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Dec 28, 2011 7:44 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
patmac: Sorry to say this Conjor, but with that attitude you have little chance of success.

The past,present and future are all linked. It is how we deal with it that counts.

Telling someone their past does not count or just to leave it behind is to my mind selfish and totally inconsiderate.

Meeting someone and ignoring their past is totally wrong.

This post makes you look so selfish and uncaring,but Hey Ho maybe I just read it that way.


I don't think it makes him look selfish, or uncaring.

I think it makes him look like he doesn't have the social skills in certain areas to cope with other people's lack of social skills in certain areas.

We can demand that others be perfect and otherwise walk away, or we can choose to improve our own skill set and work at something.

In a partnership, that has to come from both parties, but sometimes someone's got to initiate it and make the first move.
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Dec 28, 2011 7:53 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
StillOfTheNight
StillOfTheNightStillOfTheNightClarenville Area, Newfoundland Canada11 Threads 2,832 Posts
The past is a tricky subject sometimes.

Its ok to remember and to learn from the past but if a person is living in the past, then its a problem.

Its a fine line sometimes.
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Dec 28, 2011 7:55 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
Sunnydaze14
Sunnydaze14Sunnydaze14Dublin, Ireland105 Threads 3 Polls 2,870 Posts
conjor: Why is this so hard??? even if they were never anything but a friend.Why can't they leave the past in the graveyard??????


The past makes us what we are today, like it or not, and part of getting to know someone is talking about the past to a certain extent. There is no getting away from it. But then it has to be put away and left in the past so you can live in the present.
However,while it is really a pain when someone keeps on and on and on about the past, there is also something annoying and not quite right when someone clams up if anything about the past is mentioned in casual conversation.
But of course, people are entitled to keep there own personal secrets, it's their own business and nobody elses, just saying..
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Dec 28, 2011 8:00 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
fishitfun
fishitfunfishitfunMiddle East, Al Asimah Kuwait31 Threads 646 Posts
Mermaidon: You can't just live in the present and pretend the past never happened, even if you believe that what we do today is independent of the past and that moving on is the best thing... Moving on doesn't mean forgetting, it just means forgiving, ourselves and others.

JMO
I agreethumbs up
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Dec 28, 2011 8:01 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
jac379: I don't think it makes him look selfish, or uncaring.

I think it makes him look like he doesn't have the social skills in certain areas to cope with other people's lack of social skills in certain areas.

We can demand that others be perfect and otherwise walk away, or we can choose to improve our own skill set and work at something.

In a partnership, that has to come from both parties, but sometimes someone's got to initiate it and make the first move.



jac, I agree that it does not make him look selfish or uncaring.

As for the rest of your coment, I would only circumstantially agree.
Knowing from my own experience and as a counselor, I have seen many dysfunctional people who have not taken the time to work through any type of self- help for healing and growth.

These people seem to keep a score card of wrongs and are constantly playing the "blame game". A mature person can devote time to understanding and try to help, but many times it is to no avail, if the other party is not willing to learn how to overcome.

In situations such as mentioned, in a relationship, if the party does not seek help and try to work through it, [and you and I both know this takes much time] then I would walk away from the relationship and find a more compatible, healthy minded partner.

Another reason why we should get to know people better before making a commitment into a relationship. Friends First.

HLpeace
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Dec 28, 2011 8:03 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
jac379: I don't think it makes him look selfish, or uncaring.

I think it makes him look like he doesn't have the social skills in certain areas to cope with other people's lack of social skills in certain areas.

We can demand that others be perfect and otherwise walk away, or we can choose to improve our own skill set and work at something.

In a partnership, that has to come from both parties, but sometimes someone's got to initiate it and make the first move.


I think we shall have to agree to disagree on this one Jac.

My line:


"The past,present and future are all linked. It is how we deal with it that counts".

To me sums it up, if any person cannot accept or rather DOES NOT WANT to accept the full package then they are being selfish as they seem to want a relationship on terms that they have decided and not a MUTUAL understanding.

Mutual agreement or feelings are the central point of any relationship and the point Conjur made to me shows he is not interested in the past of any future partner.

Not to my mind a good start to any relationship.

As always JMHO....grin cheers
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Dec 28, 2011 8:08 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
Sunnydaze14
Sunnydaze14Sunnydaze14Dublin, Ireland105 Threads 3 Polls 2,870 Posts
StillOfTheNight: The past is a tricky subject sometimes.

