tallaght_guy: i have to laugh at the work section they assume you work a 9 to 5 job and in same location they dont take account a lot of people work nights or shift work and no fixed location
Where is there any assumption about time? As regards not working in a set location, as a rep or truck driver perhaps, I would presume that people who work in such jobs are not of a huge amount of use in statistical terms. The information which is gathered is to aid planning and can realistically only take patterns into account...
Envy51: At national level current population statistics are essential for planning the provision of health care, education, employment, etc. Regional figures are critical for determining regional policy and for the operation of regional authorities (e.g. Health Boards and of course the number of people using the #27 Bus). The greatest strength of the census is the provision of detailed population figures at local level. These help to identify likely demand for schools and health care facilities, areas of relatively high unemployment, the best location for new shops, etc. Article 16.2 of the Constitution (Bunreacht na hÉireann) lays down that the total membership of Dáil Eireann depends on the population as measured by the census (i.e. 1 TD per 20,000 to 30,000 persons). Constituency reviews normally take place once the definitive results of the census have been published.
The census is also the only means of accurately measuring the exact extent of migration. By comparing the results of successive censuses, and taking account of the number of births and deaths that have occurred over the same period, we get an accurate measure of net migration (the difference between inward and outward migration).As you say ......each to their own, well this is my country and i will fill it in.
Thats very informative N and yes personally the 1911 census gave me information about my ancestors that i didnt no so i was grateful for that
vinny1967: Once an Irelander, always an Irelander
How's you A ?
I might make one of your breakfast meets soon
Im great Vinny and yes still having breakfast, lunch and sometimes even dinner
purplesmurf: Where is there any assumption about time? As regards not working in a set location, as a rep or truck driver perhaps, I would presume that people who work in such jobs are not of a huge amount of use in statistical terms. The information which is gathered is to aid planning and can realistically only take patterns into account...
i have to look at it again but as far as i remember it asks what time you leave for work with a multiple choice answer what about if you head to work about 6 pm and finish at 7 am also asks whay way you travel to work walk bus luas bike car etc all the above depends where im working and at what time
Well i think the Cenus is important i know it can be a pain in te hole for most people.I used the Cenus to trace back my family history and found it very helpfully it help me to trace back nearly over 300 hundred year on me mums side of the family starting from 1901.
I also used the English Cenus to find my Dad side of the family tree which gave me over 400 years of family history that i didnt even know about so i do think it important to fill them and hopefully one day maybe 100 years now my son childrn will be usein them to find out about me.
tallaght_guy: i have to look at it again but as far as i remember it asks what time you leave for work with a multiple choice answer what about if you head to work about 6 pm and finish at 7 am also asks whay way you travel to work walk bus luas bike car etc all the above depends where im working and at what time
As I said the people who work shifts etc, or work in different places like yourself are not much use for planning purposes. The questions are asked about the peak traffic times so that provision of infrastructure and services can be planned....
Envy51: Census are very important to our future.....IMO ...... The census is the key stone to building an infrastructure to support future building of public buildings etc., and to documnent a history of ourselves for archival records for the generations to come. Hi A
I musta missed something do u seriously think the census influenced such things they havent used it to do anything since the last census
the government doesn't know what infrastructure is 15 yrs ago in Poland a country that is impoverished in many ways as we were 30 yrs ago however you could push a wheelchair on and off buses any where there u cant do that here in a lot of places despite the poverty they had infa-structure they didnt need a a census to do that they have a more common sense approach
what has changed here we built and built and built and built and built oh and did I say built and the banks took the country to its knees from all the loans it made
was it the last census informed that sure wasnt there all sorts of people telling the government etc the bubble would burst and what did they do ........ oh they kept going and going and going and going oh and did I say going
and the bubble burst now how did that happen
if i thought for one moment that the census would help to improve this country id be knocking on everyones door to do it
it will tell us how many people are in the country NOT we already know some people wont fill them out tell lies disappear til its over
it will tell us how many children are due to start primary school next september but will we get more teachers , smaller classrooms NOT
NOBLONDEHERE: I musta missed something do u seriously think the census influenced such things they havent used it to do anything since the last census
the government doesn't know what infrastructure is 15 yrs ago in Poland a country that is impoverished in many ways as we were 30 yrs ago however you could push a wheelchair on and off buses any where there u cant do that here in a lot of places despite the poverty they had infa-structure they didnt need a a census to do that they have a more common sense approach what has changed here we built and built and built and built and built oh and did I say built and the banks took the country to its knees from all the loans it made
was it the last census informed that sure wasnt there all sorts of people telling the government etc the bubble would burst and what did they do ........ oh they kept going and going and going and going oh and did I say going
and the bubble burst now how did that happen
if i thought for one moment that the census would help to improve this country id be knocking on everyones door to do it
it will tell us how many people are in the country NOT we already know some people wont fill them out tell lies disappear til its over
it will tell us how many children are due to start primary school next september but will we get more teachers , smaller classrooms NOT
SHALL I GO ON
No................... but while you make a good point about our public transport and older public buildings not being wheelchair accessaible all new buldings are wheelchair accessible. The money is not there to put into schools, hospitals etc., but how would we know how many new schools or teachers were needed without a census..........
