is established.
- Palestine holds no cards so, they wish land. Given their history of attacking Israel, they cannot have that land en masse as this would seriously threaten the existance of Israel should Palestine attack from those lands,even with captured or homemade weapons.
So, trust has to be built over time but, Palestinians are disillusioned, desperate, pissed off and left to resignation that nothing will ever happen and, without physical improvements will, as usual, revert back to terrorist tactics once they feel momentum has stalled.
So, to sum up this part, Israel cannot give up land right away and Palestine cannot occupy that land right away yet, trust has to be built but, improvements have to be shown to the people. Their life has to improve immediately.
UN/Israeli and Palestinian Surveyors take the '67 borders and mark them out in detail. Real estate agents come in and assign each piece of Palestinian land's value with,and without a building on it.
The PA then charges fair rent to the occupied land and Israel collects it. The PA can either distribute the monies to the people or, save it. In any case, if an Israeli wishes to buy the land itself, the price is 30% more than the market in order to discourage the purchase.
Any unoccupied land can be either sold at market or, retained over time as future land for the country of Palestine. The advantage is, with this method, Palestinians get results now and, Israel gets results now and, Palestinians have the opportunity to buy the homes which are left by the settlers from the monies gained from the rent of other lands.
With the flow of cash coming in, the elected government of Palestine enjoys popularity and thus, will enforce the security arrangements of the agreement. This includes;
- no hostile actions
- turnover of all weapons and destructive devices
- arrest and public trials of any illegal actions
- banning of any paramilitary organizations
Second part is the explanation of the plan. Assuming two governments have agreed, comittees are formed on each side for the purpose of nothing but executing this endeavor. The problems and rewards are;
Problems;
- Israel holds the cards so, their security is their primary concdern. If they give up land, they lose security unless trust is established.
- Palestine holds no cards so, they wish land. Given their history of attacking Israel, they cannot have that land en masse as this would seriously threaten the existance of Israel should Palestine attack from those lands,even with captured or homemade weapons.
So, trust has to be built over time but, Palestinians are disillusioned, desperate, pissed off and left to resignation that nothing will ever happen and, without physical improvements will, as usual, revert back to terrorist tactics once they feel momentum has stalled.
So, to sum up this part, Israel cannot give up land right away and Palestine cannot occupy that land right away yet, trust has to be built but, improvements have to be shown to the people. Their life has to improve immediately.
UN/Israeli and Palestinian Surveyors take the '67 borders and mark them out in detail. Real estate agents come in and assign each piece of Palestinian land's value with,and without a building on it.
The PA then charges fair rent to the occupied land and Israel collects it. The PA can either distribute the monies to the people or, save it. In any case, if an Israeli wishes to buy the land itself, the price is 30% more than the market in order to discourage the purchase.
Any unoccupied land can be either sold at market or, retained over time as future land for the country of Palestine. The advantage is, with this method, Palestinians get results now and, Israel gets results now and, Palestinians have the opportunity to buy the homes which are left by the settlers from the monies gained from the rent of other lands.
With the flow of cash coming in, the elected government of Palestine enjoys popularity and thus, will enforce the security arrangements of the agreement. This includes;
- no hostile actions
- turnover of all weapons and destructive devices
- arrest and public trials of any illegal actions
- banning of any paramilitary organizations
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Albertaghost: Any non compliance of these results in a penalty of a percentage of the rents which would be payable to the mediator who can assign the monies to whomever at a set date years in the future.
As time goes on, the PA will wish to take thee monies and buy homes or occupy land that is unoccupied. As per the agreement, if a certain amount of time has passed with no hostilities then some land may be occupied providing houses are bought, rented (a reversal of the land rental as the money is paid now to Israelis) or, built to code. In this way, there will be no sudden influx of millions of Palestinians as there simply isn't enough money and time has to take it's course.
Once Palestinians begin to move into Israel, they have to be observed and, protected. With this in mind, a security force composed of three parts will be formed. One part Israeli, Palestinian and UN. All are schooled with the same instructions, standards and SOPs and all will be represented in that ratio when called on or simply on patrol.
At this point, there may be sabotage by fringe elements or, even terror attacks with the disruption of the plan in mind so, a common penalty for those who do such things is applied. As well, if for example a home in Palestine is destroyed, the money to rebuild it is taken from the other side however, only half will be provided to the Palestinians for that purpose with the remainder held by the mediator. In this way, nobody gets profit or political points from vandalism or destruction.
