Thanks Ambrose! I do differ with you about the cerebral attribute being related it to a specific type of music.
“People who are more "simple" might prefer Country” I think cerebral capacities have nothing to do with music preferences at least not in a significant way.
Smart and non-Smart people might like Classical music for example, or not to both.
My own children they have a good cerebral capacities and they have quite a dissimilar taste in music.
I would like to know more about people's prefferences in their taste for music and I hope more people would express them.
Hmmm..well, I've never known any (what I'd consider to be) non-smart people liking classical music, for instance. I think that's a good example of a music that requires a minimally pretty solid intelligence (certainly brilliance isn't required!).
The "cerebral" part certainly applies to me. I like music that has something intelligent to say...though of course that's rather open to interpretation. From my observation - well, all my friends are very bright, so this might be a biased inventory - this applies to bright people in general.
But we'd need a scientific study of some form to answer this question at least semi-definitively. But surely intellectual and mental development is related to the kinds of music we're able to appreciate. After all, there's a reason we go from listening to kids' nursery rhyme music to Mahler's Tenth, no?
leigh2154: She is saying that people "experience" the art form "music" in a way that is the reverse of how they "experience" all other forms of art, the reverse of "normal"......I happen to agree ....
Well, her essential claim is that people can experience the emotional content of music more or less directly, I think. The problem is that there is quite a lot to anyone's given emotional response, and that there is much more to evaluating and appreciating a piece of music than simply whatever emotions it generates in you. There is much more to music than it being "joyous," "depressing," "angry," or whatever. That surely is a part of a piece of music - the emotions it generates in you (which may be rather different from what's generated in someone else!) - but there is also the skill and complexity and sheer beauty/majesty of the composition.
There are many classical and modern pieces (was just listening to Barber's Adagio for Strings today) that are extremely sad or tragic-sounding at points that are also flat-out gorgeous and cleverly composed pieces of music. Adagio for Strings is pretty mournful, but it is also beautiful. Rand presumably would've lambasted it for having a "bad sense of life." That's the kind of nonsensical, simplistic extension of her philosophy to areas where it doesn't sensibly apply.
leigh2154: I take it you are not a "Rand Fan".......I think any "lover" of the arts can appreciate Rand's meaning when she writes this about music in "The Romantic Manfesto"....
With music, the pattern of the psycho-epistemological process (cognitive processes) is perception, to emotion, to appraisal, to conceptual understanding.... With "all" other art forms, the pattern is perception, to conceptual understanding, to appraisal, to emotion........
She is saying that people "experience" the art form "music" in a way that is the reverse of how they "experience" all other forms of art, the reverse of "normal"......I happen to agree ....
I'm a "Rand Fan," but I do disagree with her about music. I think Rand had a problem with overestimating her acuity in certain areas - music being one of them. I think her knowledge and appreciation of music was extremely limited, and that she attempted to extend her philosophic insights beyond their range when she held forth on the subject. I'm saying, she knew something about philosophy, but very little about music (or biology, psychology, science in general, and made the same mistakes there when she over-extended her philosophic abilities beyond her knowledge and competence).
lifeisadreamOPMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
Ambrose2007: Hmmm..well, I've never known any (what I'd consider to be) non-smart people liking classical music, for instance. I think that's a good example of a music that requires a minimally pretty solid intelligence (certainly brilliance isn't required!).
The "cerebral" part certainly applies to me. I like music that has something intelligent to say...though of course that's rather open to interpretation. From my observation - well, all my friends are very bright, so this might be a biased inventory - this applies to bright people in general.
But we'd need a scientific study of some form to answer this question at least semi-definitively. But surely intellectual and mental development is related to the kinds of music we're able to appreciate. After all, there's a reason we go from listening to kids' nursery rhyme music to Mahler's Tenth, no?
A sharp mind is different than an informed mind. The best scenario would be to have a sharp mind and to be informed.
I do agree with you in that people who like classical music ought to be informed for the history, the composers, the techniques, the place of origin, the circumstances…
Btw A friend of mine has a son whose has some mental problems and he is now 21 yr o but can not attend any of the regular school because his mental development is like a 6 yr o but he loves Classical music.
lifeisadream: A sharp mind is different than an informed mind. The best scenario would be to have a sharp mind and to be informed.
I do agree with you in that people who like classical music ought to be informed for the history, the composers, the techniques, the place of origin, the circumstances…
Btw A friend of mine has a son whose has some mental problems and he is now 21 yr o but can not attend any of the regular school because his mental development is like a 6 yr o but he loves Classical music.
Well, good point. Hey, my cat loves classical music, too (and hates mine!)...but then she's a pretty brilliant cat.
Also, some autistic people have bizarrely powerful insights and skills, usually in a fairly narrow field. Is your friend's son autistic by any chance?
In any case, there's an exception to most rules. I'm speaking very generally, of course.
lifeisadreamOPMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
Ambrose2007: Well, good point. Hey, my cat loves classical music, too (and hates mine!)...but then she's a pretty brilliant cat.
Also, some autistic people have bizarrely powerful insights and skills, usually in a fairly narrow field. Is your friend's son autistic by any chance?
In any case, there's an exception to most rules. I'm speaking very generally, of course.
Gosh! We do not only need a research to find out about how intelligence is related to the music taste but also we need another research to measure Cat’s intelligence!!! And then find the correlation with Cats intelligence and their musical taste!!!
lifeisadream: Does the music that you prefer reveal your personality?
Yes, not, maybe, do not know, no way!.......
Which ones are your 3 most favorites types of music?
Probably. While I did not grow up with Southern Gospel, I instantly developed a love for it as an adult while going to my first concert. So that is my favorite type of music; also because I'm a singer and songwriter, specializing in Southern Gospel. Since I'm a church going guy, that makes perfect sense. I used to listen to country, and occasional still listen to a bit of it. I've also listened to classical music, and have no problem at all with it.
lifeisadream: Gosh! We do not only need a research to find out about how intelligence is related to the music taste but also we need another research to measure Cat’s intelligence!!! And then find the correlation with Cats intelligence and their musical taste!!!
I really think you're onto something, Life. Surely there are some intelligent, music-loving, cat-lovin' scientists out there who could tie it all together?
I think somewhat. I think quieter souls like quieter music and high energy peeps like high energy music. I also think that certain music attracts disturbed phyches like the stuff that sounds like screaming vomit
Ambrose2007: I'm a "Rand Fan," but I do disagree with her about music. I think Rand had a problem with overestimating her acuity in certain areas - music being one of them. I think her knowledge and appreciation of music was extremely limited, and that she attempted to extend her philosophic insights beyond their range when she held forth on the subject. I'm saying, she knew something about philosophy, but very little about music (or biology, psychology, science in general, and made the same mistakes there when she over-extended her philosophic abilities beyond her knowledge and competence).
I think Rand was ahead of her time, original, and her work intellectually challenging...I'm pleased that her philosophical and literary work is now being taught in "some" academic institutions and I think interest in her work is growing and will continue to grow..
venusenvy: I think somewhat. I think quieter souls like quieter music and high energy peeps like high energy music. I also think that certain music attracts disturbed phyches like the stuff that sounds like screaming vomit
leigh2154: I think Rand was ahead of her time, original, and her work intellectually challenging...I'm pleased that her philosophical and literary work is now being taught in "some" academic institutions and I think interest in her work is growing and will continue to grow..
I agree, but I guarantee that the interest in her views does not include her "theories" of music, V.
You're surprising me a bit here, my friend. I wouldn't have suspected that you had an interest in AR.
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