eh correct me if im wrong we had a census 10 yrs ago
we knew a lot more about the children who were attending and about to attend school and this was in the decade of the celtic tiger
so can you explain why 1 in four children are leaving the primary school system with a reading age of 7 and less
can you explain why when they know the number of disabled children including I might add children in the severe and profound range of disability ( the latter who i might add our wise and wonderful state only decided needed to be educated in the last 15 yrs)have less supports in classroom now and in the celtic tiger yrs were only beginning to redress the balance
this is not about money it is about lack of commitment to the children in our state
over 50% of our young teenager in the lower socio economic group are leaving school with out any educational achievement
and are even less likely to get employment and the cycle perpetuates itself
it doesn't matter if we know the figures it has no bearing on what how this state Acts
in 200 yrs time your great great grandchildren will be able to find u and where u live that is assuming the address is correct because if it is incorrect there is no faciltiy to change it
just an observation
i wish what you were saying was true with all my heart
and I beg to differ with you about modern buildings being wheelchair accessible barriers to inclusion are still very prevalent nationwide you should sit in a wheelchair for a day and see where you can get in and out of modern or old bldgs alike it is better than it used to be but it has soem way to go to be perfect
I really can't see why people have a problem with filling in a census form. People have done it in nearly ever country in the world for hundreds of years.
Whether it makes a difference to infrastructure, health or eduction is really only a "by the way" kind of thing.
At the end of the day it's a constitutional requirement.... and it's only a bit of form filling.
NOBLONDEHERE: eh correct me if im wrong we had a census 10 yrs ago we knew a lot more about the children who were attending and about to attend school and this was in the decade of the celtic tiger
so can you explain why 1 in four children are leaving the primary school system with a reading age of 7 and less
can you explain why when they know the number of disabled children including I might add children in the severe and profound range of disability ( the latter who i might add our wise and wonderful state only decided needed to be educated in the last 15 yrs)have less supports in classroom now and in the celtic tiger yrs were only beginning to redress the balance
this is not about money it is about lack of commitment to the children in our state
over 50% of our young teenager in the lower socio economic group are leaving school with out any educational achievement
and are even less likely to get employment and the cycle perpetuates itself
it doesn't matter if we know the figures it has no bearing on what how this state Acts
in 200 yrs time your great great grandchildren will be able to find u and where u live that is assuming the address is correct because if it is incorrect there is no faciltiy to change it just an observation
i wish what you were saying was true with all my heart
and I beg to differ with you about modern buildings being wheelchair accessible barriers to inclusion are still very prevalent nationwide you should sit in a wheelchair for a day and see where you can get in and out of modern or old bldgs alike it is better than it used to be but it has soem way to go to be perfect
I hear what you are saying.......... but what relevence does it have to filling out a census form As Wexie said "census are done the world over every ten years". In an ideal world we would be able to take the information that the census provides and act on it, but you can not build a house without bricks and mortar even with the finest set of plans or in the case of Ireland without money
The standard of education levels today bears no relevence to the census whatsoever ...........!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you believe that the cutbacks that are in force across the board have nothing to do with money you are not living in the same Ireland as i am. The commitment to better the needs of people is there, but the means to do it is sadly not.
Envy51: http://www.census.ie/_uploads/docume...amp_-_2011.pdf check out the third paragraph on the left hand side !!!!!!!
e=Sativa_Soul]It's mine aswell and I won't be try living within the law of your country then. You have a legal obligation to partake in the census. If you think you are above the law then.......... no point in this conversation, as another poster said a 25K fine would and could speak louder than any words from the like of me can
Trust me Sativa has access to members who know about the census and how to go about the census in a manner that wont get her slapped with that fine.
Technically there are only four questions that you legally have to answer after that no court can fine you.
THE CENTRAL STATISTICS OFFICE has criticised as “irresponsible” claims that a company it has contracted to help with the processing of Census 2011 provided interrogation services at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison.
CACI UK was awarded the contract by the CSO “for census printing and data capture services”, services it previously provided for the 2002 and 2006 censuses.
However, an online petition has been posted which urges the CSO to cancel its contract with CACI UK on the basis that its parent company, CACI International, “interrogated people detained without charge at Abu Ghraib”.
Full article:
CSO calls criticism of Census 2011 contractor “irresponsible” · TheJournal
Cugglycorkonian: Trust me Sativa has access to members who know about the census and how to go about the census in a manner that wont get her slapped with that fine. Technically there are only four questions that you legally have to answer after that no court can fine you.
She might pop on and enlighten those like herself who does not want to fill out their census forms how to break the law (or is it just a wee bending job she will be doing on it) without being caught !!!!!!!!
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Where is there any assumption about time? As regards not working in a set location, as a rep or truck driver perhaps, I would presume that people who work in such jobs are not of a huge amount of use in statistical terms. The information which is gathered is to aid planning and can realistically only take patterns into account...