The Bible and the snake (60)
Abagail: We already have politicians deciding for us what is 'moral', and they don't always get it right. Often their decisions are based on, "Do as I say, not do as I do".
As for the two dimensional... that is a fairly accurate observation. I would consider myself a monist. Which simply means I think there is one thing in our head... a brain. A dualist by comparison would consider that there is a brain AND a mind.Which is where we get the belief system from. The differences between individual beliefs.
Obviously there is more to discover yet, in space ...even on our planet. Another being may exist, or many... I am simply waiting for proof of that existence before I set up an altar.
As for the two dimensional... that is a fairly accurate observation. I would consider myself a monist. Which simply means I think there is one thing in our head... a brain. A dualist by comparison would consider that there is a brain AND a mind.Which is where we get the belief system from. The differences between individual beliefs.
Obviously there is more to discover yet, in space ...even on our planet. Another being may exist, or many... I am simply waiting for proof of that existence before I set up an altar.
No one is talking altars :) But let me ask you something :)
What is faith? faith is a big subject in Religion. I like to think about what the meaning of religion in itself is, not according to the Catholics, the Orthodox, the Muslims or the Hindu, but religion in itself. What is it?
Then, what is faith in itself? I have been trying to isolate faith to see what it does in itself. Once I realized, I found it 100% logical that some people think faith is a gift from "God". I would think this as a atheist too.
Then about the physical brain - what is the perceiving part of your consciousness? the part before what you see goes into the memory bank... try to observe it and think about it.
Does it have color? does it have shape? is it a thought or a object? it is not physical, is it?
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olaix: No one is talking altars :) But let me ask you something :)
What is faith? faith is a big subject in Religion. I like to think about what the meaning of religion in itself is, not according to the Catholics, the Orthodox, the Muslims or the Hindu, but religion in itself. What is it?
Then, what is faith in itself? I have been trying to isolate faith to see what it does in itself. Once I realized, I found it 100% logical that some people think faith is a gift from "God". I would think this as a atheist too.
Then about the physical brain - what is the perceiving part of your consciousness? the part before what you see goes into the memory bank... try to observe it and think about it.
Does it have color? does it have shape? is it a thought or a object? it is not physical, is it?
What is faith? faith is a big subject in Religion. I like to think about what the meaning of religion in itself is, not according to the Catholics, the Orthodox, the Muslims or the Hindu, but religion in itself. What is it?
Then, what is faith in itself? I have been trying to isolate faith to see what it does in itself. Once I realized, I found it 100% logical that some people think faith is a gift from "God". I would think this as a atheist too.
Then about the physical brain - what is the perceiving part of your consciousness? the part before what you see goes into the memory bank... try to observe it and think about it.
Does it have color? does it have shape? is it a thought or a object? it is not physical, is it?
"...every faith in the world is based on fabrication. That is the definition of faith- the acceptance of what we imagine to be true, that which we cannot prove. Every religion describes God through metaphor, allegory and exaggeration, from the early Egyptians through modern Sunday School. Metaphors are a way to help our minds process the unprocessible. The problems arise when we begin to believe literally in our own metaphors."-The Da Vinci Code, Dan Brown
I rather like that particular quote. It's the most accurate one I have read in regards to faith.
A memory bank? It's interesting, I read some research recently about people extracting memories because they believe our memories are like slide shows and that is what can be done, however... that is not the case. Often thoughts can be re-inforced by extraneous factors, which are not true to memory.
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olaix: No one is talking altars :) But let me ask you something :)
What is faith? faith is a big subject in Religion. I like to think about what the meaning of religion in itself is, not according to the Catholics, the Orthodox, the Muslims or the Hindu, but religion in itself. What is it?
Then, what is faith in itself? I have been trying to isolate faith to see what it does in itself. Once I realized, I found it 100% logical that some people think faith is a gift from "God". I would think this as a atheist too.
Then about the physical brain - what is the perceiving part of your consciousness? the part before what you see goes into the memory bank... try to observe it and think about it.
Does it have color? does it have shape? is it a thought or a object? it is not physical, is it?
