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Nov 18, 2012 4:29 PM CST The leader of the free world
Foxxie
FoxxieFoxxieBrisbane, Queensland Australia40 Threads 7 Polls 276 Posts
Albertaghost: I do believe he did.

""We promote democracy around the world whenever possible. How many other countries are doing the same? So many countries rely on the U.S. to go to bat for them, and as a result the U.S. is often referred to as "the policeman of the world."""

So tell us of all the other countries that do this please.


What a load of tosh that question is. There are plenty of democracies who take part in military actions when needed. The most recent was not backed by the UN along with more than half the American people and yet for that you think that your "the policeman of the world"? What nonsense. This is why so many people are put off by the States. Because of this rediculous belief that so many of you have that you have some right to ENFORCE your views, even upon your allies. Hillary Clinton is a classic example. She uses terms like "we demand", "we expect nothing less" and "or we will act" when speaking about her allies.

As for your question, read a bloody history book on military actions for the last half century and see how many other allied nations were involved and then do some study on international dialogue to see how many other nations also encourage nations to change their systems of government for the better.

Ah - but then again you probably only watch American "world news" which after all is only about America and fails to even mention the rest of the world.

Lastly leadership is about authority. This is the point I am making. The president has authority within the borders of the united states. His authority within the borders of another nation is non-existent.
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Nov 18, 2012 4:35 PM CST The leader of the free world
Foxxie
FoxxieFoxxieBrisbane, Queensland Australia40 Threads 7 Polls 276 Posts
Conrad73: Move there and enjoy!


Shame you don't have a good UHC system. As a right wing voter I support UHC as any people who have lived with it do. You simply cannot let people just starve or die from disease because they have no wealth, many times with no fault of their own.

So many arguments against UHC are along the lines of 'if they were not so lazy they would have some money for health care or private insurance'. Well life is not so black and white.

What matters with regard to UHC is operating a fair system that does not penalise the wealthy or leave the poor out in the cold. Then private simply becomes an option for those who want to have 'optional extras' and the right to jump the que by having treatment in private hospitals.

I don't know much about Obamacare, but I doubt it would be a good system since your Republicans seem to be too far right wing, much like your democrats seem to be too far left wing. Shame you don't have a good centrist party with a good percentage of the vote to act as a balance on the extremist factions of both your major parties.
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Nov 18, 2012 4:44 PM CST The leader of the free world
Foxxie: Shame you don't have a good UHC system. As a right wing voter I support UHC as any people who have lived with it do. You simply cannot let people just starve or die from disease because they have no wealth, many times with no fault of their own.

So many arguments against UHC are along the lines of 'if they were not so lazy they would have some money for health care or private insurance'. Well life is not so black and white.

What matters with regard to UHC is operating a fair system that does not penalise the wealthy or leave the poor out in the cold. Then private simply becomes an option for those who want to have 'optional extras' and the right to jump the que by having treatment in private hospitals.

I don't know much about Obamacare, but I doubt it would be a good system since your Republicans seem to be too far right wing, much like your democrats seem to be too far left wing. Shame you don't have a good centrist party with a good percentage of the vote to act as a balance on the extremist factions of both your major parties.
why should I worry?
I have the best Healthcare System in the World!applause dancing yay head banger
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Nov 18, 2012 4:46 PM CST The leader of the free world
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Foxxie: What a load of tosh that question is. There are plenty of democracies who take part in military actions when needed. The most recent was not backed by the UN along with more than half the American people and yet for that you think that your "the policeman of the world"? What nonsense.


doh Security Council Resolution 1973 formed the legal basis for military intervention in the Libyan civil war, demanding "an immediate ceasefire" and authorizing the international community to establish a no-fly zone and to use all means necessary short of foreign occupation to protect civilians.

Foxxie: This is why so many people are put off by the States. Because of this rediculous belief that so many of you have that you have some right to ENFORCE your views, even upon your allies. Hillary Clinton is a classic example. She uses terms like "we demand", "we expect nothing less" and "or we will act" when speaking about her allies.


Context please.

Foxxie: As for your question, read a bloody history book on military actions for the last half century and see how many other allied nations were involved and then do some study on international dialogue to see how many other nations also encourage nations to change their systems of government for the better.


Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran Ira war, the Arab wars on Israel. Sorry, not getting your point, what changes of government?

Foxxie: Ah - but then again you probably only watch American "world news" which after all is only about America and fails to even mention the rest of the world.


Actually I don't. Most of what I get is from intelligence sites, Middle Eastern and Asian publications. And you?

Foxxie: Lastly leadership is about authority. This is the point I am making. The president has authority within the borders of the united states. His authority within the borders of another nation is non-existent.


Leadership is described as “a process of social influence in which one person can enlist the aid and support the others in the accomplishment of a common task"



Your perception of what leadership is or is not is tailor made to fit your comic book argument.
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Nov 18, 2012 4:46 PM CST The leader of the free world
Foxxie: What a load of tosh that question is. There are plenty of democracies who take part in military actions when needed. The most recent was not backed by the UN along with more than half the American people and yet for that you think that your "the policeman of the world"? What nonsense. This is why so many people are put off by the States. Because of this rediculous belief that so many of you have that you have some right to ENFORCE your views, even upon your allies. Hillary Clinton is a classic example. She uses terms like "we demand", "we expect nothing less" and "or we will act" when speaking about her allies.

As for your question, read a bloody history book on military actions for the last half century and see how many other allied nations were involved and then do some study on international dialogue to see how many other nations also encourage nations to change their systems of government for the better.

Ah - but then again you probably only watch American "world news" which after all is only about America and fails to even mention the rest of the world.