So I suppose that covers the first couple of years or maybe even five or so. Some other conditions or considerations are;
- a heavy love campaign to pull the bone out of every-bodies head is placed on all media. Sort of like the anti smoking campaign designed to promote peace, love and crap. In other words, no Jew hating mice cartoons for kids. Promotion of the benefits of peace over and over and over .......
- Palestinians have no military, they do have a large consulate in Jerusalem along with homes for the staff sort of like the 'American Village' though. Later, maybe after ten or fifteen years they can claim Jerusalem as their capitol and assemble there. Any foreign dignitaries will be accompanied by the troika of security (PA/Is/UN) until otherwise changed.
- the country of Palestine still does not exist. Rather it is considered a province of Israel and, it's police are the troika, it's government is either the consulate or Gaza/West Bank however, they are moving back - in peace.
- as trust develops the wall loses it's purpose and, the land on either side is made available for development/rent/purchase or otherwise financial use. At this point, a decision has to be made whether to become their own country and duplicate services or, to just join Israel as a distinct society.
Myself, I believe it would be one and the same country as both their futures would be intertwined. The time line would be as I see it, if possible, 25 years or so.
As time goes on, the PA will wish to take thee monies and buy homes or occupy land that is unoccupied. As per the agreement, if a certain amount of time has passed with no hostilities then some land may be occupied providing houses are bought, rented (a reversal of the land rental as the money is paid now to Israelis) or, built to code. In this way, there will be no sudden influx of millions of Palestinians as there simply isn't enough money and time has to take it's course.
Once Palestinians begin to move into Israel, they have to be observed and, protected. With this in mind, a security force composed of three parts will be formed. One part Israeli, Palestinian and UN. All are schooled with the same instructions, standards and SOPs and all will be represented in that ratio when called on or simply on patrol.
At this point, there may be sabotage by fringe elements or, even terror attacks with the disruption of the plan in mind so, a common penalty for those who do such things is applied. As well, if for example a home in Palestine is destroyed, the money to rebuild it is taken from the other side however, only half will be provided to the Palestinians for that purpose with the remainder held by the mediator. In this way, nobody gets profit or political points from vandalism or destruction.
So I suppose that covers the first couple of years or maybe even five or so. Some other conditions or considerations are;
- a heavy love campaign to pull the bone out of every-bodies head is placed on all media. Sort of like the anti smoking campaign designed to promote peace, love and crap. In other words, no Jew hating mice cartoons for kids. Promotion of the benefits of peace over and over and over .......
- Palestinians have no military, they do have a large consulate in Jerusalem along with homes for the staff sort of like the 'American Village' though. Later, maybe after ten or fifteen years they can claim Jerusalem as their capitol and assemble there. Any foreign dignitaries will be accompanied by the troika of security (PA/Is/UN) until otherwise changed.
- the country of Palestine still does not exist. Rather it is considered a province of Israel and, it's police are the troika, it's government is either the consulate or Gaza/West Bank however, they are moving back - in peace.
- as trust develops the wall loses it's purpose and, the land on either side is made available for development/rent/purchase or otherwise financial use. At this point, a decision has to be made whether to become their own country and duplicate services or, to just join Israel as a distinct society.
Myself, I believe it would be one and the same country as both their futures would be intertwined. The time line would be as I see it, if possible, 25 years or so.
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albertaghost:
Myself, I believe it would be one and the same country as both their futures would be intertwined. The time line would be as I see it, if possible, 25 years or so.
Myself, I believe it would be one and the same country as both their futures would be intertwined. The time line would be as I see it, if possible, 25 years or so.
With detail modifications to be resolved through negotiations and with the support of the mediators I believe your plan is a good one. However personally I think the endgame should be stated in advance ... having one country.
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Just a follow up on the Jordan is Palistine suggestion...
The following excerpt about history of Jordan is from the official Jordanian government website.
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The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed on October 26, 1994, at the southern border crossing of Wadi ‘Araba. The treaty guaranteed Jordan the restoration of its occupied land (approximately 380 square kilometers), and guaranteed the Kingdom an equitable share of water from the Yarmouk and Jordan rivers. Moreover, the treaty defined Jordan’s western borders clearly and conclusively for the first time, putting an end to the dangerous Zionist suggestion that “Jordan is Palestine.”
