Is it really a Disease? ( Archived) (101)

Oct 19, 2006 9:49 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
mastic55
mastic55mastic55Long Island, New York USA167 Threads 6,859 Posts
Gambling , alcoholism , drugs. I know a disease is somthing that hurts the body. Drinking and drugs hurt the body but are self caused , gambling is also self caused but dont hurt the organs of the body. Do you think they are real diseases?
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Oct 19, 2006 9:50 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
Cancer is very often caused from smoking. Is it not a disease? Many diseases are caused from poor health and lifestyle choices.
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Oct 19, 2006 9:51 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
catwm
catwmcatwmSomewhere in the middle, Florida USA48 Threads 6,683 Posts
Yes.

They affect the body and also those that love and care about you.

Financial destruction can lead to suicide.
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Oct 19, 2006 9:52 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
Gambling dose hurt the body, You lose and dont pay the man and he will break you jaw.......
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Oct 19, 2006 9:52 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
They are addictions. Addiction is considered a disease.
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Oct 19, 2006 9:54 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
Lillyofthevalley
LillyofthevalleyLillyofthevalleySt John's, Newfoundland Canada38 Threads 3,152 Posts
No, I think they are symptoms of mental health issues. There may be physical components that leave one susceptible to addictive behaviors but the behaviors are symptomatic.
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Oct 19, 2006 9:59 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
optimystic
optimysticoptimysticIn, Washington USA10 Threads 327 Posts
I think they are as much diseases as obesity, just a lack of self control and personal responsibility.
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Oct 19, 2006 10:08 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
And all this coming from the bearded lady.
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Oct 19, 2006 10:09 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
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Oct 19, 2006 10:11 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
mastic55
mastic55mastic55Long Island, New York USA167 Threads 6,859 Posts
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Oct 19, 2006 10:11 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
izzyva
izzyvaizzyvaHighland Springs, Virginia USA7 Threads 2,070 Posts
I don't think they are diseases, That it's BS, Cancer, Diabettes, ETC, ETC, They are diseases, this are habits that people pick on their own terms. They are lame excuses.




El Diablo
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Oct 19, 2006 10:14 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
Some people have what's called an "addictive personality". It's the way they are wired. When they try something that gives them pleasure, they can't stop themselves from over doing it.
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Oct 19, 2006 10:51 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
Disease

A definite pathologic process with a characteristic set of signs and symptoms. It may affect the whole body or any of its parts, and its etiology, pathology, and prognosis may be known or unknown.

I don't think alcoholism is a disease, in and of itself, but it causes disease. Gambling is not a disease; it's an addiction. Or could be.

And whoever said mental illness is not a disease is dead wrong. They are discovering more and more pathological reasons for mental illness and a connection with the organic brain than they used to speculate, and it makes perfect sense. How can someone have something mentally wrong with them and not have some pathological or malfunctioning chemical process going on?
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Oct 19, 2006 11:12 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
Chele1964
Chele1964Chele1964Pittsboro, Indiana USA48 Threads 2,488 Posts
Obesity isn't always just a lack of self control. I have fought the weight issue all my life...and so has most of my family. I can diet, exercise, diet, starve myself half to death and still not lose the weight. Metabolism has alot to do with it as well...some have fast, some slow.

Why is it that some people can eat like a horse, not exercise much and still stay skinny as a rail? So therefore, is malfunction of metabolism a diease?

Yes, some people are fat because they eat all the time and are not choosy about what they put into their mouth....but some of us do everything we can with very little success. There is alot of discrimination against overweight people...not all are there for the same reason!
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Oct 19, 2006 11:32 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
From the American Obesity Association:

Obesity is a Chronic Disease

The American Obesity Association (AOA) believes that obesity is a disease. We want obesity understood by the health care community and patients as a serious disease of epidemic portions.

Why do we think obesity is a disease?

First, let's define our terms. Dictionaries agree: obesity is excess body fat. It is not defined as a behavior. However, many people use the term obesity as short-hand for overeating or lack of exercise. But that is not its definition.

Consider this: most people can distinguish between smoking and lung cancer. One is a behavior and one is a disease. Or problem drinking of alcohol and liver disease. One is a behavior and one is a disease. Sunbathing without protection is a behavior; skin cancer is a disease.

Second, obesity - the excess accumulation of body fat - fits all the definitions of "disease." How is "disease" defined? Most dictionaries, general as well as medical, define a disease as an interruption, cessation or disorder of a bodily function, organ or system. Obesity certainly fits this definition.

Some dictionaries have a more precise definition. Stedman's Medical Dictionary says that to be a disease it should have at least two of the following three features:

recognized etiologic agents
identifiable signs and symptoms, and,
consistent anatomical alterations.
The "recognized etiologic agents" for obesity include social, behavioral, cultural, physiological, metabolic and genetic factors.

The "identifiable signs and symptoms" of obesity include an excess accumulation of fat or adipose tissue, an increase in the size or number of fat cells, insulin resistance, increased glucose levels, increased blood pressure, elevated cholesterol and triglyceride levels, decreased levels of high-density lipoprotein and norepinephrine and alterations in the activity of the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. One is also likely to find shortness of breath and back pain.

