messing up the flag (42)
john12196341jamestown, North Dakota USA53 Threads 684 Postsin florida the DNC had the u.s. flag flying. it wsan't the nations flag but a flag with stars and stripes and the face of obama on it. this is totally against the law and it is making obama a dictator. obama should be on a roll of toilet paper not on the flag.
------ This thread is Archived ------
john12196341: in florida the DNC had the u.s. flag flying. it wsan't the nations flag but a flag with stars and stripes and the face of obama on it. this is totally against the law and it is making obama a dictator. obama should be on a roll of toilet paper not on the flag.
It is against the law, but it does not make him a dictator, even if you don't like him, he didn't put it up there. It is hard to believe that they`did not know better as they said...but what else is someone gonna say. The flags are made in China. I wish some one would run for president that was remotely up for the job. Over the years people have ignored the proper etiquette of flying the USA flag....they let it get frayed and don't even bother to take care of it.
------ This thread is Archived ------
john12196341: in florida the DNC had the u.s. flag flying. it wsan't the nations flag but a flag with stars and stripes and the face of obama on it. this is totally against the law and it is making obama a dictator. obama should be on a roll of toilet paper not on the flag.
------ This thread is Archived ------
there are alot of people who are mad about it especially vets who served their this nation. also there are alot of people in this nation who don't like this scum as president. so ali keep on worshipping that fraudulent president who technicallt shouldn't be president because one parent wasn't born in this nation
------ This thread is Archived ------
the dnc has no respect whatsoever for the flag. alot of good men and women died for it
------ This thread is Archived ------
john12196341: there are alot of people who are mad about it especially vets who served their this nation. also there are alot of people in this nation who don't like this scum as president. so ali keep on worshipping that fraudulent president who technicallt shouldn't be president because one parent wasn't born in this nation
of course they are mad, but it is way more then Obama. To put any face or change the USA flag is wrong.
And Ali, You are friendly but sometimes you put these "slights" and "jabs" that you seem to think are cute. I doubt that you would be laughing if it was your country. I'll leave it at that in the effort at peace.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Nikogas: It's true, there was a court decision that declared that it would go against the first Amendment ,,,meanwhile I looked at a lot of countries that will throw you in prison or worse.. But not here. SO I guess you can use it as toilet paper if you really want to Ooby. I know that their is an Etiquette, but that is not a "Law"
Cheers Ooby!!
;-}}
Cheers right back nico.Cheers Ooby!!
;-}}
Several years ago there was a flag desecration bill sponsored by Eric Cantor unfortunately from my own state to amend the Constitution making it illegal to desecrate the flag in any way. It came within 1 vote of passing. That's about as close as such a bill ever got. Some people seem to put more value on a flag than they do on our Constitution which really makes no sense. As beautiful as it is it's still nothing more than a symbol and like you said most flags around today were probably made in China.------ This thread is Archived ------
ooby_dooby: Cheers right back nico. Several years ago there was a flag desecration bill sponsored by Eric Cantor unfortunately from my own state to amend the Constitution making it illegal to desecrate the flag in any way. It came within 1 vote of passing. That's about as close as such a bill ever got. Some people seem to put more value on a flag than they do on our Constitution which really makes no sense. As beautiful as it is it's still nothing more than a symbol and like you said most flags around today were probably made in China.
You know,,life is like that, you have to be careful as you might think you are winning out and in fact you shoot a hole through something very sacred and that my protect you in the future...
They gets pretty sneaky sometime,,,and I think some just don't see the whole picture.
;-}
------ This thread is Archived ------
ooby_dooby: As beautiful as it is it's still nothing more than a symbol...
As you say, it is merely a symbol, but it is what the symbolism carries that evokes emotion and patriotic feeling. The desecration of a flag symbolises more than the destruction of a piece of cloth. It reflects a hatred, and a contempt for the nation it represents. However, as a method of demonstrating a group's grievances, it is losing impact through overuse.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Class5: As you say, it is merely a symbol, but it is what the symbolism carries that evokes emotion and patriotic feeling. The desecration of a flag symbolises more than the destruction of a piece of cloth. It reflects a hatred, and a contempt for the nation it represents. However, as a method of demonstrating a group's grievances, it is losing impact through overuse.
