Underage Drinking???? (17)
I think the amendments to the drinking laws brought in a few years ago are an absolute joke. Adults not being able to buy a drink from an off licence after 10pm...or before 12.30 in the afternoon! So much for stopping off for a bottle of wine before lunch..
Sting operations like that you describe are questionable practice at best. Obviously pressure on someone to get some results...
Sting operations like that you describe are questionable practice at best. Obviously pressure on someone to get some results...
perfect9: My son works partime in a garage that sells alcohol,the policy as with most shops is not to sell alcohol to any person under the age of 18.
However last weekend in a sting operation the guards sent a young woman in to purchase a bottle of wine,she was served the wine without being asked for ID.The young woman returned a short time later with the Gardai and confronted the sales person.The shop is now in serious trouble and have been summoned to Court.
The girl in question looked older than the 16 years she was.As with most garages there can be a build up of 10/12 people at times paying for petrol etc,and you have to use your discretion sometimes whether the person is over the legal age.
Now I do not condone underage drinking in any way,I find that if they want to buy alcohol ,ID not a problem ,they still get someone older to buy it.
My question is do you think it was fair what the Gardai done?? Was it fair on the young man who sold it.
Or just another money making racket,I believe the fines can be quite high for selling drink to underage drinkers.
(and no my son was not the one who sold it)
Be interested to hear your thoughts on this.
However last weekend in a sting operation the guards sent a young woman in to purchase a bottle of wine,she was served the wine without being asked for ID.The young woman returned a short time later with the Gardai and confronted the sales person.The shop is now in serious trouble and have been summoned to Court.
The girl in question looked older than the 16 years she was.As with most garages there can be a build up of 10/12 people at times paying for petrol etc,and you have to use your discretion sometimes whether the person is over the legal age.
Now I do not condone underage drinking in any way,I find that if they want to buy alcohol ,ID not a problem ,they still get someone older to buy it.
My question is do you think it was fair what the Gardai done?? Was it fair on the young man who sold it.
Or just another money making racket,I believe the fines can be quite high for selling drink to underage drinkers.
(and no my son was not the one who sold it)
Be interested to hear your thoughts on this.
No Id, no sale. Oh, and an Garda Siochana are always right... even when they are wrong...
perfect9: My son works partime in a garage that sells alcohol,the policy as with most shops is not to sell alcohol to any person under the age of 18.
However last weekend in a sting operation the guards sent a young woman in to purchase a bottle of wine,she was served the wine without being asked for ID.The young woman returned a short time later with the Gardai and confronted the sales person.The shop is now in serious trouble and have been summoned to Court.
The girl in question looked older than the 16 years she was.As with most garages there can be a build up of 10/12 people at times paying for petrol etc,and you have to use your discretion sometimes whether the person is over the legal age.
Now I do not condone underage drinking in any way,I find that if they want to buy alcohol ,ID not a problem ,they still get someone older to buy it.
My question is do you think it was fair what the Gardai done?? Was it fair on the young man who sold it.
Or just another money making racket,I believe the fines can be quite high for selling drink to underage drinkers.
(and no my son was not the one who sold it)
Be interested to hear your thoughts on this.
However last weekend in a sting operation the guards sent a young woman in to purchase a bottle of wine,she was served the wine without being asked for ID.The young woman returned a short time later with the Gardai and confronted the sales person.The shop is now in serious trouble and have been summoned to Court.
The girl in question looked older than the 16 years she was.As with most garages there can be a build up of 10/12 people at times paying for petrol etc,and you have to use your discretion sometimes whether the person is over the legal age.
Now I do not condone underage drinking in any way,I find that if they want to buy alcohol ,ID not a problem ,they still get someone older to buy it.
My question is do you think it was fair what the Gardai done?? Was it fair on the young man who sold it.
Or just another money making racket,I believe the fines can be quite high for selling drink to underage drinkers.
(and no my son was not the one who sold it)
Be interested to hear your thoughts on this.