Seeking to lay a firm foundation for a just, comprehensive and lasting peace, the treaty also outlined a number of areas in which negotiations would continue. To this end, Jordanian and Israeli negotiators have signed a series of protocols establishing a mutually beneficial framework of relations in fields such as trade, transportation, tourism, communications, energy, culture, science, navigation, the environment, health and agriculture, as well as cooperatory agreements for the Jordan Valley and the Aqaba-Eilat region.
The following excerpt about history of Jordan is from the official Jordanian government website.
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The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed on October 26, 1994, at the southern border crossing of Wadi ‘Araba. The treaty guaranteed Jordan the restoration of its occupied land (approximately 380 square kilometers), and guaranteed the Kingdom an equitable share of water from the Yarmouk and Jordan rivers. Moreover, the treaty defined Jordan’s western borders clearly and conclusively for the first time, putting an end to the dangerous Zionist suggestion that “Jordan is Palestine.”
Seeking to lay a firm foundation for a just, comprehensive and lasting peace, the treaty also outlined a number of areas in which negotiations would continue. To this end, Jordanian and Israeli negotiators have signed a series of protocols establishing a mutually beneficial framework of relations in fields such as trade, transportation, tourism, communications, energy, culture, science, navigation, the environment, health and agriculture, as well as cooperatory agreements for the Jordan Valley and the Aqaba-Eilat region.
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Paldi5: This is your place to post your ideas on how to end the conflict.
Fee free to talk about UN initiatives past present or proposed...
Wars...
The dustbin of history
Population exchanges and transfers...
One State... Two States, even three...
Palestine is Jordan...
Promotion of Jewish diaspora...
This is a friendly place. Let's try to keep the noise down.
Fee free to talk about UN initiatives past present or proposed...
Wars...
The dustbin of history
Population exchanges and transfers...
One State... Two States, even three...
Palestine is Jordan...
Promotion of Jewish diaspora...
This is a friendly place. Let's try to keep the noise down.
Peace takes compromise on both sides and a lot of talking and trying to understand the other sides point of view. Sadly I think it is not going to happen in my lifetime in the Middle East but I also thought that about my own country. And thank goodness I was wrong.
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Paldi5: Just a follow up on the Jordan is Palistine suggestion...
The following excerpt about history of Jordan is from the official Jordanian government website.
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The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed on October 26, 1994, at the southern border crossing of Wadi ‘Araba. The treaty guaranteed Jordan the restoration of its occupied land (approximately 380 square kilometers), and guaranteed the Kingdom an equitable share of water from the Yarmouk and Jordan rivers. Moreover, the treaty defined Jordan’s western borders clearly and conclusively for the first time, putting an end to the dangerous Zionist suggestion that “Jordan is Palestine.”
Seeking to lay a firm foundation for a just, comprehensive and lasting peace, the treaty also outlined a number of areas in which negotiations would continue. To this end, Jordanian and Israeli negotiators have signed a series of protocols establishing a mutually beneficial framework of relations in fields such as trade, transportation, tourism, communications, energy, culture, science, navigation, the environment, health and agriculture, as well as cooperatory agreements for the Jordan Valley and the Aqaba-Eilat region.
another one who had enough of Arafat's 5th Column Tactics!The following excerpt about history of Jordan is from the official Jordanian government website.
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The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed on October 26, 1994, at the southern border crossing of Wadi ‘Araba. The treaty guaranteed Jordan the restoration of its occupied land (approximately 380 square kilometers), and guaranteed the Kingdom an equitable share of water from the Yarmouk and Jordan rivers. Moreover, the treaty defined Jordan’s western borders clearly and conclusively for the first time, putting an end to the dangerous Zionist suggestion that “Jordan is Palestine.”
Seeking to lay a firm foundation for a just, comprehensive and lasting peace, the treaty also outlined a number of areas in which negotiations would continue. To this end, Jordanian and Israeli negotiators have signed a series of protocols establishing a mutually beneficial framework of relations in fields such as trade, transportation, tourism, communications, energy, culture, science, navigation, the environment, health and agriculture, as well as cooperatory agreements for the Jordan Valley and the Aqaba-Eilat region.
