Parental Aptitude Testing (59)
almera03: Good points and well put forward by a "man", fair play.
Of course some advances in sterilisation would need to take place so it would be easier to reverse the procedure. The procedure would first take place soon after birth, and remain that way until said aptitude test has been undertaken.
Of course some advances in sterilisation would need to take place so it would be easier to reverse the procedure. The procedure would first take place soon after birth, and remain that way until said aptitude test has been undertaken.
no can do - can't do anything that could interfere with normal maturation of reproductive process - and gender maturation overall
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one thing I don't get is why a man's rejection of your idea is any better just because he is a man....that is also questionable
perhaps I have misundertood something?
perhaps I have misundertood something?
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felixis99: I agree that education and support for parents is the better route because there is not honestly anything that we can do to prevent someone from becoming a parent if they so choose.
I can think if several community resources that were available to me that allowed me to have free time to exercize and provided classes for my kids in art & gymnastics & sports - from quite a young age, there were preschools, inexpensive sitting services, clothing exchanges (baby clothes), parks, outdoor & indoor activities sponsored that kids & parents could do together....the list goes on in terms of the community resources available that helped me be a better mom
I can think if several community resources that were available to me that allowed me to have free time to exercize and provided classes for my kids in art & gymnastics & sports - from quite a young age, there were preschools, inexpensive sitting services, clothing exchanges (baby clothes), parks, outdoor & indoor activities sponsored that kids & parents could do together....the list goes on in terms of the community resources available that helped me be a better mom
Overall USA has many resources and ways for getting children and parents educated.
I am very grateful to your country for the time being there when my children were little. As students –both parents- my children did qualify to attend Montessori kinder garden School with scholarship, otherwise it was awful expensive, out of our budget.
There were also free classes at the community center for adults, where “parenting” was included.
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felixis99: one thing I don't get is why a man's rejection of your idea is any better just because he is a man....that is also questionable
perhaps I have misundertood something?
Did I mention that in such a way.......perhaps I have misundertood something?
are you sure I didn't just highlight that a man posted a comment, surely thats all it was
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almera03: Good points and well put forward by a "man", fair play.
Of course some advances in sterilisation would need to take place so it would be easier to reverse the procedure. The procedure would first take place soon after birth, and remain that way until said aptitude test has been undertaken.
The problem with sterilisation is not only with the administration of the procedure in the first place but the physiological effects of such a procedure being done and the infringing of a persons human rights.Of course some advances in sterilisation would need to take place so it would be easier to reverse the procedure. The procedure would first take place soon after birth, and remain that way until said aptitude test has been undertaken.
This kind of reminds me of that movie "Minority Report"
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lifeisadream: Overall USA has many resources and ways for getting children and parents educated.
I am very grateful to your country for the time being there when my children were little. As students –both parents- my children did qualify to attend Montessori kinder garden School with scholarship, otherwise it was awful expensive, out of our budget.
There were also free classes at the community center for adults, where “parenting” was included.
how often though does it occur that those who take up such parenting classes aren't the ones that really need to, not saying those who do take them don't benefit.I am very grateful to your country for the time being there when my children were little. As students –both parents- my children did qualify to attend Montessori kinder garden School with scholarship, otherwise it was awful expensive, out of our budget.
There were also free classes at the community center for adults, where “parenting” was included.
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almera03: how often though does it occur that those who take up such parenting classes aren't the ones that really need to, not saying those who do take them don't benefit.
The point is that there are resources out there for being a better parent beyond just one test which could define who can be a ”good” parent or not.
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DjWabbet: The problem with sterilisation is not only with the administration of the procedure in the first place but the physiological effects of such a procedure being done and the infringing of a persons human rights.
This kind of reminds me of that movie "Minority Report"
With the procedure being carried out at such a young age, the child would have no memory of it and after a set number of years such practices would be seen as the norm so perhaps eradicating any physiological effects.This kind of reminds me of that movie "Minority Report"
With a changing of the law enforcing sterilisation then a change in Human Rights would need to follow
There will come a time when the World can't support the population, do we wait until then to find a solution. Surely starting this way could help slow such an event.
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lifeisadream: The point is that there are resources out there for being a better parent beyond just one test which could define who can be a ”good” parent or not.
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lifeisadream: Luv no one deserves what you and your family had to pass.It is hard for me to believe that mothers did not see anything wrong with their partners. I believe they did but perhaps where too afraid of them.I wish for you to overcome it -if possible- and get to enjoy a good life.
It's okay. We are all grown, and those of us who are still alive are relatively well adjusted. Unfortunately, three of the four boys became alcoholics. The two from the second family both died of cirrhosis of the liver around age 40, and my brother suffered traumatic brain injury in a car accident while drunk.
The whole point of the post, however, is not for pity, but to express that even a tongue in cheek proposition may have more validity than one would ever expect. I don't think that parental testing be down to the level of challenging one's religious or cultural values, but just to provide a safe environment for children to grow and thrive. It is absolutely true that some people should never be parents.
I truly appreciate this thread. If it can open just one person's eyes to what may be happening to those they love, it is worth it to share.
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almera03: With the procedure being carried out at such a young age, the child would have no memory of it and after a set number of years such practices would be seen as the norm so perhaps eradicating any physiological effects.
With a changing of the law enforcing sterilisation then a change in Human Rights would need to follow
There will come a time when the World can't support the population, do we wait until then to find a solution. Surely starting this way could help slow such an event.
