gallagher crashes and burns (148)
jimbo79: iv'e said it already if you want to make a thread about the ira then feel free to this is about gallagher
Who.......out of the two , would you vote for Jimbo ?
vinny1967: Who.......out of the two , would you vote for Jimbo ?
im giving mcguinness my vote i admire what he did with the peace process, il give michael d my 2nd preferencejimbo79: no bother, and yes there is a difference in the two statements but that may have been down to a misunderstanding over the phone, mcguinness cleared it up this morning before ff released the payment details
gallagher said last night that he did not drop off a picture and at the same time collect a cheque for five thousand ... he was right and mcguinness was wrong ...
jimbo79: im giving mcguinness my vote i admire what he did with the peace process, il give michael d my 2nd preference
Fair play.
I admire him too and I think he has built a huge amount of bridges and succeeded in changing the mindset of a lot of people.
When he entered the race I was a bit surprised and decided not to vote for him cause I think it is too early.
Now I definitely would not vote for him as what he is accusing Gallagher of (lying) he has done since the stary of the campaign nin relation to his role in the PIRA. I thionk there is still a question mark over Gallagher lying where McGuinness definitely has.
In saying that I think he would be a good President.
vinny1967: Fair play.
I admire him too and I think he has built a huge amount of bridges and succeeded in changing the mindset of a lot of people.
When he entered the race I was a bit surprised and decided not to vote for him cause I think it is too early.
Now I definitely would not vote for him as what he is accusing Gallagher of (lying) he has done since the stary of the campaign nin relation to his role in the PIRA. I thionk there is still a question mark over Gallagher lying where McGuinness definitely has.
In saying that I think he would be a good President.
I admire him too and I think he has built a huge amount of bridges and succeeded in changing the mindset of a lot of people.
When he entered the race I was a bit surprised and decided not to vote for him cause I think it is too early.
Now I definitely would not vote for him as what he is accusing Gallagher of (lying) he has done since the stary of the campaign nin relation to his role in the PIRA. I thionk there is still a question mark over Gallagher lying where McGuinness definitely has.
In saying that I think he would be a good President.
il have to admit before the campaign started i was considering gallagher atleast for a preference, but i cannot for the life of me understand why he has not just come out and said yes im ff im proud of it, but at the same time clearly state that the policies of the last government were wrong, he does that he is in the clear and pretty much untouchable, he has alot going for him he is young a good speaker i like alot of what he says, but by not condemning the last government until he was pushed to, this leaves me without a reason to vote for him
jimbo79: il have to admit before the campaign started i was considering gallagher atleast for a preference, but i cannot for the life of me understand why he has not just come out and said yes im ff im proud of it, but at the same time clearly state that the policies of the last government were wrong, he does that he is in the clear and pretty much untouchable, he has alot going for him he is young a good speaker i like alot of what he says, but by not condemning the last government until he was pushed to, this leaves me without a reason to vote for him
And I respect that
I think McGuinness and Gallagher have both played down their previous roles and I can understand them both doing it. I see them both playing the same game in distancing themselves from 'poisonous' organisations
if thats the correct term. To me they have both done the same thing, except Gallagher has not tried to sling mud at anyone to make himself look better. JMOvinny1967: And I respect that
I think McGuinness and Gallagher have both played down their previous roles and I can understand them both doing it. I see them both playing the same game in distancing themselves from 'poisonous' organisations if thats the correct term. To me they have both done the same thing, except Gallagher has not tried to sling mud at anyone to make himself look better. JMO
I think McGuinness and Gallagher have both played down their previous roles and I can understand them both doing it. I see them both playing the same game in distancing themselves from 'poisonous' organisations if thats the correct term. To me they have both done the same thing, except Gallagher has not tried to sling mud at anyone to make himself look better. JMO
yeah gallagher has avoided that doing that, but i do believe it's important that they are tested, the one candidate that has not been tested is michael d which should make him the most transfer friendly, and when it comes down to it on thursday people may go for the safe option
Oh just for those who dont know "Slipper" was the character played by Nial Tobin in The Irish RM. The lovable rogue basicly.
Anyway, sorry to bring this up again but i have to share this.I just described what happened in the debate in another forum I post at and now McGuinness "stabbed Gallagher in the back" and an AMERICAN posted in the very next post.