The "consistent anatomic alteration" of obesity is the increase in body mass. Therefore, obesity meets all three of the dictionary criteria for disease.

For a medical description of obesity, see the Merck Manual.
Who Considers Obesity a Disease?

Obesity is recognized as a disease in the U.S. and internationally by government, health organizations, researchers and medical professionals.

AOA and Shape Up America!

The AOA and Shape Up America! collaborated to publish Guidance for Treatment of Adult Obesity, which states:

"Obesity is a disease afflicting millions of Americans and causing a great deal of pain and suffering. Despite evidence to the contrary, many people view obesity as a lack of willpower on the part of the individual. As a result, obese persons are frequently the object of prejudice and discrimination."

National Institutes of Health (NIH)
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Oct 19, 2006 11:34 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
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In a 1985 consensus statement on the Health Implications of Obesity, NIH declares:

"Formerly, obesity was considered fully explained by the single adverse behavior of inappropriate eating in the setting of attractive foods. The study of animal models of obesity, biochemical alterations in man and experimental animals, and the complex interactions of psychosocial and cultural factors that create susceptibility to human obesity indicate that this disease in man is complex and deeply rooted in biologic systems. Thus, it is almost certain that obesity has multiple causes and that there are different types of obesity."


The NIH's National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute's Clinical Guidelines on the Identification, Evaluation, and Treatment of Overweight and Obesity in Adults, state:

"Obesity is a complex, multifactorial chronic disease that develops from an interaction of genotype and the environment. Our understanding of how and why obesity develops is incomplete, but involves the integration of social, behavioral, cultural, physiological, metabolic and genetic factors."

National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine

The National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine formed a committee to evaluate the treatment and prevention of obesity. In their report, Weighing the Options, the committee states:
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Oct 19, 2006 11:34 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
SusieRR
SusieRRSusieRRnortheast, Ohio USA78 Threads 3 Polls 2,122 Posts
I think disease is what they call these particular addictions.
It is just a name to describe something that is hard to "cure"
What about smoking, is that a disease, or just a cause?
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Oct 19, 2006 11:35 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
"These figures (regarding the prevalence of obesity) point to the fact that obesity is one of the most pervasive public health problems in this country, a complex, multifactorial disease of appetite regulation and energy metabolism involving genetics, physiology, biochemistry, and the neurosciences, as well as environmental, psychological, and cultural factors. Unfortunately, the lay public and health-care providers, as well as insurance companies, often view it simply as a problems of willful misconduct - eating too much and exercising too little. Obesity is a a remarkable disease in terms of the effort required by an individual for its management and the extent of discrimination its victims suffer."
Federal Trade Commission (FTC )

The Partnership for Healthy Weight Management, a coalition of organizations led by the FTC developed Voluntary Guidelines for Providers of Weight Loss Products or Services. The Partnership states:

"Obesity is a serious, chronic disease that is known to reduce life span, increase disability and lead to many serious illnesses including diabetes, heart disease, and stroke." The guidelines were established to "promote sound guidance to the general public on strategies for achieving and maintaining a healthy weight."
Maternal and Child Health Bureau

An expert committee was formed by the Maternal and Child Health Bureau, a branch of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, at a March, 1997 conference on obesity in children and adolescents. Committee members were chosen for their clinical and research experience in the field of pediatric obesity to develop guidance on assessment and treatment for physicians, nurse practitioners, dietitians/nutritionists, and others who care for overweight children. The committee stated,

"obesity represents a chronic disease," and "obesity in children and adolescents represents one of the most frustrating and difficult diseases to treat. "

World Health Organization (WHO)

A WHO Consultation on Obesity reported:

"Obesity is a chronic disease, prevalent in both developed and developing countries, and affecting children as well as adults. Indeed it is so common that it is replacing the more traditional public health concerns, including undernutrition and infectious diseases, as one of the most significant contributors to ill health."

The WHO publishes the International Classification of Diseases (ICD-9-CM), which lists Obesity and Other Hyperalimentation as an Endocrine, Nutritional, Metabolic and Immunity Disease. The ICD-9-CM is recommended for use in all clinical settings, and is required for reporting diagnoses and diseases to all U.S. Public Health Service and Health Care Financing Administration programs. The World Health Organization recently included the Metabolic Syndrome in ICD-10 (#277). Obesity is a component of the Metabolic Syndrome.
American Heart Association (AHA)

Sorry so long, but since we can't post links...
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Oct 19, 2006 11:36 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
No, smoking is not a diseses, but smoking causes diseases.
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Oct 19, 2006 11:37 AM CST Is it really a Disease?
izzyva
izzyvaizzyvaHighland Springs, Virginia USA7 Threads 2,070 Posts
Obesity for some people is a disease, but for other no, Everybody, looking for a excuse, don't get me wrong, some people actually have problems with obesity other they just can't stay away for the damm buffet line and to much hershey kisses. But they used obesity as a excuse to keep eating, I have see people who don't stop eating and they got disable tags on the cars, and they just got huge by eating, junkfood it's not fair.




El Diablo
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