Why should I pay for someone else's kids?? (55)
Another thread that should get interesting 
Just out of interest what is your alternative ?
Just out of interest what is your alternative ?
a hell of a lot of the parents of those kids you say you are paying for, were and will be again, financial contributors to society. Please do not assume that everyone who is on a social welfare payment or benefit of any kind is a scrounger.
I worked for years, paid taxes for years..... yes I get a social welfare payment now.....do i intend on always being like this....no!
Please do not tar everyone with the same brush.
I worked for years, paid taxes for years..... yes I get a social welfare payment now.....do i intend on always being like this....no!
Please do not tar everyone with the same brush.
vinny1967: Another thread that should get interesting Just out of interest what is your alternative ?
I do understand the need for safety nets in society. But the idea that people have a right to these things is crazy. They have kids, draw the dole, children's allowance, CWO, etc. I would completely agree with Joan Burton's idea of taking money from the father's salaries if they are working. The parents of the children should be forced to take up training courses if they have little or no education. Proper training courses that will lead to good qualifications. I understand that during a recession this may seem futile without jobs at the end of it but it will benefit them for the future.
I haven't really thought out alternatives, to be honest. Just sick of paying and slaving for other peoples kids.
vinny1967: Another thread that should get interesting Just out of interest what is your alternative ?
I do understand the need for safety nets in society. But the idea that people have a right to these things is crazy. They have kids, draw the dole, children's allowance, CWO, etc. I would completely agree with Joan Burton's idea of taking money from the father's salaries if they are working. The parents of the children should be forced to take up training courses if they have little or no education. Proper training courses that will lead to good qualifications. I understand that during a recession this may seem futile without jobs at the end of it but it will benefit them for the future.
I haven't really thought out alternatives, to be honest. Just sick of paying and slaving for other peoples kids.
mr1983: I think this is a relevant question but some people may find it offensive. Why should my taxes go to pay for someone else's kids? If I ever decide to have kids, I'll plan for them and even then it will be a big sacrifice. But why is it that people expect the taxpayer to stump up money for free buggies and houses, free uniforms,etc for their kids. I understand the need for a social safety net in society but this country is crazy. Soon I'll be paying for their water charges along with my own also.
In Germany when people have their first kid, they are sent to a family planning lecture on the cost of children,etc. Here they are sent to the social welfare! I'm sick of trying to save and struggle while I pay for other people's kids.
Opinions!!!
In Germany when people have their first kid, they are sent to a family planning lecture on the cost of children,etc. Here they are sent to the social welfare! I'm sick of trying to save and struggle while I pay for other people's kids.
Opinions!!!
For the very same reasons that your taxes are or were used to provide roads in deepest rural areas, provide electricity and telephones to remote regions that would otherwise be unviable, to give aid to third world countries etc etc. A country cannot be run on an individual by individual basis. Like the Keane thread this is just another attempt to be divisive...
Mariannette: a hell of a lot of the parents of those kids you say you are paying for, were and will be again, financial contributors to society. Please do not assume that everyone who is on a social welfare payment or benefit of any kind is a scrounger.
I worked for years, paid taxes for years..... yes I get a social welfare payment now.....do i intend on always being like this....no!
Please do not tar everyone with the same brush.
I worked for years, paid taxes for years..... yes I get a social welfare payment now.....do i intend on always being like this....no!
Please do not tar everyone with the same brush.
The post may not have explicitly stated that people like you were not the type of people who I was talking about but I think it implicitly stated that people who lost jobs, etc did not come into my thoughts. I agree that safety nets must be there but thats exactly what they must be. They should not be there for people to turn 18, go to the dole office, never work a day in their lives, get their pension, have 4-5 kids, and the kids then become wards of the state.
skyblue43: For the very same reasons that your taxes are or were used to provide roads in deepest rural areas, provide electricity and telephones to remote regions that would otherwise be unviable, to give aid to third world countries etc etc. A country cannot be run on an individual by individual basis. Like the Keane thread this is just another attempt to be divisive...
Roy Keane is always going to be a divisive subject, as is something like this. But my point is not that we shouldn't have no social welfare. My point is that there is quite a few people in this country who never worked, never will work, and never intended to work and I will pay for their kids.
