The Bible and the snake (60)
Sorry for grammar mistakes, but it's late here...
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Abagail: There have been many men who bear testament to the fact that you can grow old without growing up.
I also believe that Michael Shermer is onto something. We always seek out a figure head, someone to keep us in control... a figurehead. It's conflicting when politics enters the arena, because there are more figureheads. Although, we are more likely to question a politians omnipotence... When there is no actual figure in front of us, it's really limited to what information has been passed onto us. Making it very much the thing of myths.
I also believe that Michael Shermer is onto something. We always seek out a figure head, someone to keep us in control... a figurehead. It's conflicting when politics enters the arena, because there are more figureheads. Although, we are more likely to question a politians omnipotence... When there is no actual figure in front of us, it's really limited to what information has been passed onto us. Making it very much the thing of myths.
Us humans are like that. If it is not religion, then it is probably something else.
Could you live totally without psychological security?
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Zebaztian: For me I always wondered how christians think how the devil or satan can be a transcendent entity and suddenly become immanent. And when Paul in
Acts 17:27-28 says: "That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.", it becomes very weird.
How can God be omnipresent when satan is moving around like a lion.
1 Peter 5:8
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour."
And then comes another paradox: If Jesus defeated Satan on the cross, he is still yet present, and not only for thos who don't believe, but for those who believes who should be extra careful to not be tempted by him.
Now when I left christianity I can see these paradoxes more clearly and you can just imagine how many people has become mad because of how much they have been thinking of this issue (that is just one of many paradoxes).
FYI - when I decided to leave christianity for good, my depression dissappeared for good.
Acts 17:27-28 says: "That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.", it becomes very weird.
How can God be omnipresent when satan is moving around like a lion.
1 Peter 5:8
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour."
And then comes another paradox: If Jesus defeated Satan on the cross, he is still yet present, and not only for thos who don't believe, but for those who believes who should be extra careful to not be tempted by him.
Now when I left christianity I can see these paradoxes more clearly and you can just imagine how many people has become mad because of how much they have been thinking of this issue (that is just one of many paradoxes).
FYI - when I decided to leave christianity for good, my depression dissappeared for good.
Just wondered who failed - God, or those who have told you about him?
I have been most fortunate with the ones I discuss God with, and I don't think for a minute that it would give depression if things were explained like they should. Just wisdom. Welcome out though (from the depression).
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olaix: Us humans are like that. If it is not religion, then it is probably something else.
Could you live totally without psychological security?
Could you live totally without psychological security?
We always have an authority figure. The same occurs in the animal kingdom with a leader of a pack. The ultimate figure head would be one that is beyond question... beyond reproach... And one that is not accountable is perfect.
As for Zebaztian's comment earlier about coming out of depression. I read somewhere recently that there was a clinical study, and those with faith did not recover faster...but rather at a lesser rate, because they simply believed it would happen. Positive thinking has always been something we put forward in the community , but is it always beneficial?
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Abagail: We always have an authority figure. The same occurs in the animal kingdom with a leader of a pack. The ultimate figure head would be one that is beyond question... beyond reproach... And one that is not accountable is perfect.
As for Zebaztian's comment earlier about coming out of depression. I read somewhere recently that there was a clinical study, and those with faith did not recover faster...but rather at a lesser rate, because they simply believed it would happen. Positive thinking has always been something we put forward in the community , but is it always beneficial?
As for Zebaztian's comment earlier about coming out of depression. I read somewhere recently that there was a clinical study, and those with faith did not recover faster...but rather at a lesser rate, because they simply believed it would happen. Positive thinking has always been something we put forward in the community , but is it always beneficial?
Positive thinking or stupid thinking? I know those two have a relationship, and so-called positive thinking have just shown to be very stupid, especially in the long run. The other kind of positive thinking, is simply the truth. It will show you the truth about yourself, others, society, literacy etc etc. I think the truth punishes ppl for ignoring it, even if its just to think about nothing.
And we're being punished for the same politically, or, actually 100% ideationally, that is, in some personal mechanically random reconstructed way.
That is our psychological authority.
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olaix: What exactly is Lucifer?
Politician / Corporations - with it's leadership, that is destroying our planet, rain forests ectr. There you have it ( With the help of religion of course ) - - - - Representative of Lucifer now sits in the "holly seat" in Vatican
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Abagail: So is the Original Sin story. Entertaining,but one could hardly take it literally.
Tell that to all those Christian Fundamentalist nut jobs, who take the bible literally, and are blind to any form of reason, or clear logical thought - - - -
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54xmax: Tell that to all those Christian Fundamentalist nut jobs, who take the bible literally, and are blind to any form of reason, or clear logical thought - - - -
I would certainly like to...but no-one has introduced me to them all personally yet.