Regardless of whether the child retains any memory of the procedure it is still an infringement of the childs rights, if state sponsored sterilisation is allowed to circumvent the childs rights, what other policies could the state enforce under the guise of "doing whats in your best interests" are to follow?With a changing of the law enforcing sterilisation then a change in Human Rights would need to follow
There will come a time when the World can't support the population, do we wait until then to find a solution. Surely starting this way could help slow such an event.
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LuvHurts51: It's okay. We are all grown, and those of us who are still alive are relatively well adjusted. Unfortunately, three of the four boys became alcoholics. The two from the second family both died of cirrhosis of the liver around age 40, and my brother suffered traumatic brain injury in a car accident while drunk.
The whole point of the post, however, is not for pity, but to express that even a tongue in cheek proposition may have more validity than one would ever expect. I don't think that parental testing be down to the level of challenging one's religious or cultural values, but just to provide a safe environment for children to grow and thrive. It is absolutely true that some people should never be parents.
I truly appreciate this thread. If it can open just one person's eyes to what may be happening to those they love, it is worth it to share.
Huge hugs and thanks for the input The whole point of the post, however, is not for pity, but to express that even a tongue in cheek proposition may have more validity than one would ever expect. I don't think that parental testing be down to the level of challenging one's religious or cultural values, but just to provide a safe environment for children to grow and thrive. It is absolutely true that some people should never be parents.
I truly appreciate this thread. If it can open just one person's eyes to what may be happening to those they love, it is worth it to share.
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almera03: Tests are used to determine whether a person is "good" or not at carrying out many different tasks, so why not parenting.
I am not opposing to have a test for parenting.
My proposal is to consider other resources available for people who want to be parents, besides taking the test if they wish to.
Parents never stop learning.
Would the parenting test be free or cost something?
(EagleWoman already has placed the question: wHo is going to design the test? and who will apply it? who will grade it?....)
Btw as Luv has said this is a great thread.
Great time to all!
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DjWabbet: Regardless of whether the child retains any memory of the procedure it is still an infringement of the childs rights, if state sponsored sterilisation is allowed to circumvent the childs rights, what other policies could the state enforce under the guise of "doing whats in your best interests" are to follow?
haven't we seen such policies with terrorism acts and laws, the proposed idea in this Country of being able to read everyones emails and texts and forcing Companies to hand them over, with the idea of ID cards in this Country. Such policies do creep in under "doing what's in your best interests"------ This thread is Archived ------
almera03: Should all prospective parents be forced to take a Parental Aptitude Test to see if they will make good parents?
What would happen if they took such a test and failed, sterilisation, once a dumba** always one, right!
Would you pass the Test?
What would happen if they took such a test and failed, sterilisation, once a dumba** always one, right!
Would you pass the Test?
How about "parent on probation"
we get little cyborgs for a period of 5 years and if we pass the test as parents ,don`t divorce each other ,we earn the right to have a real baby...
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lifeisadream: I am not opposing to have a test for parenting.
My proposal is to consider other resources available for people who want to be parents, besides taking the test if they wish to.
Parents never stop learning.Would the parenting test be free or cost something?
(EagleWoman already has placed the question: wHo is going to design the test? and who will apply it? who will grade it?....)
Btw as Luv has said this is a great thread.Great time to all!
yes, only if they show a willingness to learn, what if they refuse? What if they don't care?My proposal is to consider other resources available for people who want to be parents, besides taking the test if they wish to.
Parents never stop learning.Would the parenting test be free or cost something?
(EagleWoman already has placed the question: wHo is going to design the test? and who will apply it? who will grade it?....)
Btw as Luv has said this is a great thread.Great time to all!
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almera03: As an after thought, with parental testing, had it been in place some years ago, it may have stopped Bush and Clinton from existing, now there's a thought
Probably not ... their parents probably would have "ticked all the boxes" of "what makes a good parent" as I doubt wisdom, compassion, teaching them to be individuals" etc... would have been on the list!!!
They are most probably the product of what society considers "good parents"
.... now there´s a thought!!!
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lifeisadream: I am not opposing to have a test for parenting.
My proposal is to consider other resources available for people who want to be parents, besides taking the test if they wish to.
Parents never stop learning.Would the parenting test be free or cost something?
(EagleWoman already has placed the question: wHo is going to design the test? and who will apply it? who will grade it?....)
Btw as Luv has said this is a great thread.Great time to all!
Sorry, missed the second part. Taxes of course would pay for the tests, a small increase in your Tax to help protect children is surely a good step forward.My proposal is to consider other resources available for people who want to be parents, besides taking the test if they wish to.
Parents never stop learning.Would the parenting test be free or cost something?
(EagleWoman already has placed the question: wHo is going to design the test? and who will apply it? who will grade it?....)
Btw as Luv has said this is a great thread.Great time to all!
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Boban1: How about "parent on probation"
we get little cyborgs for a period of 5 years and if we pass the test as parents ,don`t divorce each other ,we earn the right to have a real baby...
Good points, probation would if supervised properly help to identify poor parenting skills.we get little cyborgs for a period of 5 years and if we pass the test as parents ,don`t divorce each other ,we earn the right to have a real baby...
Lets not stop with parenting, why not have Husband and Wife aptitude tests, could help stop the increasing divorce rate
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it is your pie in the sky idea that is not valid, sweety....but makes for an interesting discussion.