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May 5, 2011 12:31 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
Conrad73: http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/poverty.htmlI never had much!
Sometimes even less than that!
But I have never believed that this entitled me to a mortgage on someone elses Life!Poverty

If concern for human poverty and suffering were one’s primary motive, one would seek to discover their cause. One would not fail to ask: Why did some nations develop, while others did not? Why have some nations achieved material abundance, while others have remained stagnant in subhuman misery? History and, specifically, the unprecedented prosperity-explosion of the nineteenth century, would give an immediate answer: capitalism is the only system that enables men to produce abundance—and the key to capitalism is individual freedom.


What if ALL of that was just a smoke screen?
What if the alleged freedom has the walls closing in on it?
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May 5, 2011 12:36 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
optomistic68
optomistic68optomistic68Craigavon, Antrim Ireland23 Threads 826 Posts
Mystyr: non of these s are going to watch anything because they are international paid agendanists, keeping the disinformation thriving....OR, they really are just stupid and self absorbed

you decide


I would like to think they are paid International Agendanists but then again...certainly one or the other. Before ever I came on Here I noticed a few names that kept cropping up.

I had a similar experience on twitter with the Israeli Hasbara.wave
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May 5, 2011 12:40 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
EagleWoman: Sounds like you deserve every dollar to your name!! Glad you were able to do so through hard work.

My "indignation" started with your queries about my knowledge of poverty ...

We can agree on something else: We do have different perspectives


I think you misunderstood because I neither know nor assumed what you do or don't know about poverty. I know people used to starve to death in the mud that passed for streets not so long ago and today they don't. Not in my country and not in yours. And I do know a little bit about the threat of real hunger and starvation. Did I mention that my aunt and uncle lived in the moutains of West Virginia and in the early 70's still had no electricity, no running water and were at the mercy of the bounty of their crops and subsitence hunting every year. Potatoes in the root cellar were their staple for the winter. Potatoes they grew and dug from their own garden. No vehicle. No store within a half day's walk and that store was the most pitiful excuse for a store you can possibly imagine.

Did I mention that my grandparents live in Cuba in a house with a dirt floor and no windows? That lunch for my father was a glass of water with sugar? That at night, the water gets cut off and you scrape the ants off the water bowl before pouring a glass if you get thirsty in the middle of the night?

So I wouldn't assume anyone does or doesn't know about poverty, but I know for a fact that I know something about it.
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May 5, 2011 12:41 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
optomistic68: Here are two guys that contributed to the Cocking-up of America and they ain't POOR


Wow!!! Thanks for this video Optimistic!!!

Fits right in!!! thumbs up
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May 5, 2011 12:42 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
David Icke made a very good point on the education system ...thumbs up
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May 5, 2011 12:43 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
Snuggs09: Hi Eagle....I watched about 20 minutes. Coincidentally, I just finished reading a book called "The Prometheus Deception" by Robert Ludlum which relates very, very much to this video.


That sounds really interesting Snuggs! Thanks for sharing the title so peeps can get it if they want to thumbs up

Would you share with us a bit about the book?
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May 5, 2011 12:44 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
optomistic68
optomistic68optomistic68Craigavon, Antrim Ireland23 Threads 826 Posts
EagleWoman: Wow!!! Thanks for this video Optimistic!!!

Fits right in!!!


Thank you.wine

Have you seen the other Videos Like Wake Up by Peter Joseph.?
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May 5, 2011 12:45 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
gardenhackle: Then maybe we're talking about two different governments.


May be but if all governments have a body of people that governs them then it all stems from the top
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May 5, 2011 12:45 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
EagleWoman: What if ALL of that was just a smoke screen?
What if the alleged freedom has the walls closing in on it?


I can't speak for Conrad, but there is nowhere for you to go with "what if?". If you want to make an argument, you have to state your case because "what if" neither has nor warrants response. It's not a statement to rebut or a fact to take into consideration.

I could ask "What if everything was around you is a complete illusion as a result of an LSD trip after someone put drugs in your drink?". And there's no appropriate or meaningful response to that except maybe "what if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle".
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May 5, 2011 12:47 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
optomistic68
optomistic68optomistic68Craigavon, Antrim Ireland23 Threads 826 Posts
Boban1: David Icke made a very good point on the education system ...