What is faith? faith is a big subject in Religion. I like to think about what the meaning of religion in itself is, not according to the Catholics, the Orthodox, the Muslims or the Hindu, but religion in itself. What is it?
Then, what is faith in itself? I have been trying to isolate faith to see what it does in itself. Once I realized, I found it 100% logical that some people think faith is a gift from "God". I would think this as a atheist too.
Then about the physical brain - what is the perceiving part of your consciousness? the part before what you see goes into the memory bank... try to observe it and think about it.
Does it have color? does it have shape? is it a thought or a object? it is not physical, is it?
As for your original question, about Eve, the snake and the apple. In 2011, I wrote a tongue in cheek article that you might find amusing.
Walk with me, let’s talk. I have an idea…which I will introduce slowly to you. However, firstly, let’s go for a walk down memory lane to a few concepts that were believed to be fact in our history.
We are going to return to how man used to think life arose. Bizarrely there was a time in our history that he believed life arose from inanimate matter. For example… maggots come spontaneously from rotting meat. Proponents of the view used the Bible as a source of evidence, after all God man from dust. Aristotle said in no uncertain terms that animals grow spontaneously, and not from other animals of their kind. Anaximander (a Greek philosopher who taught Pythagoras) believed at some point in a man’s history, humans had been born from the soil into adult form. Scientist’s right up until the 19th century believed this, and even wrote recipe books for it. One such recipe (to make a scorpion) calls for basil, placed between two bricks and left in sunlight. The theory was not finally put to rest until 1859, when Louis Pasteur proved it wrong once and for all
So times have changed slowly, as one idea is disputed and replaced with a new scientifically correct notion. One of the most famous of the concepts that has been debunked is egocentricity, which stated the earth is the centre of the Universe and everything else moves around it. It was an idea widely believed by the Ancient Greeks and the Ancient Chinese. Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler replaced the geocentric model in the 16th century.
…of course, there was a time that we even believed the world was flat. Although the Greek and Phoenician astronomers and mathematicians knew this was not the case about 2400 years ago, so even that idea was debunked. Long before our time.
On a personal level, it was believed that if we disfigured a dead person, it stopped them from entering the afterlife. The Egyptians removed organs through tiny slits in bodies. With time these ideas changed and we had autopsists like Erasistratus and Herophilus of Chalcedon in the 3rd century BC.
So with these examples I have taken you through a few of the most notable changes in our history… Today I am going to dispute another one. It was mentioned to me that Eve was the first person to carry sin, and since then she has been burdened with the plight of being a woman. .. shamed accordingly for her sin. As with all things I believe it’s all about perspective, let me put it to you, my genteel readers that she was our first Scientist. It was in fact a woman that stepped forward to question what she was told, in fact, to dispute the myth of the sinful fruit. And if that is the case, we have one of the greatest conspiracies that we have ever faced before us. Eve was not in fact willful and wicked, but rather, she exceeded expectations and was simply our first ‘Scientist’.
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Satan is the father of lies. He takes on many shapes if you will. He is hear to tempt us into disobeying God Word. He was once a great Angel in heaven until he said he was gonna be like God. Our God, being as Holy as he is, is also a jealous God. None will be above him. He booted Satan out of Heaven and now Satan runs the world causing troubles and pain.
We need to study the bible to know the truth. Once we know the truth, we can fight Satan and his demons.
OUR BIBLE
Did you know that when you carry the Bible, Satan has a
headache, when you open it, he collapses, when he sees you reading it, he
loses his strength, AND when you stand on the Word of God, Satan can't hurt
you!
Satan can not live where truth is.
I pray that God will touch all hearts and find new followers. I pray that he blesses all with health and happiness.
We need to study the bible to know the truth. Once we know the truth, we can fight Satan and his demons.
OUR BIBLE
Did you know that when you carry the Bible, Satan has a
headache, when you open it, he collapses, when he sees you reading it, he
loses his strength, AND when you stand on the Word of God, Satan can't hurt
you!
Satan can not live where truth is.
I pray that God will touch all hearts and find new followers. I pray that he blesses all with health and happiness.
