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May 29, 2011 9:44 PM CST Your opinion (origin of religion)
wayward19
wayward19wayward19Vancouver, British Columbia Canada35 Threads 117 Posts
According to Dr. Larry Falls, religion implies the existence of some power or powers governing the whole universe, including humanity, possessing the ability to make decisions with unlimited power, in all places at all times, and capable of being influenced by human acts, sacrifices, respect and prayer. It was believed that the worship of these powers or gods was superior to all things. Later, a new doctrine was developed and implied that God is not a personality, but all laws, forces, and manifestations,or pure metaphysic. It was also taken for granted that the idea of admoration and worship of these powers was superior to all things. The means whereby the powers or god could reveal his capabilities were limited by human imagination.

500 years later Muhammed altered the Christian doctrine to invent the modern Koran.
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May 30, 2011 5:35 AM CST Your opinion (origin of religion)
scottyburd
scottyburdscottyburdglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK6,016 Posts
Religion does not interest me in the slightest..cheers
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Jun 2, 2011 3:17 AM CST Your opinion (origin of religion)
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
God gene



The God gene hypothesis proposes that human beings inherit a set of genes that predisposes them towards spiritual or mystic experiences. The idea has been postulated by geneticist Dean Hamer, the director of the Gene Structure and Regulation Unit at the U.S. National Cancer Institute, who has written a book on the subject titled, The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into our Genes.

The God gene hypothesis is based on a combination of behavioral genetic, neurobiological and psychological studies. The major arguments of the theory are: (1) spirituality can be quantified by psychometric measurements; (2) the underlying tendency to spirituality is partially heritable; (3) part of this heritability can be attributed to the gene VMAT2; (4) this gene acts by altering monoamine levels; and (5) spiritual individuals are favored by natural selection because they are provided with an innate sense of optimism, the latter producing positive effects at either a physical and psychological level.
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Jun 5, 2011 9:37 AM CST Your opinion (origin of religion)
IgorFrankensteen
IgorFrankensteenIgorFrankensteenSpringfield, Virginia USA63 Posts
As one who has studied history fairly extensively, and humans as creatures even more, I go along with the idea that RELIGIONS (as opposed to BELIEF IN GOD OR GODS) were developed in exactly the same way that we developed everything else we have done.
I think it started with a few thoughts based on attempts to explain what happened in peoples' lives, and was talked about for a while, before someone pointed out that whatever WAS thought to be true, ought to be used to guide the group. Just as knowledge of how to find reliable sources of food and water and shelter were used to guide the group, so too would conclusions about things that could not be seen, but only deduced.
From there, it branched off in predictable ways: some thought a vague knowledge of common beliefs sufficient to allow one to get through life with reasonable success was enough, some thought it was critical to be VERY specific about it all, some came to be thought of as specialists in the area, and some realized that such beliefs could be used to control and/or protect the group. Religions more or less "cooked out" of all that sort of thing.
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Jun 5, 2011 9:45 AM CST Your opinion (origin of religion)
IgorFrankensteen
IgorFrankensteenIgorFrankensteenSpringfield, Virginia USA63 Posts
I actually have a sort of 'thought experiment'/joke I conjured about the night religion was born:

An exhausted father, trying desperately to get some sleep in the family cave, was pestered by wide awake youngsters making all sorts of squeals and fusses (as youngsters are wont to do). he tried yelling at them to shut up, he tried threatening to smack them (but they ignored that, since they knew by then that he was too tire to actually get up, or he would have smacked them already). When all that failed, he told them a story. That there was an invisible being, who WOULD come and get them, even if HE wouldn't, and that this invisible being was all powerful and all knowing (so the dad ALSO didn't have to figure out WHICH child was the instigator of the trouble).
I figure that the first time a loud noise, or a flash of light happened outside the cave, that he blamed THAT on the invisible being, and thus "proved" to the kids they needed to shut the frick up.

And from there, was eventually built, the Vatican.
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Jun 5, 2011 10:25 AM CST Your opinion (origin of religion)
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
Lewis Wolpert, with yet another theory, posits that religion developed once hominids understood cause and effect, which allowed them to make complex tools. Once they started to make causal connections, they felt compelled to explain life's mysteries. Their brains, in essence, turned into "belief engines"

This still serves modern man today as he develops modern weaponry to kill, and all in the name of "religion" roll eyes
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Jun 5, 2011 10:57 AM CST Your opinion (origin of religion)
IgorFrankensteen: I actually have a sort of 'thought experiment'/joke I conjured about the night religion was born:

An exhausted father, trying desperately to get some sleep in the family cave, was pestered by wide awake youngsters making all sorts of squeals and fusses (as youngsters are wont to do). he tried yelling at them to shut up, he tried threatening to smack them (but they ignored that, since they knew by then that he was too tire to actually get up, or he would have smacked them already). When all that failed, he told them a story. That there was an invisible being, who WOULD come and get them, even if HE wouldn't, and that this invisible being was all powerful and all knowing (so the dad ALSO didn't have to figure out WHICH child was the instigator of the trouble).
I figure that the first time a loud noise, or a flash of light happened outside the cave, that he blamed THAT on the invisible being, and thus "proved" to the kids they needed to shut the frick up.

And from there, was eventually built, the Vatican.
Very feasible scenario although somewhat too simple. I started an almost identical thread a few years back. Still no all encompassing answers though. Most likely many factors contributed to the origin of religion. I think mans awareness of his own death played a major role.

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Jun 5, 2011 11:02 AM CST Your opinion (origin of religion)
oracle7
oracle7oracle7Cape town, Western Cape South Africa2 Threads 81 Posts
Here it is againprofessor Religion is man’s subconscious recognition that there are more powerful forces then himself...for primitive man such a force was natures lightning.....but man had to personify these forces that were more powerful then him.....”a god is the result” but man the eternal hunter had to find a way of trying to manipulate this power.....”we shall serve this power and it will be good to us/do as we wish....”religion was born”
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Jun 5, 2011 11:37 AM CST Your opinion (origin of religion)
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
jvaski:
This still serves modern man today as he develops modern weaponry to kill, and all in the name of "religion"


Muslims have not developed many modern weapons so your contention is rather silly.
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Jun 5, 2011 9:50 PM CST Your opinion (origin of religion)
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
wayward19: According to Dr. Larry Falls, religion implies the existence of some power or powers governing the whole universe, including humanity, possessing the ability to make decisions with unlimited power, in all places at all times, and capable of being influenced by human acts, sacrifices, respect and prayer. It was believed that the worship of these powers or gods was superior to all things. Later, a new doctrine was developed and implied that God is not a personality, but all laws, forces, and manifestations,or pure metaphysic. It was also taken for granted that the idea of admoration and worship of these powers was superior to all things. The means whereby the powers or god could reveal his capabilities were limited by human imagination.

500 years later Muhammed altered the Christian doctrine to invent the modern Koran.
It implies also of a great volcano god where young innocent females were thrown off cliffs to keep this god happy. What has changed in this mentality? NOTHING! Its still about sacrifice… Jesus sacrifices himself and now its your turn to sacrifice yourself for Jesus…. pffffft doh
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