Class5: As a musician I find the link difficult to believe. I also have trouble with the concept of the type of music one prefers reflecting one's intellect.
Music's three elements (rhythm, melody & harmony) affect each person at a primal level. The listener may not know that a piece moves from major to minor, but responds at an instinctive and emotional level. What is 'good' or 'bad' music is highly subjective and whenever a student says 'that sucks', I reply with, 'no, it doesn't suck, it just doesn't move you'.
Furthermore, I love the music of the Rolling Stones but this in no way reflects my personality, or my core values~I just love the guitar sounds. But I also love Beethoven, Callas, Monk & Robert Johnson. Btw, some Country guitar players evince a high level of virtuosity (e.g. Albert Lee, Brent Mason, Brad Paisley & Red Volkeart).
lifeisadreamOPMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
Class5: As a musician I find the link difficult to believe. I also have trouble with the concept of the type of music one prefers reflecting one's intellect.
Music's three elements (rhythm, melody & harmony) affect each person at a primal level. The listener may not know that a piece moves from major to minor, but responds at an instinctive and emotional level. What is 'good' or 'bad' music is highly subjective and whenever a student says 'that sucks', I reply with, 'no, it doesn't suck, it just doesn't move you'.
Furthermore, I love the music of the Rolling Stones but this in no way reflects my personality, or my core values~I just love the guitar sounds. But I also love Beethoven, Callas, Monk & Robert Johnson. Btw, some Country guitar players evince a high level of virtuosity (e.g. Albert Lee, Brent Mason, Brad Paisley & Red Volkeart).
Music has more to do with sentiments, passion for life,.... rather than intellect, nothing scientific in my perception jmo
leigh2154: It's OK if you pick on her, to each his own J....I just don't understand why well rounded, normal, healthy people with strong opinions would not be interested in Rand's work....She was a woman, I am a woman....She was a political activist, I am interested in politics......She wrote screenplays, I love movies.....She is a novelist, I am a voracious reader.....I find her later work, which she dubbed objectivist philosophy, both fascinating and thought provoking.....I think she was an amazing woman, brilliant really....all this and I never once hung out in "Randian" circles....
Heh - well, I was friends with Barbara Branden in the past, and have debated Nathaniel Branden a bit, and even those "outcasts" from Rand's "inner circle" admired her and found her fascinating. But they weren't great fans of certain aspects of her psychology/behavior, just as many aren't.
I don't see any rational reason for a thoughtful, "well-balanced" person to not have some interest in her ideas; but many more "normal" people are put off by her for one reason or another, and some of those attracted to her beliefs attempt to mimic her or to achieve a faux certainty or even semi-omniscience (feeling the belief in an objective reality requires that they must pontificate about everything in absolute terms). These common characteristics are well-known to those who have traveled in these "circles."
None of this, of course, demonstrates anything about the truth or falsity of her central ideas or the breadth of her talents.
Ambrose2007: Heh - well, I was friends with Barbara Branden in the past, and have debated Nathaniel Branden a bit, and even those "outcasts" from Rand's "inner circle" admired her and found her fascinating. But they weren't great fans of certain aspects of her psychology/behavior, just as many aren't.
I don't see any rational reason for a thoughtful, "well-balanced" person to not have some interest in her ideas; but many more "normal" people are put off by her for one reason or another, and some of those attracted to her beliefs attempt to mimic her or to achieve a faux certainty or even semi-omniscience (feeling the belief in an objective reality requires that they must pontificate about everything in absolute terms). These common characteristics are well-known to those who have traveled in these "circles."
None of this, of course, demonstrates anything about the truth or falsity of her central ideas or the breadth of her talents.
Hi Jeff...my last comment on the subject and an apology to the thread author for the hijack....Maybe my problem is I am never "put off" by originality and detest the boredom created from suffering through the repetitive droning of a mimic....
lifeisadreamOPMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
leigh2154: Hi Jeff...my last comment on the subject and an apology to the thread author for the hijack....Maybe my problem is I am never "put off" by originality and detest the boredom created from suffering through the repetitive droning of a mimic....
leigh2154: Hi Jeff...my last comment on the subject and an apology to the thread author for the hijack....Maybe my problem is I am never "put off" by originality and detest the boredom created from suffering through the repetitive droning of a mimic....
Yeah, we did quite a thorough job of hijacking...though AR certainly held strong views relevant to the subject.
Back to the subject...I don't think the idea that we respond to music on a primal level is wrong. I'm sure that's part of it - and there are very basic ways we do respond to minor and major keys, the overtone series, tonality, etc. But as we learn and grow more sophisticated, as in any branch of art, our ability to appreciate subtleties and complexity and compositional creativity grow as well.
It's obvious I think to anyone that a young man driving down the street with rap music blaring and a sonic bass that could be used to restart a stopped heart (or stop a running one!) is expressing an element of personality. The same with the person who drives down the street with his radio blaring Mozart's Magic Flute's "Queen of the Night" (I have been guilty of that; not a really good idea here, since you may incite a pickup to run you off the road!).
It seems absurd to me to suggest there is no relation of personality to what music one listens to.
My summation: Our taste in music reflects: 1) our primal responses to tonality, rhythm, etc; 2) our personality; 3) our ability to appreciate different orders of compositional intricacy. "Personality" covers a wide range of attributes, of course, including one's sense of life and the things we find interesting (for example, I prefer rock groups who are reflective; I appreciate their intelligent speculations about life). I sincerely doubt, for instance, that someone who has little or no interest in intellectual things would like Coldplay, Sting, the Doors, Pink Floyd, or other cerebral groups. Those groups simply wouldn't speak to them.
Now please don't attempt to derail this thread again, Leigh.
Class5: As a musician I find the link difficult to believe. I also have trouble with the concept of the type of music one prefers reflecting one's intellect.
Music's three elements (rhythm, melody & harmony) affect each person at a primal level. The listener may not know that a piece moves from major to minor, but responds at an instinctive and emotional level. What is 'good' or 'bad' music is highly subjective and whenever a student says 'that sucks', I reply with, 'no, it doesn't suck, it just doesn't move you'.
Furthermore, I love the music of the Rolling Stones but this in no way reflects my personality, or my core values~I just love the guitar sounds. But I also love Beethoven, Callas, Monk & Robert Johnson. Btw, some Country guitar players evince a high level of virtuosity (e.g. Albert Lee, Brent Mason, Brad Paisley & Red Volkeart).
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Music's three elements (rhythm, melody & harmony) affect each person at a primal level. The listener may not know that a piece moves from major to minor, but responds at an instinctive and emotional level. What is 'good' or 'bad' music is highly subjective and whenever a student says 'that sucks', I reply with, 'no, it doesn't suck, it just doesn't move you'.
Furthermore, I love the music of the Rolling Stones but this in no way reflects my personality, or my core values~I just love the guitar sounds. But I also love Beethoven, Callas, Monk & Robert Johnson. Btw, some Country guitar players evince a high level of virtuosity (e.g. Albert Lee, Brent Mason, Brad Paisley & Red Volkeart).
Fabulous post, just outstanding!
Hi Class!!