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Abagail: "...every faith in the world is based on fabrication. That is the definition of faith- the acceptance of what we imagine to be true, that which we cannot prove. Every religion describes God through metaphor, allegory and exaggeration, from the early Egyptians through modern Sunday School. Metaphors are a way to help our minds process the unprocessible. The problems arise when we begin to believe literally in our own metaphors."-The Da Vinci Code, Dan Brown
I rather like that particular quote. It's the most accurate one I have read in regards to faith.
A memory bank? It's interesting, I read some research recently about people extracting memories because they believe our memories are like slide shows and that is what can be done, however... that is not the case. Often thoughts can be re-inforced by extraneous factors, which are not true to memory.
I rather like that particular quote. It's the most accurate one I have read in regards to faith.
A memory bank? It's interesting, I read some research recently about people extracting memories because they believe our memories are like slide shows and that is what can be done, however... that is not the case. Often thoughts can be re-inforced by extraneous factors, which are not true to memory.
You are using the word faith as synonymous with "dogma". To me it feels different and has nothing to do with dogma or anyone´s definition ancient or modern.
I don´t DO religion yet faith is part of my life. For me it is a feeling/energy not a definition. That energy resides around the area of the solar plexus in the body, NOT in my mind. For faith to reside in the mind/brain it would have to be the result of working out pros and cons and deciding to go with it. But I see that (as well as being brainwashed into it) as "paying lip service to the idea of it" rather than "living it".
I guess I believe in my own metaphors!!
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EagleWoman: You are using the word faith as synonymous with "dogma". To me it feels different and has nothing to do with dogma or anyone´s definition ancient or modern.
I don´t DO religion yet faith is part of my life. For me it is a feeling/energy not a definition. That energy resides around the area of the solar plexus in the body, NOT in my mind. For faith to reside in the mind/brain it would have to be the result of working out pros and cons and deciding to go with it. But I see that (as well as being brainwashed into it) as "paying lip service to the idea of it" rather than "living it".
I guess I believe in my own metaphors!!
I don´t DO religion yet faith is part of my life. For me it is a feeling/energy not a definition. That energy resides around the area of the solar plexus in the body, NOT in my mind. For faith to reside in the mind/brain it would have to be the result of working out pros and cons and deciding to go with it. But I see that (as well as being brainwashed into it) as "paying lip service to the idea of it" rather than "living it".
I guess I believe in my own metaphors!!
I see the definitions a little differently to you, however... I believe in myself, and I guess that's faith. To have faith in yourself and to move forward in life is tantamount to being true to yourself and your own beliefs.
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Abagail: I see the definitions a little differently to you, however... I believe in myself, and I guess that's faith. To have faith in yourself and to move forward in life is tantamount to being true to yourself and your own beliefs.
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I now a few words there is writen in the bibel ,you shall not steall if you do sutch thing you will burn op i HELL.oa
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olaix: As I'm really an agnostic for now, whether the creature or entity we call God exist or not, is something of which I do not have any say on, as well as the rest of the creatures and events that are written about in the Bible, or any other religious book, I do not know, and I reject "knowledge" about it.
I can, however, think of a few things that would deserve and make sense of the use of the word God, things that aren't things, not reachable by thought, similarly as the essence of nothing, and is universal, as in the right sense of the word "itself".
I do believe that the Bible, however, as well as other books like it, has potentially profound meanings which can be extracted from the text.
So, I came to think about the snake, in the story of Adam and Eve. What is this creature all about? and how can it be related to us, if at all? or is it a coincidence or a symbol, not a relation?If that is not the case, thank you for reading. If that is the case, what does it mean?
I can, however, think of a few things that would deserve and make sense of the use of the word God, things that aren't things, not reachable by thought, similarly as the essence of nothing, and is universal, as in the right sense of the word "itself".
I do believe that the Bible, however, as well as other books like it, has potentially profound meanings which can be extracted from the text.
So, I came to think about the snake, in the story of Adam and Eve. What is this creature all about? and how can it be related to us, if at all? or is it a coincidence or a symbol, not a relation?If that is not the case, thank you for reading. If that is the case, what does it mean?