I don't think I've ever seen an American burning an American flag on TV, but I can't count how many flags I've seen burned in the middle east, so I don't see the need for an anti flag burning law which can only be used to punish people who don't burn the flag and can't touch people who do.------ This thread is Archived ------
Class5: As you say, it is merely a symbol, but it is what the symbolism carries that evokes emotion and patriotic feeling. The desecration of a flag symbolises more than the destruction of a piece of cloth. It reflects a hatred, and a contempt for the nation it represents. However, as a method of demonstrating a group's grievances, it is losing impact through overuse.
Well, there are those like myself that respect Flag Etiquette,,,
The United States Flag Code outlines certain guidelines for the use, display, and disposal of the flag. For example, the flag should never be dipped to any person or thing, unless it is the ensign responding to a salute from a ship of a foreign nation. This tradition may come from the 1908 Summer Olympics in London, where countries were asked to dip their flag to King Edward VII: the American flag bearer did not. Team captain Martin Sheridan is famously quoted as saying "this flag dips to no earthly king", though the true provenance of this quotation is unclear.
Tattered and improperly displayed flag at Spokane Valley Police Headquarters, Spokane, Washington
The flag should never be allowed to touch the ground and, if flown at night, must be illuminated. If the edges become tattered through wear, the flag should be repaired or replaced. When a flag is so tattered that it can no longer serve as a symbol of the United States, it should be destroyed in a dignified manner, preferably by burning. The American Legion and other organizations regularly conduct flag retirement ceremonies, often on Flag Day, June 14. It is a common myth that if a flag touches the ground or becomes soiled, it must be burned as well. While a flag that is currently touching the ground and a soiled flag are unfit for display, neither situation is permanent and thus the flag does not need to be burned if the unfit situation is remedied.
Significantly, the Flag Code prohibits using the flag "for any advertising purpose" and also states that the flag "should not be embroidered, printed, or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use". Both of these codes are generally ignored, almost always without comment.
One of the most commonly ignored and misunderstood aspects of the Flag Code is section 8. "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery." Section 3 of the Flag Code defines a flag for the purposes of the code. Contrary to popular belief, the U.S. Flag Code does permit the use of flag design in fashion etcetera, provided that such a design was not formed using the actual design of the flag. The wearing of any article of clothing representing the flag is allowed, however, the flag itself is not.
Although the Flag Code is U.S. federal law, it is only binding on government institutions displaying the flag: there is no penalty for a private citizen or group failing to comply with the Flag Code and it is not widely enforced—indeed, punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech. Passage of the proposed Flag Desecration Amendment would overrule legal precedent that has been established.
If you read it in full you can see that times have changed and unfortunately IMO a lot of people here just don't seem to care about this respect, not as much, and many don't even know.
------ This thread is Archived ------
ooby_dooby: I don't think I've ever seen an American burning an American flag on TV, but I can't count how many flags I've seen burned in the middle east, so I don't see the need for an anti flag burning law which can only be used to punish people who don't burn the flag and can't touch people who do.
Perhaps not, but ours has been burned in demonstrations here. I wasn't advocating such a law, merely pointing out why some get so upset.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Rubicon76: Yes they do. Its nationalism dressed up and sold as patriotism but lunacy none-the-less.
In a civilised country, no legislation should be passed whereby it makes it illegal to perform an act where no clear victims can be identified.
If you put a face on a flag, who is victimised? Its just a bit of cloth FFS. Total foolishness. Some people might be offended but no-one is hurt.
It would be more appropriate to put an image of Mickey Mouse on your flag.
In a civilised country, no legislation should be passed whereby it makes it illegal to perform an act where no clear victims can be identified.
If you put a face on a flag, who is victimised? Its just a bit of cloth FFS. Total foolishness. Some people might be offended but no-one is hurt.