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olaix: Positive thinking or stupid thinking? I know those two have a relationship, and so-called positive thinking have just shown to be very stupid, especially in the long run. The other kind of positive thinking, is simply the truth. It will show you the truth about yourself, others, society, literacy etc etc. I think the truth punishes ppl for ignoring it, even if its just to think about nothing.
And we're being punished for the same politically, or, actually 100% ideationally, that is, in some personal mechanically random reconstructed way.
That is our psychological authority.
And we're being punished for the same politically, or, actually 100% ideationally, that is, in some personal mechanically random reconstructed way.
That is our psychological authority.
So you want people to be realistic? To question information they are fed? Isn't it easier for them to just believe the stories they were brought up on? After all, their grandparents would not lie to them... There was a snake, a garden, an apple...
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Abagail: I would certainly like to...but no-one has introduced me to them all personally yet.
Well you'll find more then enough of them here on CS
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54xmax: Well you'll find more then enough of them here on CS - - - - But I take it you are not one of those - - - - -
...Well not yet... Not until I am 'saved' ...
Which means I am lost at the moment, it's not a bad place to be.
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Abagail: So you want people to be realistic? To question information they are fed? Isn't it easier for them to just believe the stories they were brought up on? After all, their grandparents would not lie to them... There was a snake, a garden, an apple...
what do u mean?
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olaix: what do u mean?
I mean it's very much like looking at etchings on cave walls and taking them literally to mean something in today's society.
The Biblical word is often taken at face value without us ever questioning why it's the only book that doesn't require an update.
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Abagail: Appears to grow? Do you mean ...it appears to be translated more than most books, changing it's meaning?
If it helps, Olaix... I wouldn't pick up an old medical journal and try to revive someone based on old advice. I would ask what the latest medical proceedure is. Imagine if I slapped leeches on you because I believed it was going to help your health. Or I could treat you for snake bite like they did once, which may lead you to lose a limb. Of course, there's always a risk that you are going to die anyway, but let me help you...
Did I understand you to say that I am ignorant because I don't believe more than ... say... any other monist? I don't believe we go beyond our own mortality?
If it helps, Olaix... I wouldn't pick up an old medical journal and try to revive someone based on old advice. I would ask what the latest medical proceedure is. Imagine if I slapped leeches on you because I believed it was going to help your health. Or I could treat you for snake bite like they did once, which may lead you to lose a limb. Of course, there's always a risk that you are going to die anyway, but let me help you...
Did I understand you to say that I am ignorant because I don't believe more than ... say... any other monist? I don't believe we go beyond our own mortality?
I'm afraid that is not what I'm doing
It has more to do with a taste for philosophy, and the spiritual part and the meaning of it has poked my interest, in a scientific way, in regard to what it would mean and do in a human life. And the Religious books are part of the curriculum. The expression that a book grows with you, comes from the idea of a book that is above your head. And as you read it, you gain understanding, and as you gain understanding, you also gain "standing" for more understanding. A lot of books have a ceiling reached very quickly. The Bible apparently has not.
Anyways, ignorant or not, I know I am about the Bible, so I don't have a opinion, just interested to see what is meant by it. Something is meant, but that doesn't mean I'll buy it ...is that what you think I do?
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EagleWoman: I think she tricked him and HE ate the apple while she only pretended she was going to, or may be she meant to but then she changed her mind and said NO! ...
That´s why men have been left with physical desire but fear of commitment, while women still operate on a more intuitive level, although can still leave it till after a bite has been taken to say NO!!
Basically, nothing´s changed that much
Just kidding Olaix!!! Was just stereotyping!!! My bad!!
That´s why men have been left with physical desire but fear of commitment, while women still operate on a more intuitive level, although can still leave it till after a bite has been taken to say NO!!
Basically, nothing´s changed that much
Just kidding Olaix!!! Was just stereotyping!!! My bad!!
It would be a very small cage for you in my basement :)
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olaix: It would be a very small cage for you in my basement :)
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I do not believe it's as easy as understanding a book, more that it's a journey of our brain. We seem to project these images, wanting to believe we are part of a bigger picture. Believing in God provides an explanation for our universe, our world, and ourselves. It explains where we came from, why we are here, and where we are going. God is the ultimate enforcer of the rules, the final arbiter of moral dilemmas, and the pinnacle object of commitment.
Isn't it time to step out of our evolutionary heritage and our historical traditions and embrace science? It's time for us to work together to create a social and political world that embraces moral principles and yet allows human diversity to flourish?