As the so called bible is but over 90% copied from the most ancient Creation Myth of Sumeria, called the Enuma Elish, you really should read a modern, updated translation. It fully explains in detail all about just who created Humankind, Eden and just who used the Snake as their symbol which also became the symbol for Medicine with the human genetic/ DNA code...You may be rather surprised, as all the world creation myths can be linguistically traced back to what seems to have been this planets first language; Sumerian.
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Dos it say in the Enuma Elish that Satan Rebelled against God? Does it say that Satan had the characteristics of a snake where it can hypnotize its prey? Does it say in there that evil is the aggressor for destruction? Does it say that Eve was completely seduced? Does it talk about the Lineages down to Jesus Christ and the KEY OF DAVID? Does it say that Cain was born of Satan the snake and not Adam?
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olaix: How about its nature?
Satan(Lucifer) the light bearer, is originally good...because he is originally one of those trusted angels of God. But then, he wanted to become like God...He "rebelled" against God. So that is why he and one-third of the angels were cast out of heaven. Lucifer was given the power to rule over this world.
In response to: Evil is an internal rebellion against Good and that this world we live in is occupied by Evil.
-CS Lewis; Mere Christianity
-CS Lewis; Mere Christianity
If you have ever read Mere Christianity by CS Lewis, it is very interesting.
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I understand that the snake to many is a symbol of "Evil" but I kinda feel it got a bad rap. I used to have and raise many snakes. At one point I had over 50 snakes of all sizes and varieties, some with beautiful colors.
I even have a snake tatoo on my back that is combined with a rose and some other stuff.
I even have a snake tatoo on my back that is combined with a rose and some other stuff.
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Nikogas: I understand that the snake to many is a symbol of "Evil" but I kinda feel it got a bad rap. I used to have and raise many snakes. At one point I had over 50 snakes of all sizes and varieties, some with beautiful colors.
I even have a snake tatoo on my back that is combined with a rose and some other stuff.
I even have a snake tatoo on my back that is combined with a rose and some other stuff.
Remember the time when Moses turned a snake into a rod?
"Among archaic peoples the serpent was regarded as having powers to communicate, to deceive, to heal, to hide, to reveal and to protect." Serpent is a sign of wisdom.
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olaix: As I'm really an agnostic for now, whether the creature or entity we call God exist or not, is something of which I do not have any say on, as well as the rest of the creatures and events that are written about in the Bible, or any other religious book, I do not know, and I reject "knowledge" about it.
I can, however, think of a few things that would deserve and make sense of the use of the word God, things that aren't things, not reachable by thought, similarly as the essence of nothing, and is universal, as in the right sense of the word "itself".
I do believe that the Bible, however, as well as other books like it, has potentially profound meanings which can be extracted from the text.
So, I came to think about the snake, in the story of Adam and Eve. What is this creature all about? and how can it be related to us, if at all? or is it a coincidence or a symbol, not a relation?If that is not the case, thank you for reading. If that is the case, what does it mean?
I can, however, think of a few things that would deserve and make sense of the use of the word God, things that aren't things, not reachable by thought, similarly as the essence of nothing, and is universal, as in the right sense of the word "itself".
I do believe that the Bible, however, as well as other books like it, has potentially profound meanings which can be extracted from the text.
So, I came to think about the snake, in the story of Adam and Eve. What is this creature all about? and how can it be related to us, if at all? or is it a coincidence or a symbol, not a relation?If that is not the case, thank you for reading. If that is the case, what does it mean?
Extracting meaning from text (any text) is a guaranteed event. Not sure that makes the bible more profound, since profound comes from one's own attached meaning, even if the meaning is learned.
It's well documented that authors are varied, several different Johns for example yet the text is credited as if to one John.
I think they smoked too much peyote and tried to make sense of life given their contemporary notions and ideals.
Its not the only book with a logos and or stories, metaphors and life direction along with some useful cosmology. It is however one that has had the holy crap edited into and out of it, not to mention being stolen from other civs and attempting to integrate both pagan and jewish ideals to solidfy an empire.