I was with my niece just 3 hours ago in a petrol station shop,she will be 21 in May and she was asked for ID to buy a LOTTERY TICKET!!!
I was taken aback but thought to myself "fair play to the vigilant shop keeper"
So i suppose in answer to your question,while it may seem unfair what the garda did,we all know that "young bogus shoppers" are doing this for the garda and the health board around the country so the person that served the young girl should have been more alert and also not been so negligent.
tallandcute: I was with my niece just 3 hours ago in a petrol station shop,she will be 21 in May and she was asked for ID to buy a LOTTERY TICKET!!!
I was taken aback but thought to myself "fair play to the vigilant shop keeper"
So i suppose in answer to your question,while it may seem unfair what the garda did,we all know that "young bogus shoppers" are doing this for the garda and the health board around the country so the person that served the young girl should have been more alert and also not been so negligent.
I was taken aback but thought to myself "fair play to the vigilant shop keeper"
So i suppose in answer to your question,while it may seem unfair what the garda did,we all know that "young bogus shoppers" are doing this for the garda and the health board around the country so the person that served the young girl should have been more alert and also not been so negligent.
Perhaps this shop was victim to similar sting and is being cautious
and maybe there was not such a queue to enable her to do this.Its just since it happened the staff have been told if it happens again they will be dismissed on the spot.My son said it is now bordering on the ridiculous where they are asking people in their late twenties for ID for fear of loosing their jobs.Next we will have to go around with offical age badges round our necks,well maybe I wont have to....often on these threads people complain about youngsters drunk and causing trouble in certain neighbourhoods... this sort of action by the cops (who i am not a fan of) is one way to get shopkeepers and their employees to be more vigilant about who they sell alcohol too...
plus, the shop wouldn't have been targeted by police if there weren't previous complaints about the sale of alcohol to underage kids.. IMO they were dead right.
plus, the shop wouldn't have been targeted by police if there weren't previous complaints about the sale of alcohol to underage kids.. IMO they were dead right.
We look after over 150 teenagers during the summer months and we/their host families can't keep an eye on them all the time. These laws are our "eyes at the back of our heads". I don't want to be the one telling a mother abroad that her child is in hospital or has indeed died due to alcohol poisoning. I'm with law on this one.
On a lighter note, a friend of mine in the UK was asked for ID at Sainsbury's today as she was buying in supplies for a party over the festive season. She didn't have proof of age on her and had to leave all the alcohol there. She's 29!! She was fuming (but kinda flattered too!)
On a lighter note, a friend of mine in the UK was asked for ID at Sainsbury's today as she was buying in supplies for a party over the festive season. She didn't have proof of age on her and had to leave all the alcohol there. She's 29!! She was fuming (but kinda flattered too!)
perfect9: Next we will have to go around with offical age badges round our necks,well maybe I wont have to....
Head to the States and prepare to be asked for ID everywhere, and in some places, every time you order a drink.
perfect9: Perhaps this shop was victim to similar sting and is being cautious and maybe there was not such a queue to enable her to do this.Its just since it happened the staff have been told if it happens again they will be dismissed on the spot.My son said it is now bordering on the ridiculous where they are asking people in their late twenties for ID for fear of loosing their jobs.Next we will have to go around with offical age badges round our necks,well maybe I wont have to....
There was no queue but she was asked by the same person for ID a few months ago to purchase cigs..Maybe the shop was victim of similar sting in the past
i honestly dont know.I can see how it might be embarrassing maybe for your son asking people of perhaps his own age for ID but it has to be done
Its a pity the staff wernt warned upon starting employment by their boss/bosses.
I hate the places that only accept Garda ID..even a drivers licence or a passport isn't good enough for them
fitandfun79: often on these threads people complain about youngsters drunk and causing trouble in certain neighbourhoods... this sort of action by the cops (who i am not a fan of) is one way to get shopkeepers and their employees to be more vigilant about who they sell alcohol too...
plus, the shop wouldn't have been targeted by police if there weren't previous complaints about the sale of alcohol to underage kids.. IMO they were dead right.
plus, the shop wouldn't have been targeted by police if there weren't previous complaints about the sale of alcohol to underage kids.. IMO they were dead right.
