Financial infidelity (86)

May 16, 2011 7:14 AM CST Financial infidelity
normalguy68
normalguy68normalguy68Wonthaggi, Victoria Australia62 Threads 15 Polls 1,829 Posts
Shell225: my sister and her husband of 15 years have separate bank accounts, debts everything, even to the point of halving the grocery bill.

Initially he was still married - just separated, and as my sister is a hard working woman she didnt feel like sharing any of her money with his ex wife when the divorce and child support came around.

Then as my brother in law is self employed, its her way of protecting her assests, should the business ever fail, and its easier for them to get finance in her name, then go through the rig - marole of banks and businesses.

It works for them. Although she is one of those women who admits .. whats hers is hers, whats his is hers... unless something needs to be fixed then she expects him to pay half.
Some of the pensioner couples are like that who come in, don't give her the change, that's my money, how childish. What a horrible way to live your life.
May 16, 2011 7:16 AM CST Financial infidelity
normalguy68
normalguy68normalguy68Wonthaggi, Victoria Australia62 Threads 15 Polls 1,829 Posts
redozichick: Own bank accounts for me
I blieve this is a single mindset, if you want to be in a partnership, all things being equal, separate bank accounts causes friction especially considering one person may earn more than the other.
May 16, 2011 7:17 AM CST Financial infidelity
Wysterious
WysteriousWysteriousPerth, Western Australia Australia6 Threads 1,707 Posts
normalguy68: Some of the pensioner couples are like that who come in, don't give her the change, that's my money, how childish. What a horrible way to live your life.
Normal - you are so closed minded - my dad always had his little bank account and my mum had her - they had a joint one too - but every bit of money my dad earned from his art work - or from a lotto win - he always gave half to my mum - he spent his on bits for his model railway while mum saved hers - she paid for his funeral with her savings
May 16, 2011 7:18 AM CST Financial infidelity
redozichick
redozichickredozichickBrisbane, Queensland Australia2 Threads 3,934 Posts
normalguy68: I blieve this is a single mindset, if you want to be in a partnership, all things being equal, separate bank accounts causes friction especially considering one person may earn more than the other.
Just because I would have my own bank account doesn't mean I wouldn't sharewine I've only had one live in boyfriend and we had separate accounts and it worked well
May 16, 2011 7:21 AM CST Financial infidelity
normalguy68
normalguy68normalguy68Wonthaggi, Victoria Australia62 Threads 15 Polls 1,829 Posts
kizzy27: Hi Normal , this is a serious question and one I asked myself after my husband and father of my children emptied our accounts sold our assets to his brother 18 months prior to shafting us and leaving with nothing except ofcourse a credit card which he had charged everything on in my name ofcourse .....
That was 6 yrs ago
I now have bought a house have a new car and savings .I will nevaer again place trust of my finacial affairs in the hands of anyone but myself .
If I meet a man he will have to be self suficient
hes not getting his hands on anything ive got !
Thats not to say I wouldnt happily work together for thingswe wish to share just not my assets they are not for shares .
a pre-nuptial?
May 16, 2011 7:24 AM CST Financial infidelity
Shell225
Shell225Shell225Brisbane, Queensland Australia26 Threads 8,572 Posts
normalguy68: No wondr why he's your ex, with friends like that, who needs enemies?
This situation you mention happens to blokes too where the wife gambles or whatever else, blows the rest of the cash. You'll usually find there will be a responsible person and a frivolous person in every relationship.


confused you make no sense. what are you referring to, and what did his ex wifes bad behaviour have to do with my relationship with him??
May 16, 2011 11:49 PM CST Financial infidelity
akaRALF
akaRALFakaRALFBacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia11 Threads 1,360 Posts
normalguy68: No wondr why he's your ex, with friends like that, who needs enemies?
This situation you mention happens to blokes too where the wife gambles or whatever else, blows the rest of the cash. You'll usually find there will be a responsible person and a frivolous person in every relationship.


So why should the responsible one have to take the burden of the frivolous one and not be able to save their own cash? Just leave it in a joint account for the frivolous one to squander?? Been there, done that, never again.
May 17, 2011 12:44 AM CST Financial infidelity
Ireadalot
IreadalotIreadalotLaunceston, Tasmania Australia3 Threads 103 Posts
akaRALF: So why should the responsible one have to take the burden of the frivolous one and not be able to save their own cash? Just leave it in a joint account for the frivolous one to squander?? Been there, done that, never again.


thumbs up thumbs up
Exactly. Seems like its all us ladies here who have born the brunt of the frivolous one- I've been caught (newborn in arms) with no way to pay for the groceries too, while my ex lived it up playing golf and drinking, never mind he had no job for more than 2 months at a stretch and never paid a bill for anything, ever.