It would be more appropriate to put an image of Mickey Mouse on your flag.
Same can go with you mr I am so laid back...stick a Gerbil or some rodent on your flag. Put a golden ring on it's neck....oooh..or a golden pig.
If you have no pride in your country then fine. Do what you wish in your wonderland.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Nikogas: Same can go with you mr I am so laid back...stick a Gerbil or some rodent on your flag. Put a golden ring on it's neck....oooh..or a golden pig.
If you have no pride in your country then fine. Do what you wish in your wonderland.
If you have no pride in your country then fine. Do what you wish in your wonderland.
Thanks Niko. I shall.
My flag means nothing to me. It is just a symbol, a piece of cloth. I have pride in my country (not Qatar) but I don't go around suggesting it is better or worse than other nations. Just different as are all countries.
I wish people would recognise that we all are part of the human race. Patriotism and nationalism are things used more as divisive tools by many people.
I cringe when they hear someone say that they are a patriot. It means they believe that their country is more important than anywhere else and it's just not. It may be to them but that is a pretty selfish and xenophobic perspective usually expounded by people who have never seen any part of the world except their own.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Rubicon76: Thanks Niko. I shall.
My flag means nothing to me. It is just a symbol, a piece of cloth. I have pride in my country (not Qatar) but I don't go around suggesting it is better or worse than other nations. Just different as are all countries.
I wish people would recognise that we all are part of the human race. Patriotism and nationalism are things used more as divisive tools by many people.
I cringe when they hear someone say that they are a patriot. It means they believe that their country is more important than anywhere else and it's just not. It may be to them but that is a pretty selfish and xenophobic perspective usually expounded by people who have never seen any part of the world except their own.
My flag means nothing to me. It is just a symbol, a piece of cloth. I have pride in my country (not Qatar) but I don't go around suggesting it is better or worse than other nations. Just different as are all countries.
I wish people would recognise that we all are part of the human race. Patriotism and nationalism are things used more as divisive tools by many people.
I cringe when they hear someone say that they are a patriot. It means they believe that their country is more important than anywhere else and it's just not. It may be to them but that is a pretty selfish and xenophobic perspective usually expounded by people who have never seen any part of the world except their own.
And I am not suggesting mine is` better either,,,actually I am rather partial to Hungary. But I am here, and I guess I just dont like the idea of taking that symbol { the flag} and disgracing it, and truly I would not to anyones', if things like that don't matter to you then that is your deal. And the Qatar flag is fine the way it is. I just get sick of the ridicule. So that's life....oh well. btw, just because some one likes or loves where they are does not mean they think they are better.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Nikogas: And I am not suggesting mine is` better either,,,actually I am rather partial to Hungary. But I am here, and I guess I just dont like the idea of taking that symbol { the flag} and disgracing it, and truly I would not to anyones', if things like that don't matter to you then that is your deal. And the Qatar flag is fine the way it is. I just get sick of the ridicule. So that's life....oh well. btw, just because some one likes or loves where they are does not mean they think they are better.
That's good. You have a healthier perspective then but I don't think enough other people share your objectivity.
As I said, I'm not a Qatari national. But my own flag (NZ) needs changing. Pays a bit too much homage to our colonial roots for our modern identity and I'm sure it will be changed soon. Not that I would be in any way offended if anyone 'messed about with it' in a localised sense.
I just think alot of people lose perspective. Does it not conflict with your first ammendment for free speech if you are an American but feel disaffected by your country and wish to illustrate that by desecrating the flag? Should people not be able to express their disppointment with their country?
------ This thread is Archived ------
Rubicon76: That's good. You have a healthier perspective then but I don't think enough other people share your objectivity.
As I said, I'm not a Qatari national. But my own flag (NZ) needs changing. Pays a bit too much homage to our colonial roots for our modern identity and I'm sure it will be changed soon. Not that I would be in any way offended if anyone 'messed about with it' in a localised sense.