I don't mean to tar everyone with the same brush. I probably should have stated that clearer.
mr1983: I do understand the need for safety nets in society. But the idea that people have a right to these things is crazy. They have kids, draw the dole, children's allowance, CWO, etc. I would completely agree with Joan Burton's idea of taking money from the father's salaries if they are working. The parents of the children should be forced to take up training courses if they have little or no education. Proper training courses that will lead to good qualifications. I understand that during a recession this may seem futile without jobs at the end of it but it will benefit them for the future.
I haven't really thought out alternatives, to be honest. Just sick of paying and slaving for other peoples kids.
I haven't really thought out alternatives, to be honest. Just sick of paying and slaving for other peoples kids.
Too much generalising for me Mr
These things can not be just taken away and for me it would take a concerted effort by successive governments to commit to education especially for our young but there are very few votes in that so that's unlikely to happen.
In response to: I think this is a relevant question but some people may find it offensive. Why should my taxes go to pay for someone else's kids? If I ever decide to have kids, I'll plan for them and even then it will be a big sacrifice. But why is it that people expect the taxpayer to stump up money for free buggies and houses, free uniforms,etc for their kids. I understand the need for a social safety net in society but this country is crazy. Soon I'll be paying for their water charges along with my own also.
In Germany when people have their first kid, they are sent to a family planning lecture on the cost of children,etc. Here they are sent to the social welfare! I'm sick of trying to save and struggle while I pay for other people's kids.
Opinions!!!
In Germany when people have their first kid, they are sent to a family planning lecture on the cost of children,etc. Here they are sent to the social welfare! I'm sick of trying to save and struggle while I pay for other people's kids.
Opinions!!!
then dont pay for it , quit your job and go on the dole yourself. other than that your last option is to leave the country !!! the state is paying for theses people not you personally .... id much prefere my taxs go to ordinary folk than into some politicians pocket , which has happened plenty in the past !!!!
I'll give an example of the people who I mean to direct this post at and apoligise if some people felt I was directing it at them.
When we were in the middle of the boom, our economy had to bring in 100000-150000 immigrants every year to keep job vacancies filled. There was still 200000 people on the dole. I understand that some of these people will be people "between jobs", etc but quite a few were just scroungers. And social welfare was rising during the boom. What sort of policy was that?
When we were in the middle of the boom, our economy had to bring in 100000-150000 immigrants every year to keep job vacancies filled. There was still 200000 people on the dole. I understand that some of these people will be people "between jobs", etc but quite a few were just scroungers. And social welfare was rising during the boom. What sort of policy was that?
ellimere: then dont pay for it , quit your job and go on the dole yourself. other than that your last option is to leave the country !!! the state is paying for theses people not you personally .... id much prefere my taxs go to ordinary folk than into some politicians pocket , which has happened plenty in the past !!!!
How do you think the State is paying for these people? With made up money! No with taxes! So I am personally paying for them! The State is just an agent which I would prefer it wasn't!
mr1983: I think this is a relevant question but some people may find it offensive. Why should my taxes go to pay for someone else's kids? If I ever decide to have kids, I'll plan for them and even then it will be a big sacrifice. But why is it that people expect the taxpayer to stump up money for free buggies and houses, free uniforms,etc for their kids. I understand the need for a social safety net in society but this country is crazy. Soon I'll be paying for their water charges along with my own also.
In Germany when people have their first kid, they are sent to a family planning lecture on the cost of children,etc. Here they are sent to the social welfare! I'm sick of trying to save and struggle while I pay for other people's kids.
Opinions!!!
In Germany when people have their first kid, they are sent to a family planning lecture on the cost of children,etc. Here they are sent to the social welfare! I'm sick of trying to save and struggle while I pay for other people's kids.
Opinions!!!
Ahem, never heard of that one!!!
mr1983: How do you think the State is paying for these people? With made up money! No with taxes! So I am personally paying for them! The State is just an agent which I would prefer it wasn't!
everybody contributes , its not just you like !!! why bother griping bout it anyway , its not like its going to change !!!
mr1983: I do understand the need for safety nets in society. But the idea that people have a right to these things is crazy. They have kids, draw the dole, children's allowance, CWO, etc. I would completely agree with Joan Burton's idea of taking money from the father's salaries if they are working. The parents of the children should be forced to take up training courses if they have little or no education. Proper training courses that will lead to good qualifications. I understand that during a recession this may seem futile without jobs at the end of it but it will benefit them for the future.