Once bitten, twice shy.scold
May 17, 2011 3:14 AM CST Financial infidelity
normalguy68
normalguy68normalguy68Wonthaggi, Victoria Australia62 Threads 15 Polls 1,829 Posts
akaRALF: So why should the responsible one have to take the burden of the frivolous one and not be able to save their own cash? Just leave it in a joint account for the frivolous one to squander?? Been there, done that, never again.
you can be as frugal as you like akaRalk, for richer or poorer, you're saying you don't trust your partner. Trust and lack of it is one of the big reasons couples break up.
May 17, 2011 4:50 AM CST Financial infidelity
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
normalguy68: you can be as frugal as you like akaRalk, for richer or poorer, you're saying you don't trust your partner. Trust and lack of it is one of the big reasons couples break up.


well in practice, if my Mum had not have had her own savings seperate from the business account my parents never would have kept the house and land.
My father in running the business racked up an overdraft, the bank then wanted to foreclose. The house was collateral.
My mothers savings stopped the foreclosure.

It wasnt a matter of trust, but it was the money from my mothers mums estate, so as a family I am happy that Mum had that seperate account or with 4 kids under the age of 10 our family would have been without home and land and business.

The way I look at it we go into a relationship as individuals, the relationship itself becomes an "individual" of sorts, but does that mean we have to lose our own self to become something "else"? that we have to surrender everything to the new "individual"?

How finances should or shouldnt be set up should be up to the individuals involved and what they decide is right for them. What is right for one is definitely not the way other people would like things to be.
May 17, 2011 5:01 AM CST Financial infidelity
normalguy68
normalguy68normalguy68Wonthaggi, Victoria Australia62 Threads 15 Polls 1,829 Posts
jem1964: well in practice, if my Mum had not have had her own savings seperate from the business account my parents never would have kept the house and land.
My father in running the business racked up an overdraft, the bank then wanted to foreclose. The house was collateral.
My mothers savings stopped the foreclosure.

It wasnt a matter of trust, but it was the money from my mothers mums estate, so as a family I am happy that Mum had that seperate account or with 4 kids under the age of 10 our family would have been without home and land and business.

The way I look at it we go into a relationship as individuals, the relationship itself becomes an "individual" of sorts, but does that mean we have to lose our own self to become something "else"? that we have to surrender everything to the new "individual"?

How finances should or shouldnt be set up should be up to the individuals involved and what they decide is right for them. What is right for one is definitely not the way other people would like things to be.
now of a couple who were so untrusting of the other person that they eventually started holidaying on their own, had their own secret stashes and the guy had a storage container at a mates that he would buy a new lot of goodies - tools, stereos, etc... one day his wife found out about it and that was the end of their relationship.
It's really no way to live your life in fear of your partners financial prowess. You're not allowing your body, spirit and being the chance to merge with your new partner and watch the resultant action blossom like it should.
Anyway, are you saying you're only going to go out with a loser who's no good with money?
May 17, 2011 5:08 AM CST Financial infidelity
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
normalguy68: now of a couple who were so untrusting of the other person that they eventually started holidaying on their own, had their own secret stashes and the guy had a storage container at a mates that he would buy a new lot of goodies - tools, stereos, etc... one day his wife found out about it and that was the end of their relationship.
It's really no way to live your life in fear of your partners financial prowess. You're not allowing your body, spirit and being the chance to merge with your new partner and watch the resultant action blossom like it should.
Anyway, are you saying you're only going to go out with a loser who's no good with money?



read what I wrote again Normal, my parents seperate accounts were not from lack of trust, my father would not allow my mother to put "her" money into the joint account as it was all she had left from her mum.

You do what is right for you, coz I know for sure that what is right for you isnt not right for everyone.

I never wrote anything about fear.

I wrote about a reality, without separate finances our family would have been destitute, totally.

And what and whom I plan to spend the rest of my life with and what that person is like or capable of is none of your business.
May 17, 2011 5:14 AM CST Financial infidelity
normalguy68
normalguy68normalguy68Wonthaggi, Victoria Australia62 Threads 15 Polls 1,829 Posts
jem1964: read what I wrote again Normal, my parents seperate accounts were not from lack of trust, my father would not allow my mother to put "her" money into the joint account as it was all she had left from her mum.

You do what is right for you, coz I know for sure that what is right for you isnt not right for everyone.

I never wrote anything about fear.

I wrote about a reality, without separate finances our family would have been destitute, totally.

And what and whom I plan to spend the rest of my life with and what that person is like or capable of is none of your business.
Seems you use this as your argument when you are not able to win the debate, face it, you lost.
May 17, 2011 5:27 AM CST Financial infidelity
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
normalguy68: Seems you use this as your argument when you are not able to win the debate, face it, you lost.


how can writing about a truth, a reality, be a losing arguement Normal?

You seem to be the one who needs always to have the last word even if you have no argument to come back with, just trying to put someone down.