Lastly leadership is about authority. This is the point I am making. The president has authority within the borders of the united states. His authority within the borders of another nation is non-existent.
quite a Chip!rolling on the floor laughing
Now please give me back my Nationality!rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 18, 2012 4:49 PM CST The leader of the free world
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Foxxie: Shame you don't have a good UHC system. As a right wing voter I support UHC as any people who have lived with it do. You simply cannot let people just starve or die from disease because they have no wealth, many times with no fault of their own.


They don't. They walk into a hospital and get taken care of. It's the cost that people are against. If they have money or assets, they are forced to pay by selling or going into debt. If they have none then they just got free health care.

Foxxie: So many arguments against UHC are along the lines of 'if they were not so lazy they would have some money for health care or private insurance'. Well life is not so black and white.


Source this comment please. Where did you read this and can you please post this link so that I may see it in context.
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Nov 18, 2012 5:03 PM CST The leader of the free world
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
DjWabbet: Yeah.... the leader of the world is Me... y'all just dont know it yet....


OK, Mr. Leader... please send me a free cell phone and a couple year's worth of food stamps and rent.... send to "getting rich on other peoples money", p.o. box 16 trillion plus four,
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Nov 18, 2012 5:08 PM CST The leader of the free world
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
Ah yes. The Ugly American thing. I hear they don't travel very well, short shelf life and all that. There will always be those who need to separate themselves from true unity and make a big deal about themselves. I really don't get it but I know it's true.

From one American, I'm sorry world we all have our bad apples...
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Nov 18, 2012 5:49 PM CST The leader of the free world
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
In response to: Is not the president of the United States.

Sorry to break it to you.

Please stop referring to him/her in that manner in American media and especially don't use terms like "the president will today assume leadership of the free world" as it is really silly to presume leadership when it does not exist.

Have a nice day and may your choice of candidate win. (that statement is probably a bit silly too as it is unlikely that you will all vote for the same person).
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Nov 18, 2012 6:00 PM CST The leader of the free world
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Foxxie: Is not the president of the United States.

Sorry to break it to you.

Please stop referring to him/her in that manner in American media and especially don't use terms like "the president will today assume leadership of the free world" as it is really silly to presume leadership when it does not exist.

Have a nice day and may your choice of candidate win. (that statement is probably a bit silly too as it is unlikely that you will all vote for the same person).


Btw. Where is the "Free World"? dunno
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Nov 18, 2012 6:21 PM CST The leader of the free world
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Oops the post above was a total accident.

I was editing the quote function and somehow I hit the button by mistake. Sorry



what I meant to say was that the President of the US isn't even the leader of the US.
He's just the guy they chose to sit on the fool's throne.

He'll get the fame.
Then he'll get the blame.
Then he'll get the flame.
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Nov 18, 2012 6:23 PM CST The leader of the free world
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
galrads: Btw. Where is the "Free World"?


It's within you.....somewhere.
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Nov 18, 2012 9:16 PM CST The leader of the free world
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
RayfromUSA: It's within you.....somewhere.
Yeah, well there's no external leader for that! wave
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Nov 18, 2012 10:19 PM CST The leader of the free world
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Someone can only be a leader only if they're elected.
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Nov 21, 2012 7:28 PM CST The leader of the free world
raphael111
raphael111raphael111washington d.c., Virginia USA3 Threads 173 Posts
Foxxie: Nonsense. A leader is someone with the authority to lead. The President has no such authority outside the United States. Most important city? Most important country? You sound like you are the most up yourself person!


You're having a conniption (rather frequent huh?rolling on the floor laughing) over semantics. In terms of antiquities Greece and Turkey blow us away, etc. etc. Money and nukes thumbs down sadly play a role.
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Nov 22, 2012 10:23 PM CST The leader of the free world
raphael111
raphael111raphael111washington d.c., Virginia USA3 Threads 173 Posts
Foxxie: Shame you don't have a good UHC system. As a right wing voter I support UHC as any people who have lived with it do. You simply cannot let people just starve or die from disease because they have no wealth, many times with no fault of their own.

So many arguments against UHC are along the lines of 'if they were not so lazy they would have some money for health care or private insurance'. Well life is not so black and white.

What matters with regard to UHC is operating a fair system that does not penalise the wealthy or leave the poor out in the cold. Then private simply becomes an option for those who want to have 'optional extras' and the right to jump the que by having treatment in private hospitals.

I don't know much about Obamacare, but I doubt it would be a good system since your Republicans seem to be too far right wing, much like your democrats seem to be too far left wing. Shame you don't have a good centrist party with a good percentage of the vote to act as a balance on the extremist factions of both your major parties.


we pay through the nose for third world healthcare - protected health insurance monopolies requiring incredible volumes of paper work, hospitals, lawyers and doctors passing on their out of control costs on a gullible middle class. Romney knows most middle class republicans are fools.
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Nov 25, 2012 5:27 AM CST The leader of the free world
CHOLENA
CHOLENACHOLENAStrasbourg, Grand Est France6 Threads 242 Posts
Foxxie: Is not the president of the United States.

Sorry to break it to you.

Please stop referring to him/her in that manner in American media and especially don't use terms like "the president will today assume leadership of the free world" as it is really silly to presume leadership when it does not exist.

Have a nice day and may your choice of candidate win. (that statement is probably a bit silly too as it is unlikely that you will all vote for the same person).
He may not be the leader of the free world, but, essentially, he as the most power of any leader in the world, whether you want to accept that or not, 'tis true.

For example, how many people around the world know who the prime minister of Australia is and are affected by her decisions? Most people around the world know who the US president is and know that they are often affected by his decisions and actions. Leader? No. Most powerful and influential? Yes.
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