Good for you for watching the video. Others could not be bothered but insist on shouting their speel from a height...you know who you areprofessor
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May 5, 2011 12:50 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
optomistic68
optomistic68optomistic68Craigavon, Antrim Ireland23 Threads 826 Posts
gardenhackle: I can't speak for Conrad, but there is nowhere for you to go with "what if?". If you want to make an argument, you have to state your case because "what if" neither has nor warrants response. It's not a statement to rebut or a fact to take into consideration.

I could ask "What if everything was around you is a complete illusion as a result of an LSD trip after someone put drugs in your drink?". And there's no appropriate or meaningful response to that except maybe "what if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle".


Now there is a word I came across when dealing with the Israeli Hasbara.

What would the American Equivalent of Hasbara be?
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May 5, 2011 12:55 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
Snuggs09
Snuggs09Snuggs09Somewhere, New Jersey USA128 Threads 1 Polls 2,615 Posts
optomistic68: Good for you for watching the video. Others could not be bothered but insist on shouting their speel from a height...you know who you are


Now, now Opto....I watched about 20 minutes of the video and when I thought it was a scare tactic, I stopped watching.

Years ago when I saw the movie George Orwell's "1984" I thought, "nah, that's never gonna happen" and I was wrong. There are video cameras all around us. We are being watched by satellite at this very moment. If it wasn't for those satellites that SOB would still be alive.

This Wake Up Call might prove to be right someday, but for now I'm going to live with the freedom I have, deal with the government I have and hope that there is a better tomorrow.

"Hope" is a real thing. handshake
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May 5, 2011 12:56 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
Mystyr
MystyrMystyrSpringfield, Missouri USA14 Threads 1 Polls 496 Posts
gardenhackle: I can't speak for Conrad, but there is nowhere for you to go with "what if?". If you want to make an argument, you have to state your case because "what if" neither has nor warrants response. It's not a statement to rebut or a fact to take into consideration.

I could ask "What if everything was around you is a complete illusion as a result of an LSD trip after someone put drugs in your drink?". And there's no appropriate or meaningful response to that except maybe "what if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle".


people who use lsd have profound reality exposure and they can either understand the information or choose to be entertained, lsd is a mind expansion drug and has been used in government and educational think tanks the world over.

everyone should open their minds at least once to get a more complete picture wink
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May 5, 2011 12:59 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
gardenhackle: I think you misunderstood because I neither know nor assumed what you do or don't know about poverty. I know people used to starve to death in the mud that passed for streets not so long ago and today they don't. Not in my country and not in yours. And I do know a little bit about the threat of real hunger and starvation. Did I mention that my aunt and uncle lived in the moutains of West Virginia and in the early 70's still had no electricity, no running water and were at the mercy of the bounty of their crops and subsitence hunting every year. Potatoes in the root cellar were their staple for the winter. Potatoes they grew and dug from their own garden. No vehicle. No store within a half day's walk and that store was the most pitiful excuse for a store you can possibly imagine.

Did I mention that my grandparents live in Cuba in a house with a dirt floor and no windows? That lunch for my father was a glass of water with sugar? That at night, the water gets cut off and you scrape the ants off the water bowl before pouring a glass if you get thirsty in the middle of the night?

So I wouldn't assume anyone does or doesn't know about poverty, but I know for a fact that I know something about it.


For my grandparents in the south of Spain same as your aunt & uncle and grandparents. Apart from the pitiful store which was only a few minutes walk away. Was still like that in late 70's early 80's.

Things started improving a little after the mid 70's when the dictator passed away.
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May 5, 2011 12:59 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts


don`t pay attention to the subtitle ...
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May 5, 2011 12:59 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
optomistic68
optomistic68optomistic68Craigavon, Antrim Ireland23 Threads 826 Posts
Snuggs09: Now, now Opto....I watched about 20 minutes of the video and when I thought it was a scare tactic, I stopped watching.

Years ago when I saw the movie George Orwell's "1984" I thought, "nah, that's never gonna happen" and I was wrong. There are video cameras all around us. We are being watched by satellite at this very moment. If it wasn't for those satellites that SOB would still be alive.

This Wake Up Call might prove to be right someday, but for now I'm going to live with the freedom I have, deal with the government I have and hope that there is a better tomorrow.