Anyway, sorry to bring this up again but i have to share this.I just described what happened in the debate in another forum I post at and now McGuinness "stabbed Gallagher in the back" and an AMERICAN posted in the very next post.
In response to: Surely a bullet to the kneecap would have sufficed?
riverking: gallagher said last night that he did not drop off a picture and at the same time collect a cheque for five thousand ... he was right and mcguinness was wrong ...
That's kind of irrelevent. He received the checque for €5000 before he dropped round the photo, but the central point was that he received the cheque. Chronology being slightly out changes nothing. He was still the person arranging the corporate donations for FF and it is clear that he personally took the donations, that is at the crux of the matter. He clearly was a lot more than a grassroots member and he also had a lot more access to Brian Cowen than he leads on.
DUBLINGUY1973: Do you not think its a massive stretch to compare Bertie with Sean Gallagher though?
Whatever his role, does it really matter? Bertie made the decisions at one stage. Bad ones at that. Gallagher threw a few parties, picked up a few cheques and introduced a few people at worst. The bottom line is he can't have had too much influence if he wasn't even a TD. Being a member of a political party isn't a crime. Being a member of an illegal organisation is. I wonder what skeletons we would find if we dug deeper into Martin McGuinness's past. Probably quite a lot i should imagine.
Whatever his role, does it really matter? Bertie made the decisions at one stage. Bad ones at that. Gallagher threw a few parties, picked up a few cheques and introduced a few people at worst. The bottom line is he can't have had too much influence if he wasn't even a TD. Being a member of a political party isn't a crime. Being a member of an illegal organisation is. I wonder what skeletons we would find if we dug deeper into Martin McGuinness's past. Probably quite a lot i should imagine.
I don't think you are getting the point. Neither Gallagher or McGuninness are presidental material. The reason Gallagher isn't is he was associated with FF during the time they brought the country to it's knees....He collected money for them and threw parties for them. He was a important part of the FF old Boys club that the country needs to move away from....So why the hell should he be president???
He only dis-associated himself with FF recently and will not condem the party outright! Is that the man we need in The Aras?
I don't think it is! We may as well be electing Bertie.
scriobhneoir: That's kind of irrelevent. He received the checque for €5000 before he dropped round the photo, but the central point was that he received the cheque. Chronology being slightly out changes nothing. He was still the person arranging the corporate donations for FF and it is clear that he personally took the donations, that is at the crux of the matter. He clearly was a lot more than a grassroots member and he also had a lot more access to Brian Cowen than he leads on.
Clear to who? I'm assuming you have proof because as far as I can see, its Gallagher's word against Morgan's. Personally I would be more inclined to believe the word of a respected businessman over someone who was convicted of a crime.
Straightdown: @DUBLINGUY1973
I never said it was illegal what he did. It was immoral.
I never said it was illegal what he did. It was immoral.
He was a member of a political party. He was asked to contact 2/3 people to invite to a fundraiser so they could raise funds for the party. He did and the money went to the party.
Sounds like ANY member of a political party in Ireland to me.
Am not sure how that is immoral, and if it is the rest of the candidates are as guilty of what you charge him of as they have all raised funds
Because he helped raise funds for FF is the issue.
Morals dont apply as much as people blind allegiance or blind hatred.
vinny1967: He was a member of a political party. He was asked to contact 2/3 people to invite to a fundraiser so they could raise funds for the party. He did and the money went to the party.
Sounds like ANY member of a political party in Ireland to me.
Am not sure how that is immoral, and if it is the rest of the candidates are as guilty of what you charge him of as they have all raised funds
Because he helped raise funds for FF is the issue.
Morals dont apply as much as people blind allegiance or blind hatred.
Sounds like ANY member of a political party in Ireland to me.
Am not sure how that is immoral, and if it is the rest of the candidates are as guilty of what you charge him of as they have all raised funds
Because he helped raise funds for FF is the issue.
Morals dont apply as much as people blind allegiance or blind hatred.
i agree with ya vin.... although, i am a bit dissapointed in him that he felt he had to lie or hide the fact... just when he was being questioned be Pat Kenny on it, he appeared to behave just like any politican who has ever been caught out... i can see why he would want to distance or make little of anything he ever had to do with FF, but i'd have respected him a lot more if he just said 'well, yeah, so what...'
fitandfun79: i agree with ya vin.... although, i am a bit dissapointed in him that he felt he had to lie or hide the fact... just when he was being questioned be Pat Kenny on it, he appeared to behave just like any politican who has ever been caught out... i can see why he would want to distance or make little of anything he ever had to do with FF, but i'd have respected him a lot more if he just said 'well, yeah, so what...'