Like I said just interested in your thoughts on this,its just maybe if it had been a genuine purchaser they had caught yes proper order.The workers are aware of the older one's with ID coming into the shop getting drink for the underage guys outside,not much you can do about this.
On a slightly different note ,on occasion my son had reason to ring the Guards when being threatened because of some disturbance or other in same shop,and when the shop is being targeted by shoplifter's and they never show or if they do two hours later,just think they just do what suits them. The Gardai that is .
the company i used to work for have a policy called challenge 21 and if you suspect someone is under 21 and looking to buy either alcohol,knives or anything that can be deemed as a weapon you were allowed/expected to challenge them for id. i worked there for over 10years and asked for id twice 
it is there person that gets in trouble though not the business as long as they have proof they have instructed the employees correctly as far as i remember
it is there person that gets in trouble though not the business as long as they have proof they have instructed the employees correctly as far as i rememberperfect9: My son works partime in a garage that sells alcohol,the policy as with most shops is not to sell alcohol to any person under the age of 18.
However last weekend in a sting operation the guards sent a young woman in to purchase a bottle of wine,she was served the wine without being asked for ID.The young woman returned a short time later with the Gardai and confronted the sales person.The shop is now in serious trouble and have been summoned to Court.
The girl in question looked older than the 16 years she was.As with most garages there can be a build up of 10/12 people at times paying for petrol etc,and you have to use your discretion sometimes whether the person is over the legal age.
Now I do not condone underage drinking in any way,I find that if they want to buy alcohol ,ID not a problem ,they still get someone older to buy it.
My question is do you think it was fair what the Gardai done?? Was it fair on the young man who sold it.
Or just another money making racket,I believe the fines can be quite high for selling drink to underage drinkers.
(and no my son was not the one who sold it)
Be interested to hear your thoughts on this.
However last weekend in a sting operation the guards sent a young woman in to purchase a bottle of wine,she was served the wine without being asked for ID.The young woman returned a short time later with the Gardai and confronted the sales person.The shop is now in serious trouble and have been summoned to Court.
The girl in question looked older than the 16 years she was.As with most garages there can be a build up of 10/12 people at times paying for petrol etc,and you have to use your discretion sometimes whether the person is over the legal age.
Now I do not condone underage drinking in any way,I find that if they want to buy alcohol ,ID not a problem ,they still get someone older to buy it.
My question is do you think it was fair what the Gardai done?? Was it fair on the young man who sold it.
Or just another money making racket,I believe the fines can be quite high for selling drink to underage drinkers.
(and no my son was not the one who sold it)
Be interested to hear your thoughts on this.
i work in a pub and i know about these types of operations but never happened to us but we were sent a letter early in the year telling management that these types of stings would be happening so im assuming that all places that sell alcohol were giving the same warning in fairness if you look under 21 you should be asked i shouldnt matter if the place is busy or not
last year i was buying a video game which was over 18s and it was xmas time so the shop was packed and i was asked for id
so when it comes to alcohol i dont really think theres an excuse for not asking for id
perfect9: Like I said just interested in your thoughts on this,its just maybe if it had been a genuine purchaser they had caught yes proper order.The workers are aware of the older one's with ID coming into the shop getting drink for the underage guys outside,not much you can do about this.
On a slightly different note ,on occasion my son had reason to ring the Guards when being threatened because of some disturbance or other in same shop,and when the shop is being targeted by shoplifter's and they never show or if they do two hours later,just think they just do what suits them. The Gardai that is .
On a slightly different note ,on occasion my son had reason to ring the Guards when being threatened because of some disturbance or other in same shop,and when the shop is being targeted by shoplifter's and they never show or if they do two hours later,just think they just do what suits them. The Gardai that is .
it doesn't matter if it's a genuine purchaser or not... me thinks you're missing the point completely... oh and they punish the seller, not the purchaser!!
perfect9: My son works partime in a garage that sells alcohol,the policy as with most shops is not to sell alcohol to any person under the age of 18.