I just think alot of people lose perspective. Does it not conflict with your first ammendment for free speech if you are an American but feel disaffected by your country and wish to illustrate that by desecrating the flag? Should people not be able to express their disppointment with their country?
NZ?? wow, my friend is visiting there and says it is great!! You're right, I am not the "Average" but as said above..there is no law here about the flag,,,people here {usa} are always complaining about something,,,lol. New Zealand..I wish I would have made it down that way....probably not in the near future,,but who knows,,,lol.As I said, I'm not a Qatari national. But my own flag (NZ) needs changing. Pays a bit too much homage to our colonial roots for our modern identity and I'm sure it will be changed soon. Not that I would be in any way offended if anyone 'messed about with it' in a localised sense.
I just think alot of people lose perspective. Does it not conflict with your first ammendment for free speech if you are an American but feel disaffected by your country and wish to illustrate that by desecrating the flag? Should people not be able to express their disppointment with their country?
Good Luck on your "search" you know, that dating thing..
------ This thread is Archived ------
Nikogas: NZ?? wow, my friend is visiting there and says it is great!! You're right, I am not the "Average" but as said above..there is no law here about the flag,,,people here {usa} are always complaining about something,,,lol. New Zealand..I wish I would have made it down that way....probably not in the near future,,but who knows,,,lol.
Good Luck on your "search" you know, that dating thing..
Good Luck on your "search" you know, that dating thing..
Thanks. Yeah, I started out thinking it might be nice to meet someone but now mostly just here for the blogs and fill in the time.
I'll be leaving here soon to go back home (which will be nice). Hopefully you will get a chance to visit sometime. I think you would enjoy it if you came. You never know what twists and turns life has in store. I could not have predicted the course of my life in a million years.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Rubicon76: Thanks. Yeah, I started out thinking it might be nice to meet someone but now mostly just here for the blogs and fill in the time.
I'll be leaving here soon to go back home (which will be nice). Hopefully you will get a chance to visit sometime. I think you would enjoy it if you came. You never know what twists and turns life has in store. I could not have predicted the course of my life in a million years.
I'll be leaving here soon to go back home (which will be nice). Hopefully you will get a chance to visit sometime. I think you would enjoy it if you came. You never know what twists and turns life has in store. I could not have predicted the course of my life in a million years.
Yeah,,,the last ten years have really been a big surprise for me,,,,LOL. Even now I seem to be at a turning point. Something good is happening I'm not sure what it is.
I have a feeling that I have to complete something with my music before the next door opens....but I will see...
------ This thread is Archived ------
Nikogas: Yeah,,,the last ten years have really been a big surprise for me,,,,LOL. Even now I seem to be at a turning point. Something good is happening I'm not sure what it is.
I have a feeling that I have to complete something with my music before the next door opens....but I will see...
I have a feeling that I have to complete something with my music before the next door opens....but I will see...
That's great. I know the feeling you are talking about and its nice when it materialises. You're a musician; that's wonderful. I have a great deal of respect for musicians and wish I had had the courage to enter a career in the field myself when I was younger.
Hope things go well for you. Take care.
------ This thread is Archived ------
This Thread is Archived
This Thread is archived, so you will no longer be able to post to it. Threads get archived automatically when they are older than 3 months.
« Go back to All Threads
« Go back to All Threads
More Threads
More Proof The GOP is a Criminal Organization
The weird and the random facts around the world
Sleepy Don!
wanting beyond need
Unions support Democrats!
men's perspective towards women
Feel Good Music
The Best of the GOP
Happy Birthday MysteriousGirl80
Ladies
More Threads
Report threads that break rules, are offensive, or contain fighting. Staff may not be aware of the forum abuse, and cannot do anything about it unless you tell us about it. click to report forum abuse »
If one of the comments is offensive, please report the comment instead (there is a link in each comment to report it).
If one of the comments is offensive, please report the comment instead (there is a link in each comment to report it).
Stats for this Thread
2,296 Views
41 Comments
Created: Mar 2012
Last Viewed: 21 hrs ago
Last Commented: Mar 2012
0 Likes