Yeah I was dissapointed in his reaction too. Am not sure he was lying though as he would have been dragged daily for fund raising.
I just find it unacceptable that this comes from McGuinness who has been lying about his involvement in the PIRA since the start from the election.
Its been a disgusting campaign and only Michael D and Gallagher has not stooped to these tactics from what I see and I worry for future elections if this is anything to go by.
fitandfun79: i agree with ya vin.... although, i am a bit dissapointed in him that he felt he had to lie or hide the fact... just when he was being questioned be Pat Kenny on it, he appeared to behave just like any politican who has ever been caught out... i can see why he would want to distance or make little of anything he ever had to do with FF, but i'd have respected him a lot more if he just said 'well, yeah, so what...'
see when you look at it, it's not really about fundraising, he solicited money for an audience and a picture with the taoiseach, they had closed the galway tent because of bad press, i was a fundraiser for the gaa in my area, we would go to business people and ask for 5 grand, for that money the business got recognition and tickets for games and ads on our website etc, what did these business people get, because lets face it if you are going to ask someone for that kind of money you have to be offering something more than a pic with the taoiseach, this is what makes it murkyvinny1967: Yeah I was dissapointed in his reaction too. Am not sure he was lying though as he would have been dragged daily for fund raising.
I just find it unacceptable that this comes from McGuinness who has been lying about his involvement in the PIRA since the start from the election.
Its been a disgusting campaign and only Michael D and Gallagher has not stooped to these tactics from what I see and I worry for future elections if this is anything to go by.
I just find it unacceptable that this comes from McGuinness who has been lying about his involvement in the PIRA since the start from the election.
Its been a disgusting campaign and only Michael D and Gallagher has not stooped to these tactics from what I see and I worry for future elections if this is anything to go by.
the media has a lot to answer for if you ask me!!! whether they acted of their own accord or have certain papers or tv stations have certain allegiances to people or parties, it was disgusting to watch at times....
just ask yourself has any politician at the time of a general election come under as much scrutiny during a campaign as some of the candidates for this 'powerless' office!!!
jimbo79: see when you look at it, it's not really about fundraising, he solicited money for an audience and a picture with the taoiseach, they had closed the galway tent because of bad press, i was a fundraiser for the gaa in my area, we would go to business people and ask for 5 grand, for that money the business got recognition and tickets for games and ads on our website etc, what did these business people get, because lets face it if you are going to ask someone for that kind of money you have to be offering something more than a pic with the taoiseach, this is what makes it murky
oh it stinks alright!! but there is no way in hell will i believe that it is just fianna fail who got up to this kind of carry on... bet ur life that majority of political parties do, or have done, the very same thing
jimbo79: see when you look at it, it's not really about fundraising, he solicited money for an audience and a picture with the taoiseach, they had closed the galway tent because of bad press, i was a fundraiser for the gaa in my area, we would go to business people and ask for 5 grand, for that money the business got recognition and tickets for games and ads on our website etc, what did these business people get, because lets face it if you are going to ask someone for that kind of money you have to be offering something more than a pic with the taoiseach, this is what makes it murky
I disagree Jimbo.
Tonnes of people would like a private audience, albeit a couple of minutes with the Taoiseach and a picture together. It would take pride of place oin their office.
Murky could apply to ANYONE donating to a political party or a Presidential candidate. At the end of the day what are anyone getting out of it ?
vinny1967: I disagree Jimbo.
Tonnes of people would like a private audience, albeit a couple of minutes with the Taoiseach and a picture together. It would take pride of place oin their office.
Murky could apply to ANYONE donating to a political party or a Presidential candidate. At the end of the day what are anyone getting out of it ?
Tonnes of people would like a private audience, albeit a couple of minutes with the Taoiseach and a picture together. It would take pride of place oin their office.
Murky could apply to ANYONE donating to a political party or a Presidential candidate. At the end of the day what are anyone getting out of it ?
ah but vin... is it acceptable that money can buy you face time (albeit it meaningless) with the leader of our country?? i find that pretty distasteful and elitest
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