However last weekend in a sting operation the guards sent a young woman in to purchase a bottle of wine,she was served the wine without being asked for ID.The young woman returned a short time later with the Gardai and confronted the sales person.The shop is now in serious trouble and have been summoned to Court.
The girl in question looked older than the 16 years she was.As with most garages there can be a build up of 10/12 people at times paying for petrol etc,and you have to use your discretion sometimes whether the person is over the legal age.
Now I do not condone underage drinking in any way,I find that if they want to buy alcohol ,ID not a problem ,they still get someone older to buy it.
My question is do you think it was fair what the Gardai done?? Was it fair on the young man who sold it.
Or just another money making racket,I believe the fines can be quite high for selling drink to underage drinkers.
(and no my son was not the one who sold it)
Be interested to hear your thoughts on this.
However last weekend in a sting operation the guards sent a young woman in to purchase a bottle of wine,she was served the wine without being asked for ID.The young woman returned a short time later with the Gardai and confronted the sales person.The shop is now in serious trouble and have been summoned to Court.
The girl in question looked older than the 16 years she was.As with most garages there can be a build up of 10/12 people at times paying for petrol etc,and you have to use your discretion sometimes whether the person is over the legal age.
Now I do not condone underage drinking in any way,I find that if they want to buy alcohol ,ID not a problem ,they still get someone older to buy it.
My question is do you think it was fair what the Gardai done?? Was it fair on the young man who sold it.
Or just another money making racket,I believe the fines can be quite high for selling drink to underage drinkers.
(and no my son was not the one who sold it)
Be interested to hear your thoughts on this.
I didn't read all the responses so excuse me if this has been mentioned before, but is this not entrapment? I didn't think a prosecution was possible if the person was set up
jimbo79: no the guards have been doing this a couple of years now, i think it's a good idea, if in any doubt ask for i.d
oh okay so.....sounds like entrapment to me though!
I never get asked for ID anymore
and I don't work in a shop so don't have to ask anyone for ID
I think the guards have a tough time and I totally respect them, but surely they have better things to do than bust a petrol station for selling drink to a minor....it is not like a petrol station would sell loads of drink...sure they charge a fortune for it!
and hello Jimbo
It's the Gardai making the most effective use of limited resources. They can't police all the shops selling alcohol, nor can they catch all the underage drinkers; they just don't have the manpower.
So they set up a few little "stings" like that every now and then, because it gets people talking. You'll talk about it, the staff, the owners, and word gets around that these "stings" are in the area. So, by doing something as small as that underage sting once, ie making an example, they can enforce their law on most of the local businesses. So then they have less drunk teenagers to deal with and less shops to police.
So they set up a few little "stings" like that every now and then, because it gets people talking. You'll talk about it, the staff, the owners, and word gets around that these "stings" are in the area. So, by doing something as small as that underage sting once, ie making an example, they can enforce their law on most of the local businesses. So then they have less drunk teenagers to deal with and less shops to police.
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However last weekend in a sting operation the guards sent a young woman in to purchase a bottle of wine,she was served the wine without being asked for ID.The young woman returned a short time later with the Gardai and confronted the sales person.The shop is now in serious trouble and have been summoned to Court.
The girl in question looked older than the 16 years she was.As with most garages there can be a build up of 10/12 people at times paying for petrol etc,and you have to use your discretion sometimes whether the person is over the legal age.
Now I do not condone underage drinking in any way,I find that if they want to buy alcohol ,ID not a problem ,they still get someone older to buy it.
My question is do you think it was fair what the Gardai done?? Was it fair on the young man who sold it.
Or just another money making racket,I believe the fines can be quite high for selling drink to underage drinkers.
(and no my son was not the one who sold it)
Be interested to hear your thoughts on this.