I haven't really thought out alternatives, to be honest. Just sick of paying and slaving for other peoples kids.
I haven't really thought out alternatives, to be honest. Just sick of paying and slaving for other peoples kids.
say for example....down the road you have kids and through absolutely no fault of your own, you lose your job and there are no prospects for the immediate future for you being able to get another one.......are you saying that should this unfortunate event arise.....that you will never claim social welfare payments? that you will only claim for you as an adult and not the €29.50 extra a week you get for extra child???
That should you be in rented accommodation, that you will not claim rent supplement for be able to maintain a house over your childrens heads??? You are saying that you will cut your nose off to spite your face......yet it wouldnt be your face.....you would be so adamant that noone but you should provide for your children....that you would rather they go hungry or cold than 'burden' people like you were when you were working?
As for the whole training thing....I am fed up with going to my local employment service officer to be told that there are no courses suitable for me in my region. There is a distinct lack of training available at present unless I wanted to completely retrain and be a welder or a fitter.
Look at it this way.....if you are unhappy with it....dont post on forums....get out a do something about making the government have suitable training prospects available.
A few years ago the were 3 or 4 pages of training courses available through fas on their website back when unemployment was at its lowest....now its at the height it is and there is next to no courses available.
mr1983: I think this is a relevant question but some people may find it offensive. Why should my taxes go to pay for someone else's kids? If I ever decide to have kids, I'll plan for them and even then it will be a big sacrifice. But why is it that people expect the taxpayer to stump up money for free buggies and houses, free uniforms,etc for their kids. I understand the need for a social safety net in society but this country is crazy. Soon I'll be paying for their water charges along with my own also.
In Germany when people have their first kid, they are sent to a family planning lecture on the cost of children,etc. Here they are sent to the social welfare! I'm sick of trying to save and struggle while I pay for other people's kids.
Opinions!!!
In Germany when people have their first kid, they are sent to a family planning lecture on the cost of children,etc. Here they are sent to the social welfare! I'm sick of trying to save and struggle while I pay for other people's kids.
Opinions!!!
You could say the same about sick people?? Why should you pay your taxes that go to their care? Or services for old people? Or disabled people? Why pay for the police when you have never been robbed or needed them? Why pay for people going to college? Your taxes are used for plenty of things you may never need or use. Should that stop?????
So in your opinion we should punish the kids of unemployed people THUS CREATING AN EVEN BIGGER POVERTY TRAP and creating a bigger divide between the haves and have nots.
You should be sick of taxes being used to pay the debts of an insolvent private bank not educating kids and keeping children out of poverty!
sofarsogood74: You could say the same about sick people?? Why should you pay your taxes that go to their care? Or services for old people? Or disabled people? Why pay for the police when you have never been robbed or needed them? Why pay for people going to college? Your taxes are used for plenty of things you may never need or use. Should that stop?????
So in your opinion we should punish the kids of unemployed people THUS CREATING AN EVEN BIGGER POVERTY TRAP and creating a bigger divide between the haves and have nots.
You should be sick of taxes being used to pay the debts of an insolvent private bank not educating kids and keeping children out of poverty!
So in your opinion we should punish the kids of unemployed people THUS CREATING AN EVEN BIGGER POVERTY TRAP and creating a bigger divide between the haves and have nots.
You should be sick of taxes being used to pay the debts of an insolvent private bank not educating kids and keeping children out of poverty!
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the sickening part of the this is the kids bit..
the way to fix it is to teach a bit of dignity and self worth to the young of certain scroungers..not punish them and limit their education availability.
then further down the road they are full contributors to our society..financially and culturally.
the most disdain thats shown the more tribalism and sticking to their own ways and nothing changes..we just get generations of the same mindset.
the way to fix it is to teach a bit of dignity and self worth to the young of certain scroungers..not punish them and limit their education availability.
then further down the road they are full contributors to our society..financially and culturally.
the most disdain thats shown the more tribalism and sticking to their own ways and nothing changes..we just get generations of the same mindset.
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In Germany when people have their first kid, they are sent to a family planning lecture on the cost of children,etc. Here they are sent to the social welfare! I'm sick of trying to save and struggle while I pay for other people's kids.
Opinions!!!