You are free to demand of your partner that she must be free of piercings, tattoos, that she shouldnt participate in facebook or other social networking sites, and must withdraw from all forums online in case she forms a relationship with someone else and that she must submit all her worldly goods unto the "marriage" with you.
Good for you, that is what you want, but just coz it is right for you doesnt mean that others think the same.

I dont and never will place the same expectations on someone as you, I will accept the person I see before me and make my decision if they are right or wrong for me on who they are, not what they are not, nor my preconception or who they might be.
May 17, 2011 5:33 AM CST Financial infidelity
normalguy68
normalguy68normalguy68Wonthaggi, Victoria Australia62 Threads 15 Polls 1,829 Posts
jem1964: how can writing about a truth, a reality, be a losing arguement Normal?

You seem to be the one who needs always to have the last word even if you have no argument to come back with, just trying to put someone down.

You are free to demand of your partner that she must be free of piercings, tattoos, that she shouldnt participate in facebook or other social networking sites, and must withdraw from all forums online in case she forms a relationship with someone else and that she must submit all her worldly goods unto the "marriage" with you.
Good for you, that is what you want, but just coz it is right for you doesnt mean that others think the same.

I dont and never will place the same expectations on someone as you, I will accept the person I see before me and make my decision if they are right or wrong for me on who they are, not what they are not, nor my preconception or who they might be.
And this is why we're both single still? Seems you have high standards too, or you would have been hitched up already seeing as you're in a lot more social situations than I am.
May 17, 2011 5:37 AM CST Financial infidelity
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
normalguy68: And this is why we're both single still? Seems you have high standards too, or you would have been hitched up already seeing as you're in a lot more social situations than I am.

I am single coz I chose to be, for what ever reason.

And again, my love life, lack of it, or the multitude of it is none of your business.


good luck in finding what you want
May 17, 2011 5:48 AM CST Financial infidelity
normalguy68
normalguy68normalguy68Wonthaggi, Victoria Australia62 Threads 15 Polls 1,829 Posts
jem1964: I am single coz I chose to be, for what ever reason.

And again, my love life, lack of it, or the multitude of it is none of your business. good luck in finding what you want
You're good at dealing it out jem. I wasn't talking about your parents, but you can put words into my mouth. I'm just seeing it as I see it. I could use that argument with whoever I end up with, ummmmm, can't share my stash or income in case you are a loser, gambler, dreamer, not frugal etc, etc... But if you play your cards right, I may give you a bonus though if you play your cards right. gimme a break!
I personally do not see a relationship built on a lack of trust going very far at all.
May 17, 2011 8:03 AM CST Financial infidelity
akaRALF
akaRALFakaRALFBacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia11 Threads 1,360 Posts
normalguy68: you can be as frugal as you like akaRalk, for richer or poorer, you're saying you don't trust your partner. Trust and lack of it is one of the big reasons couples break up.


Actually money rates highly the top of things couples fight about. If a partnership had a kitty for the household expenses then their own funds to with what they wish, it would reduce the strain on the financial responsibilities. Hard to trust a partner who consistently betrays your household finances too, so when it comes to money seems it is a no win situation with you. You either don't trust them because they spend the household kitty or you don't trust them because they have their own money.

I am starting to wonder if you really ever do want another serious relationship because you keep coming up with excuses not to trust anyone. dunno
May 17, 2011 9:24 AM CST Financial infidelity
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
kizzy27: Hi Normal , this is a serious question and one I asked myself after my husband and father of my children emptied our accounts sold our assets to his brother 18 months prior to shafting us and leaving with nothing except ofcourse a credit card which he had charged everything on in my name ofcourse .....
That was 6 yrs ago
I now have bought a house have a new car and savings .I will nevaer again place trust of my finacial affairs in the hands of anyone but myself .
If I meet a man he will have to be self suficient
hes not getting his hands on anything ive got !
Thats not to say I wouldnt happily work together for thingswe wish to share just not my assets they are not for shares .


Do you realise that due to the laws if you live with someone for a few years he can sue you for what you brought into the relationship? I think these laws should be modified, so whatever people bring into a relationship can also take out. It is totally unfair that someone after a few years living with you can have a big slice. I heard quite a few stories.

I think last year or before a new law came in that gave rights for mistresses also, so they could demand financial support from blokes. This should work both ways. So people, I think we all better off staying alone :-)
May 17, 2011 9:34 AM CST Financial infidelity
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
revealer24: Do you realise that due to the laws if you live with someone for a few years he can sue you for what you brought into the relationship? I think these laws should be modified, so whatever people bring into a relationship can also take out. It is totally unfair that someone after a few years living with you can have a big slice. I heard quite a few stories.

I think last year or before a new law came in that gave rights for mistresses also, so they could demand financial support from blokes. This should work both ways. So people, I think we all better off staying alone :-)
isn’t there a prenuptial agreement, or is this just a US law?
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