Its ok to remember and to learn from the past but if a person is living in the past, then its a problem.

Its a fine line sometimes.


A very fine line indeed sometimes. Tightrope walking skills sometimes neededgrin
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Dec 28, 2011 8:11 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
donedeal
donedealdonedealsayulita, Nayarit Mexico1 Posts
well said,i agree totally
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Dec 28, 2011 8:11 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
Mermaidon
MermaidonMermaidonBrussels, Brussels (Bruxelles) Belgium26 Threads 4 Polls 1,116 Posts
HealthyLiving: jac, I agree that it does not make him look selfish or uncaring.

As for the rest of your coment, I would only circumstantially agree.
Knowing from my own experience and as a counselor, I have seen many dysfunctional people who have not taken the time to work through any type of self- help for healing and growth.

These people seem to keep a score card of wrongs and are constantly playing the "blame game". A mature person can devote time to understanding and try to help, but many times it is to no avail, if the other party is not willing to learn how to overcome.

In situations such as mentioned, in a relationship, if the party does not seek help and try to work through it, [and you and I both know this takes much time] then I would walk away from the relationship and find a more compatible, healthy minded partner.

Another reason why we should get to know people better before making a commitment into a relationship. Friends First.

HL


Too many people do not want to develop a love relationship with a friend, I've read it many many times here on CS and other sites... How do you conciliate that thought with the attitude I've just described?
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Dec 28, 2011 8:20 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
conjor
conjorconjorSmithfield, North Carolina USA61 Threads 2,056 Posts
patmac: I think we shall have to agree to disagree on this one Jac.

My line:"The past,present and future are all linked. It is how we deal with it that counts".

To me sums it up, if any person cannot accept or rather DOES NOT WANT to accept the full package then they are being selfish as they seem to want a relationship on terms that they have decided and not a MUTUAL understanding.

Mutual agreement or feelings are the central point of any relationship and the point Conjur made to me shows he is not interested in the past of any future partner.

Not to my mind a good start to any relationship.

As always JMHO....
I have empathy or however you spell itlaugh Im just saying'' People should let their heart heal before they invovle someone else into their Life.I not trying to be selfish to anyone.If I go into a relationship and still hurting or brooding over someone done this to me and someone done tat to me; I want to be healed up inside before involving someone who has done me no wrong.dunno
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Dec 28, 2011 8:22 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
patmac: I think we shall have to agree to disagree on this one Jac.

My line:"The past,present and future are all linked. It is how we deal with it that counts".

To me sums it up, if any person cannot accept or rather DOES NOT WANT to accept the full package then they are being selfish as they seem to want a relationship on terms that they have decided and not a MUTUAL understanding.

Mutual agreement or feelings are the central point of any relationship and the point Conjur made to me shows he is not interested in the past of any future partner.

Not to my mind a good start to any relationship.

As always JMHO....


I completely agree with your above statement in red, I just disagree whether its about selfishness, or ignorance.

Take the example that Conjor gave:

She's upset because he didn't make contact when she had hoped. She feel's hurt by this and expresses that hurt.

He apologises, explains that he was busy and expects that's the resolution.

She brings it up repeatedly, so obviously, its not resolved for her.

Conjor can either dismiss her totally, or he can dismiss it each time the subject is brought up. This however still will lead to a lack of resolution for her. (Perhaps therein lies the selfishness, but only if he's aware of what he's doing).

So maybe he needs to tackle the apparant lack of resolution for her. He needs to discuss with her why its still causing her upset. It maybe something to do with her past, it maybe that she feels its a sign of him not caring, or the relationship fizzling out. It maybe that he continues to exhibit this behaviour. Resolution may come reassurance, or from setting boundaries. For example, if he's said that he will call, or its usual to have contact every day, it may be that he simply needs to drop her a text saying something like, "Sorry, very busy with such and such, but I haven't forgotten about you. Speak to you when I can".

For the sake of a small text of reassurance, or communicating where he's at, it can make all the difference in a successful relationship.

Another alternative, if she's too demanding is to make boundaries in advance of frequency of contact with reassurance its a matter of practicality, not how much he cares for her, or wants to be with her.

Doing this with every conflict of interests is how we build the foundations for a happy, healthy balanced relationship. It means that hurts, insecurities and resentments don't build to breaking point.