If you trace back further you'll find prior civilizations that 'owned' very much the same stories. And you might want to go back as far as Sumar to get to the bottom of it, ... Persia and Egypt not withstanding. If you look seriously you'll find about 23 (as I recall) other stories of virgin conception, christ (aka a saviour) dying on a cross and rising after, etc., written by previous civs.
The bible is a good Roman paperweight and the snake is just an example of people confused in duality, calling it morality.
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Extracting meaning from text (any text) is a guaranteed event. Not sure that makes the bible more profound, since profound comes from one's own attached meaning, even if the meaning is learned.
It's well documented that authors are varied, several different Johns for example yet the text is credited as if to one John.
I think they smoked too much peyote and tried to make sense of life given their contemporary notions and ideals.
Its not the only book with a logos and or stories, metaphors and life direction along with some useful cosmology. It is however one that has had the holy crap edited into and out of it, not to mention being stolen from other civs and attempting to integrate both pagan and jewish ideals to solidfy an empire.
If you trace back further you'll find prior civilizations that 'owned' very much the same stories. And you might want to go back as far as Sumar to get to the bottom of it, ... Persia and Egypt not withstanding. If you look seriously you'll find about 23 (as I recall) other stories of virgin conception, christ (aka a saviour) dying on a cross and rising after, etc., written by previous civs.
The bible is a good Roman paperweight and the snake is just an example of people confused in duality, calling it morality.[/quote]
I rather like that statement.It seems most fitting.
It's well documented that authors are varied, several different Johns for example yet the text is credited as if to one John.
I think they smoked too much peyote and tried to make sense of life given their contemporary notions and ideals.
Its not the only book with a logos and or stories, metaphors and life direction along with some useful cosmology. It is however one that has had the holy crap edited into and out of it, not to mention being stolen from other civs and attempting to integrate both pagan and jewish ideals to solidfy an empire.
If you trace back further you'll find prior civilizations that 'owned' very much the same stories. And you might want to go back as far as Sumar to get to the bottom of it, ... Persia and Egypt not withstanding. If you look seriously you'll find about 23 (as I recall) other stories of virgin conception, christ (aka a saviour) dying on a cross and rising after, etc., written by previous civs.
The bible is a good Roman paperweight and the snake is just an example of people confused in duality, calling it morality.[/quote]
I rather like that statement.It seems most fitting.
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Abagail:
The bible is a good Roman paperweight and the snake is just an example of people confused in duality, calling it morality.
I rather like that statement.It seems most fitting.
The bible is a good Roman paperweight and the snake is just an example of people confused in duality, calling it morality.
I rather like that statement.It seems most fitting.
yeah ... but what does it mean?
kidding.
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noonavec: Remember the time when Moses turned a snake into a rod?
"Among archaic peoples the serpent was regarded as having powers to communicate, to deceive, to heal, to hide, to reveal and to protect." Serpent is a sign of wisdom.
"Among archaic peoples the serpent was regarded as having powers to communicate, to deceive, to heal, to hide, to reveal and to protect." Serpent is a sign of wisdom.
remember??? c'mon...the beard doesn't make me look that old! I do remember,,but I was pretty young back then.
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GET A LIFE OUT SITE THE BOOK.
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BB_snickers: yeah ... but what does it mean? kidding.
Monism versus dualism? 
Or the paperweight? The paperweight would just indicate you didn't like shopping, and couldn't be bothered going out to look for something nicer.
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As for the two dimensional... that is a fairly accurate observation. I would consider myself a monist. Which simply means I think there is one thing in our head... a brain. A dualist by comparison would consider that there is a brain AND a mind.Which is where we get the belief system from. The differences between individual beliefs.
Obviously there is more to discover yet, in space ...even on our planet. Another being may exist, or many... I am simply waiting for proof of that existence before I set up an altar.
Not sure I agree with your description of dualism or even that of monism
But IMO the belief systems were not created because some people believed in "the mind". I don´t think science was advanced enough when some of the belief systems were created to explain it in a scientific way therefore couldn´t be the result of being aware of "a mind" ...