People have incredible imaginations, thus the reason we have Star Wars, Star Trek, Avatar, Harry Potter... and I have heard people say that the book grows with you ? You read it again, and you have missed something essential the first...second or third time. The line between conscious fiction and subconscious imagining is a delicate one.
Isn't it time to step out of our evolutionary heritage and our historical traditions and embrace science? It's time for us to work together to create a social and political world that embraces moral principles and yet allows human diversity to flourish?
People have incredible imaginations, thus the reason we have Star Wars, Star Trek, Avatar, Harry Potter... and I have heard people say that the book grows with you ? You read it again, and you have missed something essential the first...second or third time. The line between conscious fiction and subconscious imagining is a delicate one.
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Abagail: I do not believe it's as easy as understanding a book, more that it's a journey of our brain. We seem to project these images, wanting to believe we are part of a bigger picture. Believing in God provides an explanation for our universe, our world, and ourselves. It explains where we came from, why we are here, and where we are going. God is the ultimate enforcer of the rules, the final arbiter of moral dilemmas, and the pinnacle object of commitment.
Isn't it time to step out of our evolutionary heritage and our historical traditions and embrace science? It's time for us to work together to create a social and political world that embraces moral principles and yet allows human diversity to flourish?
People have incredible imaginations, thus the reason we have Star Wars, Star Trek, Avatar, Harry Potter... and I have heard people say that the book grows with you ? You read it again, and you have missed something essential the first...second or third time. The line between conscious fiction and subconscious imagining is a delicate one.
Isn't it time to step out of our evolutionary heritage and our historical traditions and embrace science? It's time for us to work together to create a social and political world that embraces moral principles and yet allows human diversity to flourish?
People have incredible imaginations, thus the reason we have Star Wars, Star Trek, Avatar, Harry Potter... and I have heard people say that the book grows with you ? You read it again, and you have missed something essential the first...second or third time. The line between conscious fiction and subconscious imagining is a delicate one.
what you describe is very 2 dimentional, just because some have not experienced anything beyond their mind and body and science hasn´t yet "discovered" "it" doesn´t mean it doesn´t already exist. And I´m not talking about God. I´m talking about other dimensions, other levels of vibration, other experiences beyond the mind and the body ...
A social and political world, we already have. The clashes that already exist do because NO ONE can agree on the same "moral" code.
Who is going to decide whose moral code is THE ONE?
Some ancient "traditions" were a lot healthier and moral where humans followed earth and seasoned cycles respecting the land that nourished them, modern values seem to be about ego and power including those who think THEIR values and morals are so way above the rest. IMO
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EagleWoman: what you describe is very 2 dimentional, just because some have not experienced anything beyond their mind and body and science hasn´t yet "discovered" "it" doesn´t mean it doesn´t already exist. And I´m not talking about God. I´m talking about other dimensions, other levels of vibration, other experiences beyond the mind and the body ...
A social and political world, we already have. The clashes that already exist do because NO ONE can agree on the same "moral" code.
Who is going to decide whose moral code is THE ONE?
Some ancient "traditions" were a lot healthier and moral where humans followed earth and seasoned cycles respecting the land that nourished them, modern values seem to be about ego and power including those who think THEIR values and morals are so way above the rest. IMO
A social and political world, we already have. The clashes that already exist do because NO ONE can agree on the same "moral" code.
Who is going to decide whose moral code is THE ONE?
Some ancient "traditions" were a lot healthier and moral where humans followed earth and seasoned cycles respecting the land that nourished them, modern values seem to be about ego and power including those who think THEIR values and morals are so way above the rest. IMO
We already have politicians deciding for us what is 'moral', and they don't always get it right. Often their decisions are based on, "Do as I say, not do as I do".
As for the two dimensional... that is a fairly accurate observation. I would consider myself a monist. Which simply means I think there is one thing in our head... a brain. A dualist by comparison would consider that there is a brain AND a mind.Which is where we get the belief system from. The differences between individual beliefs.
Obviously there is more to discover yet, in space ...even on our planet. Another being may exist, or many... I am simply waiting for proof of that existence before I set up an altar.
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Acts 17:27-28 says: "That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.", it becomes very weird.
How can God be omnipresent when satan is moving around like a lion.
1 Peter 5:8
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour."
And then comes another paradox: If Jesus defeated Satan on the cross, he is still yet present, and not only for thos who don't believe, but for those who believes who should be extra careful to not be tempted by him.
Now when I left christianity I can see these paradoxes more clearly and you can just imagine how many people has become mad because of how much they have been thinking of this issue (that is just one of many paradoxes).
FYI - when I decided to leave christianity for good, my depression dissappeared for good.