Slick,actually,washed his Hands of the Palestinians in the Westbank with one stroke of the Pen!
Recently, Jordan has revoked the citizenship of thousands of Palestinians in an attempt to thwart any attempt by Israel of permanently re-settling West Bank Palestinians in Jordan. West Bank Palestinians with family in Jordan or with previous Jordanian citizenship would be issued yellow cards which guaranteed them all the rights of Jordanian citizenship. Palestinians working for the Palestinian Authority or the PLO were among those who have had their Jordanian passports taken from them, in addition to anyone who did not serve in the Jordanian army. Palestinians living in Jordan with family in the West Bank would also be issued yellow cards. All other Palestinians wishing such Jordanian papers would be issued a green card which would facilitate travel into Jordan and give them temporary Jordanian passports in order to make travel easier. In addition, no Palestinians from the Gaza Strip are given any such privileges because Jordanian authority never extended into the Gaza Strip. WIKI
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Some how, the entire area should be carpet bombed with Neutron Bombs. End of problem. Equal annihilation.
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solitare: Some how, the entire area should be carpet bombed with Neutron Bombs. End of problem. Equal annihilation.
Holy Neutron,Batman!How many of those Thingies do you think you'd need?
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Conrad73: Another one who had enough of Arafat's 5th Column Tactics! Slick,actually,washed his Hands of the Palestinians in the Westbank with one stroke of the Pen!
Recently, Jordan has revoked the citizenship of thousands of Palestinians in an attempt to thwart any attempt by Israel of permanently re-settling West Bank Palestinians in Jordan.
West Bank Palestinians with family in Jordan or with previous Jordanian citizenship would be issued yellow cards which guaranteed them all the rights of Jordanian citizenship.
Palestinians working for the Palestinian Authority or the PLO were among those who have had their Jordanian passports taken from them, in addition to anyone who did not serve in the Jordanian army.
Palestinians living in Jordan with family in the West Bank would also be issued yellow cards. All other Palestinians wishing such Jordanian papers would be issued a green card which would facilitate travel into Jordan and give them temporary Jordanian passports in order to make travel easier.
In addition, no Palestinians from the Gaza Strip are given any such privileges because Jordanian authority never extended into the Gaza Strip. WIKI
Recently, Jordan has revoked the citizenship of thousands of Palestinians in an attempt to thwart any attempt by Israel of permanently re-settling West Bank Palestinians in Jordan.
West Bank Palestinians with family in Jordan or with previous Jordanian citizenship would be issued yellow cards which guaranteed them all the rights of Jordanian citizenship.
Palestinians working for the Palestinian Authority or the PLO were among those who have had their Jordanian passports taken from them, in addition to anyone who did not serve in the Jordanian army.
Palestinians living in Jordan with family in the West Bank would also be issued yellow cards. All other Palestinians wishing such Jordanian papers would be issued a green card which would facilitate travel into Jordan and give them temporary Jordanian passports in order to make travel easier.
In addition, no Palestinians from the Gaza Strip are given any such privileges because Jordanian authority never extended into the Gaza Strip. WIKI
OK... from the history:
The partnership with the Palestinians desired by King Hussein fell apart in September, 1970. The pervasive and chaotic presence of armed Palestinian fedayeen groups who expected immunity from Jordan’s laws was leading to a state of virtual anarchy throughout the Kingdom.
Moderate Palestinian leaders were unable to reign in extremist elements, who ambushed the king’s motorcade twice and perpetrated a series of spectacular hijackings. Forced to respond decisively in order to preserve his country from anarchy, King Hussein ordered the army into action.
The situation prompted different reactions throughout the Arab world. While most leaders privately expressed sympathy with the position of King Hussein, many took a public stance in favor of the fedayeen in order to embellish their credentials as “Arab nationalists.”
The conflict reached a crisis point in September when some 200 Syrian tanks, camouflaged rather unconvincingly as Palestinian Liberation Army tanks, crossed into Jordan. The Syrians were bereft of air cover, however, and Jordanian aircraft forced a Syrian retreat within three days. In a brief yet intense campaign ending in July 1971, the Jordanian army put an end to the chaotic actions of these Palestinians guerrillas in Amman.
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Conrad, your a PITA LMAO!