"Hope" is a real thing.


Which video are you talking about. I put up another video which I shouldn't really have done..Addendum 2.wave handshake
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May 5, 2011 1:00 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
Boban1: David Icke made a very good point on the education system ...


Yes it makes a lot of sense
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May 5, 2011 1:03 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
gardenhackle: I can't speak for Conrad, but there is nowhere for you to go with "what if?". If you want to make an argument, you have to state your case because "what if" neither has nor warrants response. It's not a statement to rebut or a fact to take into consideration.

I could ask "What if everything was around you is a complete illusion as a result of an LSD trip after someone put drugs in your drink?". And there's no appropriate or meaningful response to that except maybe "what if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle".


The argument is made in the video you didn't watch
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May 5, 2011 1:04 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
Today we are the first generation with the technology available to fulfil such a prophecy of a "cashless" society.

At present, in this supermarket there are a number of ways I can pay for this shopping--I can use cash, or I can write a check, or pay by credit card.

...or another way that is being promoted so much today is using a debit card. When you give your debit card to the cashier the card is run through a scanner which is electronically linked to your bank & the money is immediately taken out of your bank account and placed in the store's account.--All in a split second.

Debit cards have already been introduced in many parts of the world & are extremely popular with stores, banks & customers.

Then there's the "IC Card" or the "Smart Card", which actually has a little computer chip embedded in the card. You've probably read about these electronic marvels that not only give you access to your bank account, but also contains your passport, medical record, driver's license, photographs, welfare eligibility and all kinds of other data. These are already being tested in various parts of the world.

... So you can see we are fast on the way to eliminating cash--and there are many compelling reasons why. Cash is the very mother's milk of drug smugglers, who often deal in cash a suitcase full at a time. With no cash the sale of illegal drugs would cease. In fact to eliminate cash would eliminate almost every kind of criminal activity, from theft to terrorism, and be an instant cure-all for many of the World's most desperate social & economic ills. No wonder governments are pushing towards the cashless society with unrestrained enthusiasm.

However, before cash, cheques & credit cards can be phased out completely, they have to develop an identification system that is absolutely foolproof & will ensure that a person presenting a card for a transaction is actually the owner of that card.

Various foolproof ID systems have already been developed, like this fingerprint reader. However the only problem with these machines is that they are extremely expensive. For a completely cashless society to work, there would have to be one at every little shop & retail outlet where anything is bought & sold.

Whereas these identification terminals cost many thousands of dollars each, the actual micro-chips encased in the plastic "smart cards" cost only a few dollars each So what if you took the chip out of the card & placed it under the skin?

Once the chip has been implanted it can be read by an inexpensive scanner, much like the one in your local grocery store. So, you now become your own smart card!--And the very expensive problem of making sure that the owner of the card is who he says he is, has been solved.

Today the technology for just such an implant not only exists, but is being tested in pilot programs all over the world. A tiny microchip which can be read by a scanner is inserted into a spot below the animal's skin. "Infopet" in California boast the ability to keep track of 4 billion cats & dogs worldwide. This technology has proven that keeping track of large populations through implants & centralized computer data banks is completely feasible.

So as we can see the technology & the public acceptance to make the Mark of the Beast system work is rapidly falling into place...Already we are constantly hearing about the "New World Order", or "global community", & these buzz slogans are slowly sinking in as the world heads towards an international financial and political system, a cashless society controlled by a computer data base that covers the entire globe, keeping track of every man, woman & child, where they cross borders & when they buy & sell--exactly like the one predicted in Revelation chapter 13 nearly 2,000 years ago!
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May 5, 2011 1:05 PM CST WAKE UP CALL
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
Snuggs09: Now, now Opto....I watched about 20 minutes of the video and when I thought it was a scare tactic, I stopped watching.

Years ago when I saw the movie George Orwell's "1984" I thought, "nah, that's never gonna happen" and I was wrong. There are video cameras all around us. We are being watched by satellite at this very moment. If it wasn't for those satellites that SOB would still be alive.

This Wake Up Call might prove to be right someday, but for now I'm going to live with the freedom I have, deal with the government I have and hope that there is a better tomorrow.

"Hope" is a real thing.


Thanks for taking part in this debate and voicing what you choose
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