Its all very well saying that someone is being selfish, but sometimes we all need totally practical advice to see how to change our own behaviour for the better.
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Dec 28, 2011 8:32 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
Mermaidon: Too many people do not want to develop a love relationship with a friend, I've read it many many times here on CS and other sites... How do you conciliate that thought with the attitude I've just described?



I would say that if they do not want to become friends first and nuture that relationship, and they frivilously jump into a relationship with a stranger...

That person is only setting himself up for many disappointments and perhaps struggles, such as Ben has described here.

That's why I will not begin to entertain the idea of simply emailing back and forth to begin a relationship. I want to see how the person reacts to situations with others, how they behave in the forums, and what's in that head of theirs. Are they easily angered? From such, stay away!

I learned long ago that life is too short for the B.S.
I would much rather be alone and happy, than with someone and miserable.

If one person is emotionally stable and mature and the other is not, it will not work, no matter how you try. We can not Fix people. People have to want to, and try to fix themselves. We can share wisdom with them, but we can not Make them apply it.

Trees are pruned. This causes them to bear more fruit.
We must be pruned also, to bear great qualities.

Love you,
HLhug kiss
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Dec 28, 2011 8:39 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
conjor: I have empathy or however you spell it Im just saying'' People should let their heart heal before they invovle someone else into their Life.I not trying to be selfish to anyone.If I go into a relationship and still hurting or brooding over someone done this to me and someone done tat to me; I want to be healed up inside before involving someone who has done me no wrong.


I agree with you 100% thumbs up

This past summer I met up with a man from another dating site and all he talked about was how his wife was taking money out of their bank account over many years and socking it away until such time as she felt she could leave him. Although I empathized with him, I couldn't bring myself to enter into a relationship with someone who hasn't finished dealing with it.
All of us have a certain amount of "emotional baggage"...it's a matter of, are they still carrying it around everywhere they go or is it neatly tucked away...not totally forgotten but also not a hindrance to developing a healthy relationship with someone new. wine
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Dec 28, 2011 8:45 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
HealthyLiving: jac, I agree that it does not make him look selfish or uncaring.

As for the rest of your coment, I would only circumstantially agree.
Knowing from my own experience and as a counselor, I have seen many dysfunctional people who have not taken the time to work through any type of self- help for healing and growth.

These people seem to keep a score card of wrongs and are constantly playing the "blame game". A mature person can devote time to understanding and try to help, but many times it is to no avail, if the other party is not willing to learn how to overcome.

In situations such as mentioned, in a relationship, if the party does not seek help and try to work through it, [and you and I both know this takes much time] then I would walk away from the relationship and find a more compatible, healthy minded partner.

Another reason why we should get to know people better before making a commitment into a relationship. Friends First.

HL


Aaah, the blame game versus personal responsibility.

Isn't this in red, effectively the blame game? Those very people may simply not be aware of their behaviour, or even begin to know where to start. I agree, sometimes we have to walk away because resolution of conflict requires effort on both sides and that isn't forthcoming from one, but in this situation it appears that Conjor isn't willing to make the effort, either. That is HIS baggage, HIS responsibility to deal with if he wants a happy, healthy relationship. To put it all on the other person is the blame game.

I know I'm repeating myself here, but I think its totally unrealistic to expect that someone has totally resolved all previous issues before getting into another relationship, when getting into another relationship is part and parcel of the healing process. You can only do so much on your own and then its time to move to the next stage and deal with a bit more.

We would never chuck a pack of unfamiliar dogs together and expect a pack order to be instantly established with no previous behaviours being ironed out with conflict. Why, oh why, do we expect to walk into a utopia in terms of relationships without establishing the behaviours that we will use effectively to relate to each other for the equal benefit of both?

Relationships require communication, adaptation, change, dedication, lots of bloody, bloody hard work...hard work doesn't kill us, it makes us stronger.

If we just have a grand design in our heads of how its all going to lovey-dovey and perfect and dismiss everything that doesn't fit into that ideal, we're going to end up very lonely.

Two people willing to adapt and make changes for the better is what it takes. Not just one out of the partnership.
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Dec 28, 2011 8:45 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
Mermaidon
MermaidonMermaidonBrussels, Brussels (Bruxelles) Belgium26 Threads 4 Polls 1,116 Posts
HealthyLiving: I would say that if they do not want to become friends first and nuture that relationship, and they frivilously jump into a relationship with a stranger...

That person is only setting himself up for many disappointments and perhaps struggles, such as Ben has described here.

That's why I will not begin to entertain the idea of simply emailing back and forth to begin a relationship. I want to see how the person reacts to situations with others, how they behave in the forums, and what's in that head of theirs. Are they easily angered? From such, stay away!

I learned long ago that life is too short for the B.S.
I would much rather be alone and happy, than with someone and miserable.

If one person is emotionally stable and mature and the other is not, it will not work, no matter how you try. We can not Fix people. People have to want to, and try to fix themselves. We can share wisdom with them, but we can not Make them apply it.

Trees are pruned. This causes them to bear more fruit.
We must be pruned also, to bear great qualities.

Love you,
HL


Understood. I think many love relationships do not start with friendships nor do they start with a "deep" love either, but rather a familiarization with the other person, something between infatuation and attraction (physical, mental, psychological and sometimes spiritual)
When a woman tells me I'm a friend, I take it at face value, I don't think to myself "well, we're friends for now, it's a good start until Cupid decides to shoot us both in the heart laugh
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Dec 28, 2011 8:45 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
Mermaidon
MermaidonMermaidonBrussels, Brussels (Bruxelles) Belgium26 Threads 4 Polls 1,116 Posts
HealthyLiving: I would say that if they do not want to become friends first and nuture that relationship, and they frivilously jump into a relationship with a stranger...

That person is only setting himself up for many disappointments and perhaps struggles, such as Ben has described here.

That's why I will not begin to entertain the idea of simply emailing back and forth to begin a relationship. I want to see how the person reacts to situations with others, how they behave in the forums, and what's in that head of theirs. Are they easily angered? From such, stay away!

I learned long ago that life is too short for the B.S.
I would much rather be alone and happy, than with someone and miserable.

If one person is emotionally stable and mature and the other is not, it will not work, no matter how you try. We can not Fix people. People have to want to, and try to fix themselves. We can share wisdom with them, but we can not Make them apply it.

Trees are pruned. This causes them to bear more fruit.
We must be pruned also, to bear great qualities.

Love you,
HL


Understood. I think many love relationships do not start with friendships nor do they start with a "deep" love either, but rather a familiarization with the other person, something between infatuation and attraction (physical, mental, psychological and sometimes spiritual)
When a woman tells me I'm a friend, I take it at face value, I don't think to myself "well, we're friends for now, it's a good start until Cupid decides to shoot us both in the heart" laugh
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Dec 28, 2011 8:46 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
Mermaidon
MermaidonMermaidonBrussels, Brussels (Bruxelles) Belgium26 Threads 4 Polls 1,116 Posts
Mermaidon: ...
And you even have it in Stereo laugh
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Dec 28, 2011 8:49 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
conjor: I have empathy or however you spell it Im just saying'' People should let their heart heal before they invovle someone else into their Life.I not trying to be selfish to anyone.If I go into a relationship and still hurting or brooding over someone done this to me and someone done tat to me; I want to be healed up inside before involving someone who has done me no wrong.


Sometimes folk have not fully healed from a past relationship, but helping them through their troubles can make the new relationship stronger.

Accepting that we all have a past and regardless of how hard we try it will always crop up from time to time.

But by discussing it empathatically together you can help each other move on.

Too often we forget the fact every thing is linked and what happened to all of us in the past will have an effect on our future.

Telling someone that they should forget and move on is in some ways fine but they past is what makes us what we are today.

Dwelling on the past however is wrong, but so is to an extent ignoring it.

So we need to be aware of the past,present and future and then we can all get on with our lives as we wish.

I do agree if you are still hurting then you do have to look at yourself before getting involved.

However you can and I and others have helped folk move on,so to dismiss someone who is still upset can very often prove detrimental.

As always JMHO

grin cheers
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Dec 28, 2011 9:00 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
Mermaidon: And you even have it in Stereo



rolling on the floor laughing Speaking of Stereo!professor

TAKE TIME TO KNOW HER...

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Dec 28, 2011 9:04 AM CST I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT BRING THEIR PAST INTO MY FUTURE!
Mermaidon
MermaidonMermaidonBrussels, Brussels (Bruxelles) Belgium26 Threads 4 Polls 1,116 Posts
HealthyLiving: Speaking of Stereo!

TAKE TIME TO KNOW HER...
I agree.
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